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thomasthai
post Feb 27 2019, 05:28 PM

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The key to understand Timothy is this is a pastoral epistle.

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But flee from these things, you man of God, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, perseverance and gentleness.
1 Timothy 6:11 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1ti.6.11.NASB


The term 'man of God' is a technical term reserved for prophets in the OT (used 70 times to refer to prophets) and only once in the NT for Timothy.

All these are requirements for the preacher of God's word in the NT economy.
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post Mar 1 2019, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Feb 28 2019, 07:14 PM)
Or *wink* all these presupposes there is a role called the pastor smile.gif

What if, all the believers should shepherd each other mutually. After all, elder denotes the person, and overseer denotes the function.

And that sister should not define the truth with authority but be under the covering of the brothers.
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That is of course is true, but there are gifted men who are especially gifted in the word and preaching.

Not every man that preaches can keep the congregation from falling asleep laugh.gif
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post Mar 1 2019, 09:03 AM

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Just want to add, the pattern of expository preaching actually came from the OT,

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And all the people gathered as one man at the square which was in front of the Water Gate, and they asked Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses which the Lord had given to Israel. Then Ezra the priest brought the law before the assembly of men, women and all who could listen with understanding, on the first day of the seventh month. He read from it before the square which was in front of the Water Gate from early morning until midday, in the presence of men and women, those who could understand; and all the people were attentive to the book of the law. Ezra the scribe stood at a wooden podium which they had made for the purpose. And beside him stood Mattithiah, Shema, Anaiah, Uriah, Hilkiah, and Maaseiah on his right hand; and Pedaiah, Mishael, Malchijah, Hashum, Hashbaddanah, Zechariah and Meshullam on his left hand. Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people for he was standing above all the people; and when he opened it, all the people stood up. Then Ezra blessed the Lord the great God. And all the people answered, "Amen, Amen!" while lifting up their hands; then they bowed low and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground. Also Jeshua, Bani, Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodiah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, the Levites, explained the law to the people while the people remained in their place. They read from the book, from the law of God, translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.
Nehemiah 8:1‭-‬8 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/neh.8.1-8.NASB


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post Mar 4 2019, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Mar 3 2019, 10:23 PM)
Question to all my Christian brethren who are NOT Catholic specifically, regarding baptism.

Do you believe that the Baptism of Water 💦 and the Baptism of Fire 🔥 is actually the same ?

Or do you believe that both the Baptism of Water 💦 & Fire 🔥 are different and that they are mutually exclusive ?

Or do you have a completely different answer from the above 2 answers ?

Thank you very very much.
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Fire is always associated with judgement.

Contrary to what most people believe, the context of fire in Matthew 3 refers to judgement.

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"As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Matthew 3:11‭-‬12 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.3.11-12.NASB


Many people missed the latter part of the verse.

The believers (wheat) will be gathered, but the chaff(unbelievers )will be burned. (judgement)
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post Mar 25 2019, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Mar 22 2019, 03:15 AM)

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thomasthai

Fire is not always bad.

Cleansing & purifying/refiner's fire is good  :thumbsup:

'Destroying fire' at the end when the tares are burnt at the judgment, is bad.



Thank you & God bless!  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Well not always, but at least the context of the text in Matthew is about judgement.

Just curious, are a you a Methodist?
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post Mar 26 2019, 07:47 AM

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Just want to share something here.

A few weeks ago, a lady from Bethel School of Supernatural ministry got kicked out because she spoke out against the false teachers and false doctrines being taught there.

She is now going all out against that church.

Have a listen to her 3 hour interview here:
https://apologiastudios.com/cultish/defecti...bethel-GGO_ywKP

Please do consider what she experienced during her years in that cult.
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post Apr 6 2019, 05:50 AM

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What is the gospel? Seems like more and more Christians are getting confused about the gospel.

Even if you have been a Christian for many years, please have a look at this:
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post Apr 24 2019, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Mr. WongSF @ Apr 23 2019, 04:30 AM)
Just a Bible believing Christian  smile.gif . Maybe can be termed Evangelical Christian? Protestantism = protest, protest, protest  laugh.gif

Have never really attended Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Anglican churches, etc. Weddings maybe.

Have attended both Charismatic/Pentecostal (30+ years) & non-Charismatic (8 years) church though. 

The manifestations of the HS are still in operation today. It's the empowerment from on high for the extension of God's Kingdom.

Just go claim the '9 spiritual gifts' thomas. It's all available to you!!! cessationism is not true. 

Don't think too much. Just pull your nose out of the Bible & receive in Faith. Your walk will never be the same again!

John answered them all, "I baptize you with water, but One is coming who is more powerful than I. I am not worthy to untie the strap of His sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire." - Luke 3:16

Baptism of the HS is a separate experience. Go get some!  :thumbsup:

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Friend,

It is good that you are bible believing smile.gif

Why didn't you finish reading Luke 3:17? It is the same event and also about judgement:

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His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”
Luke 3:17 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.3.17.NKJV


To think that 'fire' here is some manifestation is an error.

To elevate 'experience' over the clear written word of God is a greater error.
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post Aug 7 2019, 10:30 AM

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There are churches who are promoting their gospel as prosperity gospel?
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post Aug 16 2019, 12:56 PM

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Christians and the Law

I just felt the need to share some understanding about the relationship between a Christian and the Law. It might be known to different people as the Old Covenant, or 10 commandments, or the books of Moses. So how do we wrap our heads around to understand the laws?

As a young Christian, I was always caught out when a non-believer asked me about the law. I wasn't properly equipped to defend my faith.

This is not a comprehensive study of all the laws and I'm not an old testament scholar of any sort, but I hope you will find this helpful in defending our faith.

I don't know how long this will go on for, but don't hesitate to ask any questions along the way.

What is the Law?
From the Jew's perspective, when they say the Law, it almost always mean the 5 books of Moses. (old testament = Tanakh : Torah, nebi'im, ketuvim, mean the laws, the prophets and the holy writings)

For the Christians, we understand the Laws differently. There are 613 laws in the 5 books of Moses, we divide them into 3 categories:

1) Moral law (the 10 commandments)
2) Civil law (the laws that dealt with Israel at that time)
3) Ceremonial law (the priesthood, blood sacrfice, feasts, festivals laws)

Introduction to the Laws
The Moral laws, or decalogue, or Old Covenant, or 10 commandments reveals the character of God and His standard of Holiness. It is meant to be eternal. Every commandment was repeated in the new testament (except for the Sabbath, more on this later)

Civil laws were derived from the 10 commandments by Moses, with instructions from God, to govern the lives of Israel at that time. Israel was under Theocracy, with God as the governor of that state. These laws were also meant to separate Israel from the pagan nations around them, making it extra hard for them to mingle together.

The ceremonial laws were set up to point people to the ultimate fulfilment in Christ. Think of the Passover, The feasts, the blood sacrifices of animals, they are all tied to the the gospel and salvation.

To be continued..

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post Aug 19 2019, 07:10 AM

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Part 2

The 10 Commandments

You will remember in Exodus 20, God called Moses up to mount Sinai to receive the 10 commandments. Therefore, these commandments are also sometimes called the Sinaitic covenant, or the Mosaic covenant.

To recap the commandments:
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The sign of the Abrahamic covenant is circumcision, and the sign of the Mosaic covenant is the Sabbath, which is the 4th commandment in the 10.

One helpful way of viewing the commandments is to see how Jesus saw the law.

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But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him  a  question, testing Him, and saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’  This is the first and great commandment.  And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’  On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 22:34‭-‬40 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.22.34-40.NKJV


Keeping this in mind and look at the 10 commandments, the first 4 laws tells us how do we love God, commandments 5 to 10 tells us how to love our neighbours. The 10 commandments is basically the expansion of what Jesus said.

The rest of the laws of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy are expansions of the 10 commandments that God gave Moses to guide the lives of the Israelites, and we call them civil/judicial laws.
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Part 3

Why the New Covenant

As Christians, we know that Jesus came to ratify the New Covenant with His blood.

I have always wondered, what is wrong with the Old Covenant? Why can't the Old Covenant save people? Why did God set up the Old in the first place? Were the Israelites saved by keeping the law? Do Christian have to keep the laws?

Let's see what Paul said about the law:

1) Does the law save?

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For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:10‭-‬14 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/gal.3.10-14.NKJV


From this passage alone, Paul says;
1) We were never meant to be justified by the Law
2) The law is a curse for people who try to keep it, because nobody can keep all the laws.
3) Mosaic law does not superseed the Abrahamic covenant of faith. Salvation has always been by believing in God and what He said (by faith)

2) if the Law does not save, what is the purpose of the law then?

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What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and  it  was  appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator does not mediate for one only,  but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to  bring  us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Galatians 3:19‭-‬25 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/gal.3.19-25.NKJV


1) The law was given because of sin. It shows us our sins, like a mirror, and a teacher, and drives us to Christ as it is the only way men can be saved. <till the Seed came> the Mosaic covenant finds it end when Christ came. God does not deal with Israel as a nation anymore.

2) Again, Paul says nobody can keep the law perfectly, or else Christ need not come to redeem men.


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“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Matthew 5:17 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.5.17.NKJV


When Jesus said He came to fulfil the law and the prophets, what did He mean?

1) Jesus fulfilled all righteousness through obeying the moral laws.

2) He came as a fulfilment of all the ceremonial laws that was pointing to Him.

3) He came to bring salvation and do away dealing with Israel as a nation, doing away the civil laws. God now deals with individuals on a personal level.

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post Aug 19 2019, 08:31 AM

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Part 4

Just want to add a footnote here.

Until here, we know that before Jesus came to bring the new covenant good news, the Israelites thought that salvation was through obeying the law of the old covenant.

We know that this is the case because all Paul's arguments when it comes to the law was built on the arguments of law and faith

When it comes to the events of Acts, the beginning of the church age, we see that the signs and wonders were given by God to confirm His new message of salvation, because no Jew would believe the gospel if there were no miraculous signs.

Therefore, I believe that the signs and wonders served a purpose in history, that was to confirm to the Jews the new covenant message, and is not for all ages and all times of the church.

Plain reading of scriptures assume that.

The doctrines that pentecostals formed regarding the miraculous gift came from the narrative book of Acts and the Corinthian book of rebuke, with the assumption that what happened in the past must happen today.
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Part 5

The Law of Sabbath

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And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it  is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord . Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is  a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
Exodus 31:12‭-‬17 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/exo.31.12-17.NKJV


God commanded them to keep the Sabbath holy, and refrain from any work.

The Sabbath is the only law that is a-moral, meaning that there's no moral implication whether they work or not on the Sabbath.

So what is the meaning of the Sabbath for Christians?

You will remember that when God finished creation in 6 days, He rested (ceased) on the 7th, and blessed it. The Sabbath has its meaning tied to creation.

When God created the earth and everything in it, He declared them good. Everything was perfect in Eden. Adam didn't have to work before he fell into sin. He could just pick any fruit in the garden to eat.

Right after he sinned, he plunged the whole creation into sin. God cursed the land because of it, and He decreed that all men will have to work and toil the ground for food. Nothing is perfect since then. Paradise was lost by Adam.

The Sabbath was instituted in the Mosaic covenant as a promise that when the Messiah comes to establish the new covenant, everyone will find rest from the works of the law in Him.

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Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Matthew 11:28‭-‬30 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.11.28-30.NKJV


The other fulfilment of the ultimate rest in Christ is that after He is done with sin, He will restore Paradise to the world.

All the passages of the prophets about desert will bloom (Isa 35), Isaiah 11, Romans 8, Revelation 22, etc points to this restoration by Christ when He comes the second time.

This is to reverse the curse of sin back in Genesis, and we can ultimately rest from all works and in Him. That is why Jesus is called the Second Adam. He came to do what Adam could not.

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post Aug 19 2019, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(TheRant @ Aug 19 2019, 11:53 AM)
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Hi mr penguin,

The rest from Jesus has a double fulfilment, a spiritual fulfilment and and creation/paradise fulfilment

Have you ever wondered what these verses mean?

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“Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord , “When the plowman shall overtake the reaper, And the treader of grapes him who sows seed; The mountains shall drip with sweet wine, And all the hills shall flow with  it.
Amos 9:13 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/amo.9.13.NKJV


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The threshing floors shall be full of wheat, And the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.
Joel 2:24 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jol.2.24.NKJV


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And it will come to pass in that day That the mountains shall drip with new wine, The hills shall flow with milk, And all the brooks of Judah shall be flooded with water; A fountain shall flow from the house of the Lord And water the Valley of Acacias.
Joel 3:18 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/jol.3.18.NKJV


When Christ comes the second time, He will restore the paradise that Adam lost. The land will be so fertile like what was predicted by the prophets.
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post Aug 19 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 19 2019, 12:57 PM)
No need to be so condescending. Why don't you just put their arguments here? 

Pride goes before a fall.
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post Sep 3 2019, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Sep 2 2019, 11:10 AM)
You can't even explain my question. I'm not asking a certain problem in Malaysia, in general there are thousands of denomination and this is a fact. Did I say Christ have many body?
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What exactly is your question again?
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post Sep 4 2019, 05:56 AM

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Sep 3 2019, 01:55 PM)
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QUOTE(azriqii @ Sep 3 2019, 02:01 PM)
Oh then the Baptist will not approve this, it's base on the scripture they practice water baptisms. Are you trying to take the scripture lightly? Are you going to say that `nah as long as you repent in your heart you no need to be baptist coz bla bla bla`, your stance sounds blury bro, and you're not the thief besides Jesus.
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I tried, but I still don't understand.

Are you saying that people from different denominations are not saved?

Are you a Christian and do you understand what is the gospel?

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post Sep 4 2019, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(azriqii @ Sep 4 2019, 10:17 AM)
Both also not correct. I'm talking about division issue la
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Ok, so you are bothered by the issue of division among Christians.

If we look at scriptures, the only issues that caused the Apostles pull their beards out are the issues about salvation/gospel and the person/deity of Christ.

Based on these 2 criterias, all other doctrines are secondary and no big issues to fight about (not even the mode of baptism)

As long as you know the gospel and believe it, you are saved and a Christian.

It is human weakness that causes division.

One day we will all see the light and become presbyterians, but until then, men will always have different opinions.
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QUOTE(TheRant @ Sep 4 2019, 11:23 AM)
Funny you said before that salvation is by grace and works.
So which is which now.

2 John 1
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

But then the Bible is never your standard right?

That's why I told azriqii, I do not really trust anybody.
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That's a serious accusation. You better provide evidence.
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