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post Sep 7 2018, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(dannyw @ Sep 7 2018, 08:06 AM)
Wow.. so next time I can drag longer to change.. maybe 40~50K....  biggrin.gif
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Time to time just check ur coolant reserve tank level and also open the radiator cap to see if there is any brownish sediments.. Then u will know if a leak is coming out somewhere.

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post Sep 12 2018, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Asus @ Sep 10 2018, 07:39 AM)
@ZenGTMM i already purchased the castrol oil from owl station during lazada 9.9 sales..bought the liqui moly engine flush as well..

normally how much do shop charge to change the engine oil only without doing other stuff..
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Oil only biasa cost RM15-20.. Worst also RM25.
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post Sep 16 2018, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(wklow28 @ Sep 14 2018, 04:54 PM)
Power Steering fluid below the Max level a bit, anything need to do?
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Shd be ok.. As long as above min.. But u can always top it off if u want for peace of mind.

QUOTE(tallrice @ Sep 16 2018, 09:42 AM)
wow... great deals u get there...
but how u know that tbe part is suitable for persona?
by refer to manual first?
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they will normally mention if the part is suitable for persona in the description. All the parts i bought did mention its suitable.
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post Sep 16 2018, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(tallrice @ Sep 16 2018, 04:51 PM)
oh! thanks... it helps me in the future...
btw, can help to snap the pic of lower arm?
i hv tried to search google but plenty of pics coming out
control arm, lower arm different pic use the same name
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Front lower arm
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.ynw

Rear lower arm, there are 2 types, long and short.. Or they call it tulang anjing.
Short
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.Aeb
Long
https://s.lazada.com.my/s.AeU
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post Sep 29 2018, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(ex24dec02 @ Sep 16 2018, 07:28 PM)
Normally how many mileage need to replace these tulang anjing?
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When u get on the car or driving the car over bumpy road it nyek nyek nyek at the back biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Asus @ Sep 16 2018, 08:01 PM)
how is the monroe shocks?

my oil bought from lazada owl station has not been delivered yet since the 9.9 sales  bangwall.gif
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Monroe feels very good.. the front has just the right amount of damping and rebound, the back suspension feels a bit softer than i would like though.

QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 18 2018, 05:12 PM)
my power window giving rattling sound when operating up or down. it sound like something lose. what could be the problem?part need to be changed?
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Sounds like ur motor going to give up soon. Mine also had that symptoms before it gave up.
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post Sep 29 2018, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Asus @ Sep 23 2018, 02:37 PM)
so i decided to change the compressor..cost me 700 for original sanden excluding workmanship..the foremen didnt ask to change filter and valve..is it ok not to change it?

i also decided to try the liquimoly engine flusher and change my eo to the castrol 15w40 bought from owlstation @ lazada..my car nows feel very heavy and no pickup..engine sound terrible when accelerating..

is it due to change of compressor or the engine oil?? pls help me..the workshop is close today so cant go there and complaint..

edit: i tried driving again..can it be the compressor because when i off my aircond the power is normal..but when the aircond is on, the car feels like underpower..
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700 is the normal price, but better to change the filter and valve together la..

try to check in a different shop if they overfilled your compressor. Sometimes that happens, they put it too much gas and it feels too heavy and kicks in and out very fast.

QUOTE(delsoo @ Sep 29 2018, 03:52 PM)
Guys , I have been told by the mechanics my rear weheel bearing need to be replaced. I was quoted RM100 ++ for a normal bearing , RM200++ for better quality one... Why the bearing so expensive ? Just curious ... My rear is equipped with disc brakes with ABS. I'm wondering the abs and non abs version bearing are different ? My car clocked 50k KM in 3 years time . Why the car so many problem ? haha
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Im using NTN rear bearings, around RM95 a side for non ABS persona. For ABS maybe a bit more expensive, but not till RM200 level expensive. Its a very good OEM one.
Yes there are different ones for ABS and non ABS persona. Non ABS persona uses drum at the back, ABS uses disc. So the bearing design is totally different.


QUOTE(delsoo @ Sep 29 2018, 07:55 PM)
May i know kyb or apm provide absorber for Proton to fix on the car when it's new ? Plan to replace it , but not sure which manufacturer provide the stock absober to proton . I hope to keep the car in it's original state...
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APM slightly stiffer than stock, KYB feel like stock.
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post Sep 29 2018, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Sep 29 2018, 09:20 PM)
The ABS version of persona can use non ABS version bearing ?  hmm.gif
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Nope.. design totally different. ABS version have ABS gear on it. like one extra ring of gigi.

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/proton-p...8&utm_campaign=[SSA-120000000000-00000-00000-0]:%20All%20Motors&utm_term=[SSA-120100000000-00000-00000-0]:%20All%20Automotive_xxmo0000000at1201_c_aud-301034914304:pla-368366110696&adjust_tracker=t2v78t_5n20iw&adjust_campaign=1415045955&adjust_adgroup=55351287573_c_aud-301034914304:pla-368366110696&adjust_creative=368366110696_201920588_118286978&tracker_limit=1000000&ef_id=WzOaBgAAA8O_lcFc:20180929140335:s

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post Sep 30 2018, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Sep 30 2018, 12:58 AM)
Is the Monroe rear softer than stock?
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Its been a while since i used stock suspension.. So i cant really remember.. But it does feel softer than stock. Or i have been running hard adjustables for too long to even remember how stock feels like .
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post Jan 11 2019, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(neochaser5 @ Jan 11 2019, 03:57 PM)
was supposed to be my last post but here i go..
Thanks bro. She is fine. Some motorcycle cut to her lane so she avoided it but she lost control and went through the middle divider. Miraculously she only suffered minor arm bruises but the car was on it's side when she gained consciousness. She also hit the signage with smashed to the windscreen. luckily it was tinted to it didn't shatter.
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Lucky she is Allright bro. Good luck for the future.
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post Jan 25 2019, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(sepah98 @ Jan 16 2019, 10:11 PM)
Hi there.. Driving Persona Elegance H-Line.. i silent read this thread long time ady.. just asking.. what's the best bang for bucks mod can be done on Automatic Persona?? Lots of my friend is NA so they can throw some high profile cam and so on.. any suggestions for mods?? I read some old thread said can jailbreak those 32bit ecu
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Performance drop-in air filter, Lightened crank pulley, lightened cam pulley, 4-2-1 Extractor and full exhaust, Denso Iridium Spark plugs.. can increase around 12whp easily.

QUOTE(akatsukea @ Jan 25 2019, 03:01 PM)
Hi, anyone has use this oil? Why on the OP don't recommend it for persona? My ride is persona se 2009

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I used before.. somehow engine feels heavy after 4-5k km eventhough its a fully synthetic oil. never had the same issue with Castrol Edge Professional, Liqui Moly, Mobil 1. So i tend to avoid Shell brands.. Most of the original owners in the early days when PE just came out concur with the feel of it too.

BTW RM95 is dirt cheap, u can use this engine oil and change it earlier too, not necessary to wait till 10k km.

Changing engine oil frequently is actually the best way to clean your engine internals. Even more better than using Engine flush and all kind of stuffs. I change Semi oil every 5k km and Fully Sync every 7k km.

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post Jan 27 2019, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Jan 27 2019, 11:45 AM)
walao, ppl here using cap kerang for 17k km, you changed at 1/4 of its life!
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4192241
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Lol biggrin.gif I get my engine oil very cheap.. And my car is at 200k mileage now.
I bulk buy a dozen Bosch Oil filters for RM68.50 from lazada last time. On top of that I get my engine oil from paulhew in Shoppee. He sells Castrol Edge quite cheap, with coupons and free shipping it only cost RM110+ a bottle.

I only drive like 16-20k km a year on average now and per day driving time will be around 2-2.5 hours due to traffic jam. I noticed that my engine torque and acceleration affected a lot after I started getting stucked in traffic jam. Previously i was working in Cyberjaya and to travel from Bukit Jalil to Cyber is by highway and rarely have jam. Hence this is why i started changing engine oil before due time (you are supposed to change engine oil every 6 mths anyway) and my engine power sort of restored a lot.

To be honest there are a lot more to engine oil than just the dirt level from an engine oil blot. Engine oil contains friction modifier, detergent, viscosity modifier etc etc which wears out over time from heat and usage. A clear engine oil doesnt show the amount of wear and tear to your engine internals. I used to extend my engine oil service life quite frequently last time when I was a student. my Semi Syn oil would last for 12k km, Fully Syn stretch to 15k km. But the darkness of the oil at each service change scares me. tongue.gif

My rule of thumb is, if u feel a major difference in performance after every engine oil service change, you should bring forward your oil change. The extra drag in your engine waste fuel anyways and will just offset the savings you had extending your oil change duration.

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post Jan 28 2019, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(wklow28 @ Jan 28 2019, 12:36 AM)
Good explanation.  rclxms.gif

I usually use Mobil 1, but after 9k plus change it still not that dark.
Sometimes just felt that a bit wasted;
But after thinking it seriously, for the cleaner engine and performance this is nothing~ whistling.gif
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Come to think of it, the latest Volvo S90 and XC90 has a 25k km service interval. blink.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Jan 28 2019, 01:01 AM)
fuyo veteran suddenly muncul wave.gif
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Winter is coming bro.. devil.gif
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post May 4 2019, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ May 3 2019, 07:57 PM)
Paulhew can be trusted ? I'm thinking of getting mobil 1 20w50, but abit suspicious, the price of oil is dirt cheap, only rm40++ compared official mobil malaysia price of rm80 rclxub.gif  sweat.gif
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Yes i bought like 3 times from him. 1x magnatec and 2x edge professional. All the time it was genuine. I got the magnatec for only 78++ and edge for 125 using some discount vouchers etc.
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post May 4 2019, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Apr 18 2019, 08:25 PM)
Today my persona wouldnt start, no cranking sound at all. eventually the foreman just took out the battery and reconnect it. According to him , either ECU gt problem or the chipset in the key is faulty . Just curious, the ECU will 'kong' so easily ?
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Sounds more like the immobiliser module 'hang'.

QUOTE(Asus @ Apr 19 2019, 08:12 AM)
hi guys i got an aircond problem..

when i park outside and its really hot, my aircond will not be cold at all..it takes about an hour then only can cool down..
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When did u last service your aircon compressor? Sometimes it can be compressor issue, but yours sound more like the condenser is very very dirty.

QUOTE(delsoo @ Apr 19 2019, 05:16 PM)
This is a secondhand car, when I gt the car, the key ady gt problem. Sometimes, when I press the button hard. I still cannot open the door. Before the car was unable to start, I didn't drop the key. Maybe I placed it in my tight pocket that caused the problem?
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change your battery, it uses 2x CR2016. Then when u opened ur key, try using it without the housing, see if it can unlock/lock easily. if it does, then its the rubber worn out.

QUOTE(dragonteoh @ Apr 21 2019, 09:52 PM)
Hi guys,

anybody know this rubber hose name ?

is it call Air Intake Hose ?

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mine unit got one part was starting crack (the area which connect another hose to engine, that L shape area start got cracking line on the base rubber)

How much will it cost for ori part ?
(for the moment i use heat glue gun to glue that area)

Thanks.
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Use duct tape. Cheap and easy.

QUOTE(bismaximus @ Apr 21 2019, 11:24 PM)
Anyone with an owners manual....what does 4 blinks (red LED) mean?
Also lately my car also hard to start at times 1 click and nothing, seems to be a contact issue with the battery (I realized my battery bracket missing, where to get one eh?)..or can it be starter?..usually after couple of times will start or if I wiggle the battery it will work.
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4 light if not mistaken is boot not closed properly. 2 fast blinks is bonnet not closed properly.
If u wiggle the battery and it works, maybe ur battery contact point issue. easiest way is to pour hot water on the contact points and scrub the contacts with a toilet brush (the black ones)
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post May 4 2019, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(persona93 @ Apr 22 2019, 04:55 PM)
hi guys, long post below, but I really wanna salvage my first car


tldr below

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i'll update with receipts on the services done on my car later when i'm home

i'm sorry if my timeline sucks guys, please help me out in salvaging my first car

TY all for your time

really appreciate it

i will answer any queries as best as i can

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QUOTE(persona93 @ May 3 2019, 10:04 PM)
Old Klang Road
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Yeah come out for yum cha on a weekend with us.

QUOTE(The_FQ400 @ May 3 2019, 11:37 PM)
eh.. very near to me.. maybe can go see ur PE some day  laugh.gif
oh.. will do that next time if i face the same issue  laugh.gif
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Haha so how? wanna meet up in Sunway? Can see whats happening to persona93's car and also i got a good workshop to recommend there for any repairs. They do good work and reasonably cheap labour cost too.
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post May 5 2019, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(inferno_17_85 @ Apr 13 2019, 11:06 AM)
Persona AT got such updates?
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lol persona AT is from late 1980s mitsubishi models. i dont think need anymore update.

QUOTE(delsoo @ May 4 2019, 09:07 AM)
What caused the immbolizer module to hang ? Is there any effective way to prevent this to happen again ?  hmm.gif I have replaced the battery half years ago.
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I also dunno. Electronics + heat = half ded.

QUOTE(persona93 @ May 4 2019, 07:41 PM)
can can, but i shy2 one

where you guys normally minum one?

>< not too late, maybe before 7 itu macam

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before 7? lulz.. I vampire leh..
i dont think now got anyone still going out yumcha in this group except me, xandras, zapdos, raimy.

QUOTE(persona93 @ May 5 2019, 09:03 AM)
Wait Zen reply I guess

On a side note, full AC service roughly how much and what do I need to keep an eye on?
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600-800 for full aircon service, including cleaning the coils and airway ducts.
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post May 6 2019, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(Asus @ May 6 2019, 07:35 AM)
which shop can u recommend for full aircon service?
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Dont really have one in mind as I have never serviced my aircon before. But there is one nearby my house that my friends goes to and its quite good. But its in Taman Puncak Jalil


QUOTE(iskazulka @ May 6 2019, 03:48 PM)
change but not do preventive maintenance, deswai so lousy.
every year need to do normal service service. (change compressor oil, gas, receiver drier, expansion valve)
within every 3-4 years, need to do major service. (open dashboard, inspect / wash cooling coil, condenser, etc.)

change all the aircond parts systems and hope to last long, that is not a good mindset.
doing a preventive maintenance on your aircond systems juts like you do engne oil change, really do keep it last longer.

when car is even new, after  a year use also need to do service, that is most new car owners neglect.
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every year seems abit extreme right? tongue.gif I think every 3 years seems more appropriate.

Btw my car is 8.5 years old and never had an aircon service before and its still cold. brows.gif brows.gif
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post May 7 2019, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(Asus @ May 7 2019, 12:52 PM)
great, i stayed in puncak jalil as well..can ask him where is the shop..thanks
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Jalan PUJ 3/2, TK Aircon Service. Nearby the clinic Qualitas, right beside Panasonic car battery.
I just passed by there but there is a property agent banner hanging on its shop. Maybe sudah bankrupt.
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post May 15 2019, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(wklow28 @ May 14 2019, 05:01 PM)
4 Litres of engine oil becomes 1 litre plus left over only... cry.gif
5W-30 full synthetic oil really can't use in our hot country here?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(wklow28 @ May 15 2019, 09:42 AM)
I even use 0W before, all seems okay.
Until recently.  doh.gif
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OK let me set this engine oil debacle straight once and for all. It has cropped up too many times.


Engine oil u buy in Malaysia are called multigrade oil. such as 0W-30, 5W-40, 15W-50 etc. Multi grade means the viscosity of the engine oil changes according to temperature.
The 'W' in the front part of the oil specs means WINTER grade. It is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT[SIZE=7] in malaysia as our ambient temp never go lower than 25Celcius.
Why not sell single grade oil in Malaysia then? Well its because economic of scale blah blah blah..

Multigrade oil flows EASIER in lower temps and gets more vicious/slower flow rate or in layman term 'THICKER' when engine reaches optimal operating temp.
The 30/40/50 is the thickness of the engine oil during operating temp. When engine are designed, the moving parts have a certain need for tolerance. The oil is then there to fill in the gap in the moving parts to lubricate it.
Older gen/high powered/high cylinder count engines GENERALLY requires higher viscosity oil. Campro are designed for a minimum 40 grade oil, but recommended in owners booklet is 50 grade.
Running lower viscosity oil makes the engine feels lighter because of thinner oil film between moving parts hence lower resistance, BUT downside is accelerated engine wear and tear. The moving parts wear down more often and end up the tolerance or the gap between moving parts increases and the thin oil film wont be able to provide a good layer of protection.

A THINNER OIL FILM also means the amount of oil is lesser, hence lower amount of heat generated from the friction is able to transfer away from the moving parts into the engine oil. Hence the common misconception that thinner oil doesnt work in hot weather. Bezza, Axia, Civic 1.5 turbo are common examples of engine able to run 0W-20, 5W-20 engine oil without fail in Malaysia BECAUSE the engine was designed for it.

Engine oil consumption issue is either due to engine oil leaking out from the seals and/or piston walls. So if u dont see oil drips on ur block or floor when the car is stationary, then the engine oil u are using is too 'THIN' for your car which has a high mileage and u need to move up to 40 grade oil. If it continues to consume oil even at 40, move up to 50 grade. If it still makan oil, then gg liao go for engine rebuild.

FYI my car is more than 200k mileage yet im able to use 0W-40 Fully syn oil for my engine. There is no such thing as old cars cant use Fully Syn oil, its just the grade that matters. A fully syn is always superior than Semi syn at the same grade. Is there a difference between 0W40 and 5W40 and 10W40? Yes there is, it affects the Viscosity change Index of the oil. There are slight difference between these oils eventhough its 40 grade oil. But its just too advance if ur car is stock and just meant for daily use.

To recommend a brand, I highly suggest using Castrol. Their oils are one of the best in the market. I use Castrol Edge Professional 0W-40.
If u feel ur engine has a bit gunk build up and want to clean it up, use mineral oil like Castrol GTX and change it around 60% of its lifespan (3000km) or use semi syn and change every 5k km. It is more effective than using engine flush which tends to be more expensive and u are able to maintain engine at optimum performance.

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post May 15 2019, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ May 15 2019, 09:05 PM)
I am havig difficulties of starting my car sometimes. I need to crank 3 to 4 times before the car can start.. Sometimes the car can start at first crank. What's the problem ya ? I dont think it's battery issue btw. Could it be starter problem ? What's the cost to repair and replace ya ?
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Crank angle sensor getting faulty, or your spark plugs is quite old, or your coil plugs is faulty, or could be just your fuel pump getting weak.

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