Problem is, thats what the Bible does.

If you have a problem, it's not with me. It's with the Bible.

This applies to you by the way

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Anyway. I never considered you anything so no point talking anymore.

We shall see later whether you are right or not on judgement day.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 12 2019, 05:01 PM

You are correct. Even KJV people get confused about this area. I guess everyone sins in a way.

The thing is, I really do not know how you define regeneration but as for me, salvation happen at an instant.

John 3:7-8
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

So the other argument is that why would God allow people into the world just so that they can go to hell.

Well, the thing is, God did provide a way for them. But then due to their deprave state, they are not able to accept that way. It is a demonstration actually that without God's help, there can be no hope.

That's why I said he is a very confused person.

That's a mark of a person who is "not very saved".

You see, he cannot tell you that salvation is by works as it contradicts so many scriptures.

At the same time, he have to redefine faith to include works as well. In other words, since the scriptures say clearly that salvation is by faith, then by his own definition, salvation has to include works as well.

The thing is, if you approach him personally and ask him if he believes whether salvation is by faith alone and not by works, he will tell you that what you say is true because the Bible says so. But then he suddenly get very confused when being ask say how can a person who do this and this be saved. And he will then tell you that actually faith and works is "binary". In other words, faith intersects with works if you imagine this from a mathematical point of view.
Or work is a subset of faith depending on his definition.

The thing is thomasthai has the correct understanding of faith. Faith produces work. But then work itself does not saved. Work is just the evidence of faith.

The thing is, what he said contradicts what he believes in if you can see my earlier exchange with him.

And he will use his "Jewish" and "Greek" knowledge to prove that he knows better. Nevermind implying that the King James Version is the harder reading and therefore it's not inspired.

The thing is, for people that changes his definition again and again. You will never go far debating with him.

He is typical of someone who thinks that just because he has done so much in his life, God is obliged to grant him salvation. That is the reason why he thinks that he has to defend his works at all cost. This is certainly not faith. A person who has faith does not have to look at his works in order to know whether he is saved or not. He knows that he is already saved because that is what the Bible promises.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

The God I believe in is not the same god he believes in.

Guess he also believe in the Kingdom now Theology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology

That's a very, very, very bad sign

Anyone wants to know how the Kingdom works can refer to this.
https://www.kjvbible.org/thekingdoms.html

The Jews were seeking for a literal Kingdom, not a "Kingdom now" Kingdom.

Sometimes a little knowledge is pretty dangerous.

For those who "preached" on works.
I really "hope" this will not happen to you

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Notice that this includes those who think they are "Christians" as well.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 13 2019, 03:39 PM

I am waiting as well.

But I am pretty sure he will not give an answer. He will be using his "delay" tactics.

Not trying to suck up to you btw. Because to be honest, you have more chance then him if you know what i mean.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 13 2019, 04:39 PM

The irony. He said that the other person is in dangerous straits because of his "refreshing" stand. Yet he himself is in danger as well.

There you go.

Now he says your answer is too simple.

That's the thing. Now I know why despite having similar beliefs, seems that we cannot get along. We never had the same belief all these while. And yes, he will be judged by his works

Funny.
I thought someone mentioned a while ago that scripture interpreting scripture is a Jewish tradition and that we as "ordinary mortals" cannot do that.

That's the thing. You speak with both sides of your mouth really.
Post #1037

Just manage to reread your post while I was scanning.

Sprinkling is not very doctrinal if you even understand what does baptism signify.

Just curious. Is the real food of the Word perfect? Or the food of the word is not perfect.

So the "food of the Word" contains this text?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegatew...V&interface=amp

With the footnotes as such?
1 Timothy 3:16 Greek Who; some manuscripts God; others Which

Just curious.

What is the difference between
[B[God[/B] was manifest in the flesh
Versus
[B/He[/B][a] was manifested in the flesh,
Versus
Who was manifest in the flesh
Versus
[B]Which[/B[ was manifest in the flesh

So the ESV cannot even identify the entity that is manifest in the flesh?

So tell me. How have you really benefited from the "food of the Word " then. And I dun mean from the pastor or any other sources but directly from the "food of the Word".

Because if you are only hearing from second hand sources, it's no better then what those guys are experiencing.

Do you even search the scriptures like the bereans do or you just assume whatever the authority figure tell you is true.

Be honest.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 16 2019, 12:11 PM

While we are on it,
Is there a differences between those 2 passages.
KJV
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

ESV
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men.

Are you sure they both passages preaches the same doctrine as you claim?

So the Jesus could not even understand why He is God. Does it make sense?

But of course, ESV is the better version right?

How about you answer those questions first. So that at least I "know" which is the "word of God" I should follow.

By the way. Is "made himself of no reputation" the same thing as "emptied himself"

What does "emptied himsellf" actually mean? Do you know in Yoga meditation, people actually "emptied themself"

So should I go and do Yoga meditation then.

The Bible supports "Yoga meditation"?

Maybe before criticizing other churches, one should look at one owns self right?

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 16 2019, 12:03 PM

Anyway. What you have written looks good. You are on the right track by using the kjb and the "nkjb". But there is a reason why ppl are still using the kjb despite the "nkjb" is the easier to read version. You can easily find out by yourself.

Anyway just to share this with you.
http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html

Just to let you know. There is a difference between being saved and is saved. Being saved is a process. Is saved means saved at the instant. The newer version says being saved including NKJV. KJV says are saved. You decide for yourself which is more "acceptable"

https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-18.htm

Anyway I apologize for the above post but then it does serve as a reference for the others.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 16 2019, 02:22 PM

Actually. Not that difficult once you humble yourself and study carefully.

Repentence is just a recognition that you are a, sinner and that there is nothing you can do to save yourself. It's also feeling sorrow for your sins. Like the example I gave you. Of course I believe that there is grace involved in repentence because only God can change the heart of someone.

Actually in Korea, when someone shows repentence, their sentence is reduced. I mean what is so difficult about repentence. It's just feeling sorry for the sins or crime you made and the desire to not do them. If unbelievers know this why believers find it so hard to understand?

The verse that speak about this is Jesus saying that He come to bring sinners to repentence. Obviously in this context. It means turning from your sins towards Him.

The thing about most church is. They think that just by saying the sinners prayer that person is saved. But they forget that repentence is the most important component. Actually this is the reason why Jesus come in the first place. You see. If you still remain in your sins, then what is the purpose of Jesus death. In fact when you say the sinner prayer, you admit that you are a sinner. But then if you dun realize the severity of your sins and feel sorrow at all for your sins and understand that you probably deserve to die for your sins, then what are you praying for. Jesus did not come for the health but for the sick.if you are healthy, would you need Jesus?

That's the thing. A mere profession does nothing. In fact it's dangerous because it makes someone thinks he is a Christian when he is not.

That is why I dun even know when I was actually saved. I know that I probably made a falae profession many years back but I know there is a point when I truly repented because I can see God working in my life

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 16 2019, 11:45 PM

Well of course. What God had given, He will not take back.

Actually talking about salvation. How sure are you that you are, worshipping the correct Jesus.

You see. It's a pretty important topic when it comes to salvation but then for some reason people dun talk about that.

Maybe you can explain to me how sure you are worshipping the correct Jesus.