I'm not against works, by all mean exhibit your faith by your works.

I'm saying works doesn't save us and is not a criteria for Salvation as how the Bible has said it.

We are righteous by Faith, that is the new covenant.

Whether you do good works or lack of it, it is the Lord Jesus that saves you at the end of the day.

Because if you say otherwise then I'll asked you, have you been able to keep all the works as per expectation of God?

It's just a simple yes or no, You didn't really answer me.

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Faith vs works



In conclusion, I think justification by faith stands, but if good works are not produced, then that faith must be reexamined if it is genuine.

Well God told His apostles, "he who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me". Thus apostolic succession is a very important, something lacking in Protestantism.

Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

RCC's soteriology is a lot more complex.

Let me try to break it down.

1) A person is saved by grace through faith in Christ.

2) God infuses justification (by imparted grace) to that person (as opposed to protestant's imputed righteousness). That means that person actually has to contribute to his righteousness (maybe 50 from God and 50 from himself, etc., while we believe that we are 100% righteous by the merits of Christ.

In other words, justification and sanctification is two different things, whereas for a protestant, we believe when God justifies, He sanctifies too.

3) But that person, if he commits a mortal sin, can fall from salvific grace.

This is when confession, veneration, sacraments come in. From here, he has to earn his way back in good standing with God.

But by my judgement, at the very core, it is still mostly a works based salvation.

16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.

Luke 10: 16-17

out of context.

Jesus was not only speaking to his 12 disciples but to the 70 He sent out.

It's just a simple question, prophetjul, yes or no?

I asked you 1st.

For me I'll say No. your turn.

So my next question is, since you agree your works are not perfect, in a way not consistently perfect, so what merits gets you to heaven based on what Bible says?

Your Faith and by the Grace of God that makes you righteous or your Faith plus imperfect works that makes you righteous?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also

Just answer my question bro.

What merits you to heaven then since you agree your works is not perfectly consistent?

If you want to quote James, then by the interpretation you insist, then do you think you will inherit Salvation?

Does your work count in the context of James?

2 questions now inter-related.

Better question to ask is if the slavation an event or process?

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I'm talking about Salvation and you've just admitted, your works are imperfect, you fall at times.

Absolutely not, Tradition came first before the NT was written down. Tradition and the beliefs of the early Christians interprets Scripture, not the new interpretations by Protestants that came more than 1500 years later. On what basis do you accept Scripture alone? Does scripture interprets itself? If yes, how does that explain the myriad interpretations causing the sprouting of sects like mushrooms as time goes by?

So you're saying despite of your imperfect works, you will still go to Heaven? Why?

How can it just be Jesus? You've said your work matters. How do you account on your falling short moments?

so are you saying, Jesus is the key reason?

I rest my case then.

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2 For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.

15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

20 By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.

21 By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.

22 By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

23 By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.

24 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;

25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

27 By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.

29 By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.

31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

And also

As he said these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed!" But he said, "Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!"
Luke 11:27‭-‬28 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.11.27-28.ESV

if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/2ch.7.14.ESV
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome.
1 John 5:1‭-‬3 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/1jn.5.1-3.ESV

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.