Haha. You really sure can change definitions as you go along right? In the past, people still have integrity to ensure that even if the verses differs there will be questions. It's not just a change in the wordings. It's a change in the entire meaning. But it's OK. You want to pretend right?

There is a definite change in the doctrines and it's easy for you to find out. I think you dun need me to spoonfeed you right? But even if there is not, them if it is all about doctrines, then write the doctrines down instead of reading the Bible then. You are already undermining God by your very own challenge.

Do you think I have so much time to spoon feed you? You are already acting like a certain person here and I an sure you will come to the same conclusion as him one day which will then confirm your condemnation. Different spots but the same leapord.

Can see that you are already sweating like the narcissist you are. Based on your statements, why were you attacking the kjb then? Also, you know that entire passages were removed from the kjb.

That's the thing. You never had any integrity and you will be judge for that one day.

In fact you even said that belief in Christ is enough for salvation. What about repentence?

Key Verse here
Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

There are many passages in the Gospels that demonstrates repentence. It's something that come hand in hand.
Passages whereby Jesus told the woman to sin no more
Also a demonstration of repentance for example
The man who beats his chest and call himself a sinner.


Well. God grants repentace actually.
2 Timothy 2:25
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Romans 2:4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

To be honest, looking at the way you write. You do not really have any conscience. That's a characteristic of someone who is on the way to hell.

Funny you never address the actual accusation against you but then just pretend it never happens. That is how Heretics behave by the way.

Of course you know what I am talking about but then pretend you dunno. Is this the first time we have our exchanges. And everytime you just run away when you have nothing to say.

And you assume that I actually read the ESV. Why should I read the ESV when I know it's corrupted.

If you want to find the answers to your question. just type into google esv corrupted. Is it so hard?

And this is the website that i found upon typing. But even after "spoon feeding" you you still cannot see. Well that is because you are blind.

https://www.scionofzion.com/esv_exposed.htm

In fact, I do not even need to search this website for you. You have already condemned yourself by making the statement that since doctrines are the same why argue?

But the Bible Itself says that every word are pure words. You even contradict the Bible by your very words.

Of course. Now you will change the definition to say that those are not main doctrines. The irony is, the doctrines that I believe in is not the same as the doctrines you believe in. So who are you to define the main doctrines in the first place. You are not very smart are you.

Anyway it's getting tiring replying to you. I am pretty sure if you actually die right now, the next thing you will see is the great white throne of judgement.

I never said that those who uses the modern versions are lost by the way. But then their attitude towards the KJV is one of the criteria as saved people love the truth. But then with the information that is available right now, if you use the modern version, you are very highly suspect. If you cannot be led to the KJB or other similar versions, then most likely you do not have the Holy Spirit in you.


This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 5 2019, 11:21 AM

Well.. I never said that performance come from Man.

In fact, how would man even know which work will please God in the first place.

But then the thing is, when the Holy Ghost is working in your life, naturally, you will be able to perform. If there is no Holy Ghost working in your life, then you are only "working" based on your expectation. You do not even know if your works are pleasing to God. You only think that your works are pleasing to God that's all.

But then the Bible does mention works actually.
1 Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

But this can only happen when the Holy Ghost is working in your life.

The thing is if you are not producing works, then most likely the Holy Ghost is not working in your life. So you know what I mean.

Well. Works can be in the form of backstabbing, stealing, murdering, gossiping, not being compassionate, blaspheming God

I mean if someone does those kind of things, then most likely he does not have the Holy Spirit in him right?

For example Hebrews 11.
How were those patriach able to do things that are pleasing to God. But then take note, there were others like say Cain who tried very hard but yet their works are not accepted. That's because God was guiding them. While for the others, they thought they did good works but then those works were not acceptable for God.

So tell me where is the perfect Bible then.

Because the Bible says very clearly that God will preserve His words. So where is the Perfect Bible then.

The Holy Spirit will eventually lead you to the word of God. Unless you say that the word of God is not perfect. And to me the KJV is perfect. Of course there are other perfect Bible in other languages and also may be in English as well. But then this is none of my concern because my primary language is in English.

I never claim that the KJV is the only perfect word of God. That is why I mentioned similar versions. You can have other versions in other languages or even English that matches the KJV. And they are perfectly fine to be used. It's just simple logic. If say you have A and B. If A is perfect, in order for B to be perfect it has to match A. It's not rocket science. I mean you actually want to debate me with that kind of comprehension skills you have? That is why our conversations has always been around circles and you just conveniently runaway once you got caught with your pants down.

I can tell that you are getting desperate right now. Looking at your comprehension skills etc.

You can shout anyhow you want. You probably know in your heart where you actually belong to.

You see, I do not follow a man like you do. And yet you say that I am in a cult. Actually to be frank. Your behavior is pretty cultish not mine.

Technically you are the one who is cult like because you are only repeating what is being told to you. You do not have the ability to think for yourself.

Actually I shared a verse and I would probably shared it with you.

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

But then since you are already righteous, you probably do not need Jesus right?

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 5 2019, 11:55 AM

And yet you have not answered my question. Where is the perfect bible.

Haha circular reasoning. I thought you are the expert in that.

Why dun you be honest and just say you dun believe God preserve His words. We can continue after you admit to that.

And you even lied by saying you ask me many times.

Do you even have a brain? You think everyone is as stupid as you?

Liars go to hell do you understand?

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 5 2019, 01:09 PM

Funny. How come you dun think I am sick to death. In fact talking to you is talking to death itself.

Wow. You just change the definition of preservation just like the heretics does. Do you realize that a muslin can also claim the same thing? Saying that God preserve his words through all the manuscript out there is an insult to His integrity. It's like me telling you hey I have all the information. But the information is distributed among all the books in the library. But then you probably do not even understand what integrity means because you are on your way to hell.

I have already said why I believe that the kjb is God's preserved words. Looking at the fruits it produce so far and also the fact that I believe God preserves His words. Even when I was naive to think that the other Bible contains God's word the moment I saw a, contradiction when there is a comparison of the niv and the kjv, I know which one to trust immediately. Most Christians actually somehow feel that the kjb is a better version and more accurate but because they are lazy and think that the kjb is harder to read despite evidence on the contrary. As I implied earlier, the Holy Ghost will lead you towards the Truth and if you are insensitive. You probably dun have the Holy Ghost in you. Of course as I said. The modern version diminish the deity of Jesus. And they remove key verses. Of course the fact that I "found" the kjb just like I found Chrisy.

The verse my sheep hears my voice come into picture. You dun hear because you do not belong to Christ. Remember Jesus is the Word of God. So the same applies to God's word as well.

Based on what you say, I could also ask you how sure you think that Christianity is the right religion when there are thousands out there. Every of your words are a contradiction and yet you still think you are saved.

So no point debating anymore. I know where your destination is. You will probably find out after your death. But of course your destination might change if a miracle happen. But as I implied, the probability of that happening is very low.

You can defend yourself as much as possible. But then ultimately you are not answerable to me but to God.

Editrf

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 8 2019, 10:42 PM

Anyway. I will do a reply for this. But obviously, you do not seem to get what I mean. If you still do not get it, then no matter how much I explain, you will not get it.

A person can be doing a lot of good works like say Mother Teresa, and still be lost. It depends on the motivation of why he does the works in the first place. For example, if a person is doing works to cover the sins he made in his life. It obviously means nothing right. Doing works for security purpose will also not achieve anything spiritually. Some people think that just because they do a lot of good work, then they will be secure in the after life. Well, that really does not work as well.

The best example to demonstrate this is the following passage
Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

They obviously did a lot of good works. But Jesus never consider those works good. In fact, those works are actually described as iniquity. In other words, their works are being describe as evil.

I will show the same passage in the esv.
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Notice the phrase workers of lawlessness vs work iniquity.

You realize that to describe them as workers of lawlessness is already wrong. Because if you look at the entire passage, in what way have they broken the law.

But then iniquity means wicked. Jesus consider their works wicked.

Anyway side note.

There are many examples of people doing good works in the Bible but then they were just not favoured.

For example, compare say abel and cain.
Both Abel and Cain offered from their fields but why is one favoured and the other is not. And the reason why Cain was so angry was because he thought he did the right thing but yet God treated him unfairly.

Also, if you compare between Jacob and Esau, if you do not see it from spiritual eyes, you will think that Esau was the better person.

Even look at Lot. If you look from a non spiritual eyes, you will think that he is not righteous. But God consider him righteous. In fact the fact of the matter is, the fact that he was willing to sacrifice his daughters for the angels visiting them shows he understood spiritual things. You see, his action of wanting to sacrifice his daughters actually show that he understood the importance of the angels and was willing to sacrifice even his own daughters for the angels.

And that's the thing.

A saved person understand spiritual things. And his understanding is reflected in his actions. For example, Jacob understood the importance of Esau's Birthright. Of course the way he stole it was wrong. But then the fact of the matter was he understood the importance enough to take it away from Esau. And that is why God is so angry with Esau even though it seems that Jacob was the one who stole Esau's birthright. To a normal person, this would not have made sense. After all, Jacob stole Esau's birthright. He use the wrong way of obtaining Esau's birthright. But God was angry at Esau.

My point is, yes religious people do lots of Good work and are kind. But then God is not happy with what they do because what they do have no spiritual purpose at all. In fact it shows hypocrisy actually that they do a lot of good work but yet are not willing to acknowledge God. Their good works are a curse actually.

Actually the idea that we are all sinners is not a good excuse to remain in sin. In fact, if we know that we are sinners then we should be repentant of our sins.
10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
It does not make sense for one to remain in sin if he is sorrow about his sins.

In fact there is one passage which talks about sin
1 John 3
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How do you explain that then to a "Christian" who remains in sin?

The other thing to take note of is that when a person is saved, naturally he would do things that pleases God. I am not talking about being kind etc. I am talking about things like loving the truth, and having a change spirit. Its like a healthy person. When you see a healthy person, well, you can tell by looking at his face, his lips, his blood sugar, his fingernails, etc. Similarly for someone who is saved, you can see similar things as well. Of course those things are described as the fruits of the spirit.

If one does a comparison, Jesus mention that Good tree bears good fruits. And then Paul talks about the fruits of the spirit. So if we do a comparison, we can see that if a Christian does not bear the fruits of the spirit which Paul talks about, then there is a very high chance that he is not a Christian.

Of course, there are other things in the Bible as well. For example,
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

So of course God will reveal things to someone who is saved.

That is why you always have the misunderstanding that I am preaching works. I never preached works but then works does show whether a person is save or not.

And someone who keeps on attacking the Truth and also the person who supports him is definitely not saved in my eyes.

To me the word of God is like the birthright and if you are attacking it, it means that you are the modern day Esau.

And I just want to conclude by saying that you are wrong to say that some Christians do not have the Holy Spirit maybe you should start examining yourself when you make this kind of statement.

I also want to say that anyone can call himself a Christian. But then if he is not saved, it means nothing.

Anyway this is the end. I am very hungry but if you do not get it. You do not get it. Nothing I can do to help.

Spiritual things are not meant for everyone.

Read my earlier post as well. If you still do not get it. I cannot help you. If you really understand the Bible you will know why God is not happy with the works of the unsaved.

Psalm 7:10-12 King James Version (KJV)
10 My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.

11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 8 2019, 10:48 PM

Not interested anymore.
OK we will see after death.

I answered that b4 and yet you repeat again.

I did not say that the KJB is the only perfect Bible right?

Wonder if brain got problem or spirit got problem or both.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 9 2019, 05:47 PM

Wow. Just wow.
Do you actually read the scriptures?

1 Peter 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

You really are starting to sound like a catholic yourself.
Matthew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Notice the verse do not mention elders and deacons but the church. Or the body of Christ.

Of course in the book of timothy, we are supposed to treat out elders with respect. It never says that elders are supposed to be "ruling" to church.
Also in the book of timothy, a Bishop is supposed to be taking care of the church. Not ruling the church



1 Corinthians 12
12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

It's so clear that there is no one who should be "ruling" the church. Now of course in timothy , bishops are supposed to be taking care of the church of God. Not ruling.
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)


The only people who were given authority to rule were the apostles.

The bible says clearly that we are supposed to follow God and not men.

But then for people like you. I understand why you like being ruled under men. After all, you do not have a fix standard to follow, so man then sets the standard for you.

You are already starting to sound like a catholic.

Funny. If we do not compare scripture with scripture. How do we know which books are actually God's words and which books are not God's words. I mean the aprocryphals are rejected because they are not consistent with the other books of the Bible.

When someone is not in the Spirit, he tends to be very confused.

Oh the irony.
1 Corinthians 13:6
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

Maybe you should apply this verse to yourself?

1) You use a corrupted version of the worst kind. Which even ThomasThai would probably not approve.

NLT is a thought for thought bible. It is not even worthy to be use in the first place. But then what do you even know?

Just take a comparison

1 John 5:7 NLT
7 So we have these three witnesses[a]—

1 John 5:7 ESV
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

1 John 5:7 KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

In fact ThomasThai challenged me on whether there are doctrinal differences. It's so clear as day just by looking at those 3 verses.

Sorry Actually this verse was taken out from both esv and nlt.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

And you actually call yourself a Christian. The irony is you actually have the audacity to imply that I am not a Christian even though you use corrupted sources that totally perverts the word of God.

https://preachersinstitute.com/2013/01/10/h...e-translations/

My standards are higher then this guy though. But if even someone like him can condemn the NLT, then it really says a lot of someone who uses it.

You see. It is so corrupted, that even most "KJB Only" people dun even bother to compare this Bible with their KJB.

By the way, found a "pearl" in NLT

8 Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth—a man of complete integrity

In fact the following passage is a complete joke. Guess where I quoted from
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. 22 On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ 23 But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’

I have no problems calling the above passage a joke. Please "sue" me. You have been reading from a joke bible all these while.


If you have any understanding, that verse above is blesphemy actually. It contradicts the verse that there is no one good. Did I just insulted your "word of God" then? For me, no issues insulting your "word of God" when it's actually the "word of Satan". The fact that you are using this type of Bible tells me a lot about you actually. But then you probably think you are saved because of your mere profession right?

Next time, just use the message Bible.

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 11 2019, 03:53 PM

Ok you got me there. Thanks for using the KJB though

But then how do you consider 1 Peter 5:2-3
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.

The thing is, it also depends on your definition of rule.

Of course by "comparing scripture with scripture" (You probably know why I put the inverted commas there)

rule can be compared with oversight.

oversight is more like a managerial kind of authority. But at the same time, it's not really a dictatorial type if you know what i mean.

So it really depends on what context you define rule. Of course I do not deny that Pastors and Elders should have authority. But then it's not the dictatorial kind if you know what I mean.

Fresh take of the Bible. What a joke. Might as well ask alestir crowley to write a Bible and he would probably give the same approval to His Bible as well.

Those translations have probably damn more ppl to hell then any other thing else.

No need to say anymore. You have the antichrist spirit and those bibles probably creare more ppl with the same spirit as you.

In fact I can even see the mockery antichrist spirit in the end. You will definitely get your just desserts.

@thomasthai I hope you can see the delusion. But the thing is. The delusion you see in him is probably the same delusion I see in those using the modern versions. As I have implied, I have a, higher standard. But at least I have something to "debate " with you on. I have nothing more to say to him.

I found this video.
Coincidence?
https://youtu.be/tqKCz_Hqg7M
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblegatew...V&interface=amp

@Thomasthai cannot help you if after you read the link showed you are still not convinced. I still cannot believe it. To be honest. Wow they actually wrote that in the footnotes.


This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 11 2019, 11:26 PM

Actually I dun deny that there may be a few that are "saved" using corrupted versions. God can probably save using stones as well. Just like Nebuchadnezzar can speak the truth sometimes. Of course the credit to Nebuchadnezzar saying the truth is not to him but to God.

Edited(Waste of time talking to a heretic)

This post has been edited by TheRant: Sep 12 2019, 04:55 PM