I rest my case that at the end of the day, when you fall short, you still appeal to Christ as your Saviour ie appealing to God's grace as the key to Salvation. not your works.

I've never disputed that Faith and Works goes hand in hand. I only dispute that works is the justification to Salvation. You never did understand that as well the rest who always disagree with me.

Whether you have done enough works or lack of it, at the end of the day you still appeal to Christ as the key to Salvation (For me the Bible has always highlighted has always been the Finish work of Christ at the cross which God accepts as the justification to Salvation)

Because if you say otherwise, why appeal to Christ for your short comings or your failure to adhere to God's command?

Do you see what I've been trying to tell you all along? Think about it.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

So lets just cut this very direct.

Are you saying your works is one of the justification to Salvation.

Yes or No?

Erm, if you claim to understand better than I do, then you should know.

Yes or No? It is really that simple.

Justification by faith but faith is never alone
Faith is not just knowing the truth, but also living by that truth. Because even devil has the knowledge of truth, in fact devil has better knowledge about the truth than all of us, but he aint living by the truth

And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven."
Mark 2:5 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/mrk.2.5.ESV

No it's not, you just refuse to answer.

Yes? No? Maybe? I don't know. <---there's nothing outside of these options.

You said

"I am saying FAITH in Jesus leads to the kingdom and ultimately heaven, which you like"

I didn't see the word works in there, am I correct?

So just to confirm one more time, does

1. Faith in Christ alone qualify to kingdom and ultimate heaven or

2. Faith + Works both needed to qualify to kingdom and ultimately Heaven?
1 or 2?

So I guess answer is No.2 then. Yes?

While I can agree what you're tying to imply, this Faith + Work is not really a straight forward answer but it can be.

No where in the book of James 2 teaches us that dead works leads to disqualification to heaven.

it teaches us that it leads to the phrase worthless or unprofitable, KJV uses the word dead. Meaning unprofitable Christian lives or defeated life vs a victorious one.

The difference is in there.

Else to say Works is require for Salvation would make Ephesians 2:8-9 to be not true.

For the phrase in verse 10 of the same chapter

10.For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.

tell us we are indeed created to do good works, we are designed for it and yet doesn't mean lack of it disqualify us to Salvation.

Absolutely not. Even each and every Protestant group has their own 'tradition' to interpret Scripture, e.g. of Penance, the Eucharist, salvation by faith, “independence” or Bible-only. When a Baptist reads of baptism in the NT, they automatically interpret it as being adult baptism. When a Methodist reads of the Church in scripture, they interpret it as the entire believing community. They may use different parts of Scripture to allude to their interpretation, but not all of Scripture, and certainly not in harmony with the early Christians.

It seems to me that both of you are actually on the same page.

is PJ basically saying that works are the fruits of true faith?
(James 2)

is UW is saying even if works does not appear, salvation is assured?

can both be correct, under the right circumstances?

PJ, are u saying,
Faith is the seed.
Works are the fruits
Works must manifest, given time, if the faith is genuine?
UW, What if a person professes faith but chooses to continue in his old ways, actually refusing to yield to the Holy Spirit and be transformed, is that "faith" real?

When I put all this together, i see a clearer picture between faith and works.

It explains the thief on the cross ( Luke 23 )
It explains Paul and James seemingly differing viewpoints
it even explains Jesus' parable on the fig tree (Luke 13)

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.

19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.