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RTS Starcraft 2, New Units with Video and Explanation.

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post Apr 28 2008, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Apr 28 2008, 04:16 PM)
Kinda like Roach and Immortal.Just the shield is too much for me.Roach's imba regen is ok.It was originally designed to be a unit that is easily killed by focus fire.
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All units with high HP eg Carriers, BCs, Ultralisks, even dragoons need to be killed by focus fire (excluding nukes, plague, and yamato)... imagine a whole troop of roaches whacking your base in early game. How to focus fire when the others keep on regenerating?

I still think Immortals should be killed by damages which overwhelm their total HP. The harden shields which block heavy attacks which are >10 is ok, but there's no reason why a unit can survive an attack which yields more damage than their entire health + shields such as yamato and nukes. Change this, and the Immortal will still be a powerful yet more balanced unit.

Jesus... 800 damage and still standing there? Is this "power overwhelming" or what?

Roaches are like M+M, only with much more HP plus no need for an additional healing unit. The actual concept of fast regenerating units is refreshing, but 15HP per sec is too fast and 90 HP is overboard. Now that they scrapped the medic, they seem to give it to the Zerg already... I still think the medic will return and medivac will be scrapped. It just makes no sense to have a mid/late game air unit just to heal puny infantry with 40HP. That role belongs to early game medics.

The confusing attack types in SC2 doesn't help much either. bonus to light armor, bonus to flesh, bonus to this and that bla bla...

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post Apr 28 2008, 09:43 PM

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Do remember that Roaches are T2 units.By that time,you should have something to kill it fast.

Thats why im ok with Roaches.

It's only Terran bother me.
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post Apr 29 2008, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Apr 28 2008, 05:13 PM)
Starcraft was made in 1997
Yeah, I know. But I never finished it back then. My computer was a 486DX back then. Not even Pentium yet. Running on 16MB normal RAM, and not even EDO.
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post Apr 29 2008, 02:11 AM

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i think roaches are ok la... 90 isnt that high u know... a few tanks can wipe
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post Apr 29 2008, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Apr 28 2008, 09:43 PM)
Do remember that Roaches are T2 units.By that time,you should have something to kill it fast.

Thats why im ok with Roaches.

It's only Terran bother me.
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Hm... T2... for Terrans they'll either need hell lots of marines/reapers, or possibly a decent amounts of ghosts for sniping... Tanks would be too expensive to mass than Roaches, while I'm not sure about the Viking. Maybe the Viking's fire rate will be fast enough to counter roaches.

But at least they're on T2 not T1 or T1.5.... phew... otherwise we'll have marines for lunch everyday, esp with NO MEDIC.

Yeah I think we both agree that the current Terran sucks.

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post Apr 29 2008, 02:58 PM

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maybe they will make roaches a non attack unit
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post Apr 29 2008, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Apr 29 2008, 02:41 PM)
Hm... T2... for Terrans they'll either need hell lots of marines/reapers, or possibly a decent amounts of ghosts for sniping... Tanks would be too expensive to mass than Roaches, while I'm not sure about the Viking. Maybe the Viking's fire rate will be fast enough to counter roaches.

But at least they're on T2 not T1 or T1.5.... phew... otherwise we'll have marines for lunch everyday, esp with NO MEDIC.

Yeah I think we both agree that the current Terran sucks.
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Yeap,current terrran suxs.

Zerg and Protoss is fine.

QUOTE(choyster @ Apr 29 2008, 02:58 PM)
maybe they will make roaches a non attack unit
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Nah,i would say Roach and Hydralisks as a unit since both of them are ranged AG and AA unit.
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post Apr 29 2008, 07:56 PM

Really? That's the best reply you can come up with?
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News updates says that Phase Canons will not get to move around anymore... And about that nuke thingy, upgraded Immortals wit hardened shield can survive a nuke attack wit minor damages, 10 damage was reported.
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post Apr 30 2008, 06:06 AM

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One of the mechanics we're going to lose with automine.


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post Apr 30 2008, 01:03 PM

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Seriously,whats wrong with automine?

It's not like it's gonna break the game till it's unplayable.
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post Apr 30 2008, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Apr 30 2008, 01:03 PM)
Seriously,whats wrong with automine?

It's not like it's gonna break the game till it's unplayable.
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People wants to micro micro non stop.
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post May 4 2008, 01:15 AM

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OMG , pcgame start pre-order . hope heard from official announce actual date launch ..

http://www.pcgame.com.my/product_info.php?products_id=2053
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post May 4 2008, 01:37 AM

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Sc2 is comming soon??
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Wasn't it already there for a very long time?

PC Game Pre-Order's don't mean nuts. Your better off trying your luck with Playasia. They're pre-orders are ussually on time and accurate.
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QUOTE(meetxj9 @ May 4 2008, 02:00 AM)
PC Game Pre-Order's don't mean nuts. Your better off trying your luck with Playasia. They're pre-orders are ussually on time and accurate.
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Seconded that.

I dont really trust the release game in pcgame.com.my.

If it's Gamespot or Blizzard's site,thats most likely to be true.
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Weird that people bash pcgame.com.my even when the shop didn't put out release date, FFS it's just a placeholder for a product coming in future and it's been there for a while now.
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QUOTE(clayclws @ Apr 28 2008, 03:16 AM)
Hmmm...honestly, I never finished Starcraft. Or Broodwar. Getting them to run now on my computer is like...OMG...the graphics are so terrible. I installed them and am still waiting for the guts to see horrible sprites littering my screen...damn it. It's like a traditional Chinese medicine. You know it's damn good for you but it's bitter and smells like shit. Oh well, I do hope they do come up with mods of Starcraft2 that would tell the stories of the original Starcraft...
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just eat some real sh!ts and you will get the guts to see the starcraft horrible sprites lingering on your screen. Don't worry, they won't appear in your nightmare.
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Gamasutra: Evolution of the Modern RTS

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Response from DoW lead designer.
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Believers response:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=71589

Non-believers response:
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthread.php...40&page=1&pp=15
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post May 21 2008, 06:10 AM

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Seriously,i completely disagree with that article.That guy doesnt know much about DoW and CoH.

DoW is not CoH with crappy graphics and W40k because DoW doesnt share as much randomness as CoH.I done modding DoW before and i know how much randomness it has in the game.

The main reason that DoW couldnt make it to the competitive scene is because of bad support and balancing from the beginning.The reasons that article put is not valid for DoW.

Let the f***ing pro do what they want with SC2.Leave my DoW2 alone.I want my "messy" graphics(in fact,i find WC3's graphics is even messy than DoW and CoH).I want my squad ai for realism.

Gaming is about innovation and i know Relic has done well in it all these time while Blizzard is failing in doing so with SC2.It isnt just about pressing the damn mouse button 500 times per minute.
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post May 21 2008, 02:31 PM

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Wonder any update for this release date? and.....not sure my old graphic card can support on this new game or not......hopefully still can support smile.gif
cheers...

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