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RTS Starcraft 2, New Units with Video and Explanation.

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Cheesenium
post Aug 13 2007, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Aug 13 2007, 10:50 AM)
Devourers.
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Yeah,i forget about that unit adi.

QUOTE(soggie @ Aug 13 2007, 11:11 AM)
Well thing about novel spin-offs is sometimes the authors get the facts wrong. I remember reading somewhere about the SC novel's inconsistencies with the official game story, so I don't really consider them canon. tongue.gif

Anyway, how do you think SC2 will change the way SC is played?

In the old SC days, terran was both noob friendly and versatile at the same time. A really good race to invest time into mastering, because of its flexibility. Protoss was more of a hard handed artillery race - sacrificing mobility and flexibility for durability and firepower, while zerg takes on the other extreme. Will this racial philosophy change with SC2? So far I see, the team in SC2 are starting to abandon these racial philosophy and instead cater for more varied playstyle with units like stalkers for protoss (high mobility) and heavier and more durable terran units (marine shield upgrade?).

What do you guys think?
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Im not surprise to see a change of style since some of the original developers like Bill Roper arent there anymore.

I dont mind as long the final game is fun,balanced, and each race is unique.

This is a sequel and things shouldnt be 100% the same as SC1.
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post Aug 13 2007, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Aug 13 2007, 11:29 AM)
Remember the movie scene where a few marines went to a station to bomb it?
There is one marine removed his headgear to drink coke, then the hydralisk mucous dripped on his head and he went screaming in pain.

I guess hydralisk's mucous is acidic.
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Like alien only...but hydras r cooler than alien except they dont have legs
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post Aug 13 2007, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 13 2007, 09:45 AM)
It spits something call Needle Spines,which is more or less like spikes.I got it from SC and i have tried getting a screenshot but the screenshot looks weird after i took it.

Besides,i have been playing SC1 ever since SC2 is announced.
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If it were spikes how come in SC game it acts like liquid and sticks on its targets?

QUOTE(soggie @ Aug 13 2007, 09:55 AM)
Actually, I'm quite amused that you claimed you played starcraft but never knew hydralisks were your valiumancers. I mean... c'mon! laugh.gif

And BTW, DOTA's a mod, which stands for modification, and is built under the Warcraft 3 engine. FYI, it resembles a map in WC3, and thus uses WC3's mechanics. This does not make it a game. Yes, a very popular mod, like Counterstrike is a mod for Half Life (bet you didn't know that huh?), but please don't confuse it as a RTS, because it is NOT an RTS. Thinking it as so would be like calling CS an FPS with an excellent story.

Besides, you don't need to know kerrigan's bra size to know Starcraft. There's a big difference in not knowing the Hydralisk and not knowing Kerrigan's sexual position preference, for obvious reasons. doh.gif

This is my last pot shot at dotards. Now get back to the discussion!


Added on August 13, 2007, 10:00 am

Hydralisk spits spikes. Green spikes to be certain. And it don't spit them. It fires them from their chest cavity. Re-play starcraft, and there is a cinematic with Hydralisks rushing a marine squad in a science vessel. Or, play Starcraft, move your mouse cursor over to the weapon icon in an individual Hydralisk's portrait (the one that shows your weapon upgrade level). Then read the description text (Needle Spines).

There is no indication that Hydralisks ever used any poison or venom at all. Not in the manual, not in the game, not anywhere. I suspect the green stuff is the mucus that goes with the spikes like those drool from aliens.

BTW, I DO think that Hydralisks were inspired by the Aliens from... well, duh, Aliens.
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There is obviously some graphical and description mismatch the graphics looks like liquid how does spike split you tell me?

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 13 2007, 10:23 AM)
I think the only unit that use acids are Guardians.
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I thought guardians use kama kame ha user posted image

QUOTE(soggie @ Aug 13 2007, 11:11 AM)
Well thing about novel spin-offs is sometimes the authors get the facts wrong. I remember reading somewhere about the SC novel's inconsistencies with the official game story, so I don't really consider them canon. tongue.gif

Anyway, how do you think SC2 will change the way SC is played?

In the old SC days, terran was both noob friendly
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Terran noob friendly Terran is the most micro intensive race in the whole game go watch some youtube replays.

QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Aug 13 2007, 11:29 AM)
Remember the movie scene where a few marines went to a station to bomb it?
There is one marine removed his headgear to drink coke, then the hydralisk mucous dripped on his head and he went screaming in pain.

I guess hydralisk's mucous is acidic.
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They are acidic, its called acid spikes but then in the in game graphics it looks like acid splat than spikes. Too bad they only have 800X600 graphics. Or was it worse.

QUOTE(choyster @ Aug 13 2007, 12:11 PM)
Like alien only...but hydras r cooler than alien except they dont have legs
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They copied the whole zerg race from tyranids.
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post Aug 13 2007, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Aug 13 2007, 11:29 AM)
Remember the movie scene where a few marines went to a station to bomb it?
There is one marine removed his headgear to drink coke, then the hydralisk mucous dripped on his head and he went screaming in pain.

I guess hydralisk's mucous is acidic.
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you watched too much aliens? his head got ripped off, of course hes gonna scream. well actually he didnt get to scream much either, cuz well, he lost his head.

acidic mucus = aliens
sc != aliens

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lol music gg typo

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post Aug 13 2007, 12:46 PM

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Ohh so those protoss and zergs are humans in suits?
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 13 2007, 12:46 PM)
Ohh so those protoss and zergs are humans in suits?
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by aliens i meant the aliens you see in well.. aliens... or in alien vs predator's aliens.

blame them for naming the movie the very thing that it is about.
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post Aug 13 2007, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(redeye84 @ Aug 12 2007, 11:35 PM)
Dont underestimate the power of the Marines!! steampacks + medic can pwn BC and Carrier.

Well how about giving player an option, To switch the baracks to build 1 by 1 or by 3-5 or 12 which have more cost and longer buildtime but in the end is still worth the same as building 1 by 1.

It ease clicking atleast.
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Hence I said packs of marines. Large squadrons of them. 5 or six marines will be killed easily. tongue.gif

And option to build marines in packs of 3-5 is not really a problem. With the reactor addon, units will be spewed out in pairs, similar to the Cloning Vat of RA2. Anyway, building one by one isn't that bad after all.... just keep the building queue constantly full and the units will spawn quickly.


QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Aug 13 2007, 11:29 AM)
Remember the movie scene where a few marines went to a station to bomb it?
There is one marine removed his headgear to drink coke, then the hydralisk mucous dripped on his head and he went screaming in pain.

I guess hydralisk's mucous is acidic.
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 13 2007, 12:23 PM)
If it were spikes how come in SC game it acts like liquid and sticks on its targets?
There is obviously some graphical and description mismatch the graphics looks like liquid how does spike split you tell me?

They are acidic, its called acid spikes but then in the in game graphics it looks like acid splat than spikes. Too bad they only have 800X600 graphics. Or was it worse.

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To end the argument about the Hydralisk's attack, I dug out my old SC CD and loaded the game.
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Needle Spines.

No acid, whatsoever. The animation shows green muck, true enough, but drones spew the same stuff yet their attack is written as spines as well. So there's no ACID in Hydralisk's attack.

If I remember correctly, the explanation for the Hydralisk's attack is that they have some sort of bony plate in their chest or around their jawbone that conceals the spines. When agitated, they will open the plates and shoot the spines for attack... something like that. Anyone has the original manual? I think it's written somewhere inside.

For me, I'd prefer the Hydralisk to attack with its scythe like forearms, as shown in the cinematics... Maybe ground attack for those, and spew spines for aerial units perhaps. Damn those hydras... cheap and powerful.

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post Aug 13 2007, 04:05 PM

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I remember the description and read it again but Im still saying that the animation in the game looks liquid like the queens attack also.
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post Aug 13 2007, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Aug 13 2007, 11:29 AM)
Remember the movie scene where a few marines went to a station to bomb it?
There is one marine removed his headgear to drink coke, then the hydralisk mucous dripped on his head and he went screaming in pain.

I guess hydralisk's mucous is acidic.
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err I think you better watch it again. He got his head impaled from behind by a claw instead of kena acid.


Added on August 13, 2007, 4:34 pm
QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 13 2007, 04:05 PM)
I remember the description and read it again but Im still saying that the animation in the game looks liquid like the queens attack also.
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Look tell you what - if you still insist that it is acid spit, go e-mail Blizzard. Who knows, it might be a huge conspiracy to have us believe that it is needle spines when it is truly acid! Perhaps this would benefit the Zerg when they invade Earth... devilish Blizzard!

To answer your question in a more intelligent manner, cut Blizzard some slack! Design changes now and then, and it is not easy to draw animations in 2D, let alone something so polished as starcraft. Maybe in the early stages they were meant to be spitting acid, but down the line it changed into spines and the sprite didn't get change due to time constraints. Who knows? The game canon says needle spines, so it might do your image a bit better if you just accept it as so.

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post Aug 13 2007, 04:53 PM

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StarCraft is such an old game. You can't blame the developers for not being able to portray a "needle spines" attack correctly. A green acidic animation was easier to draw then. With advancements in graphic technology however, it is now possible to see their needle spines attack in true form. Check out the Hydralisk scene at 1:00. Taken from StarCraft : Ghost. Needle spines with acidic trails.


Watch carefully from 1:43. A scythed arm(tail?) skewered the guy's head from the back through his eye socket and dragged him up the fans. No mucous dripping there.

This post has been edited by sidewinder1009: Aug 13 2007, 04:55 PM
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post Aug 13 2007, 06:00 PM

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Ooops. sry my bad.
Its been a while since i have watch that vid.
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post Aug 13 2007, 07:29 PM

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Talk its cheap lets for old time sake have a Starcraft 4 v 4 sometime. Maybe tonight?
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i won't be here if i can play it online laugh.gif
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 13 2007, 07:29 PM)
Talk its cheap lets for old time sake have a Starcraft 4 v 4 sometime. Maybe tonight?
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post Aug 13 2007, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(hizperion @ Aug 13 2007, 07:42 PM)
i won't be here if i can play it online laugh.gif
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Why not?

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 13 2007, 07:57 PM)
Why not?
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the rig for SC2 is under construction brows.gif

this one can only play like WC2

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post Aug 13 2007, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(hizperion @ Aug 13 2007, 08:06 PM)
the rig for SC2 is under construction brows.gif

this one can only play like WC2
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Cant play SC also? how can you go online u com cant support today's surfing.
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i think can play SC, but only work stuff in here lol sleep.gif
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Darn!! I do hope Dotards can leave this thread and go home suck milk.

I got many "Dotard" friends act like they know everything of blizzard's game. sweat.gif

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