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 MRT 3 Canceled. HSR Canceled.

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syazwan
post May 31 2018, 05:58 AM

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QUOTE(gks @ May 31 2018, 12:25 AM)
The circle line is about connectivity. Out of 40 stations, there are supposely 13 stations have interchange with LRT, MRT, KTM etc. It is like a shortcut jumping from another one line/destination to another destination and tie up all loose end.
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Which basically means why i said it's not critical for time being due to constraints.. Since the planning is there, im pretty sure d line will be more highly sort out later (if it will be revive)

Also kj line have been there like 20 years..sorry to tell u traffic in kelana jaya still maintain like that. Up to damansara...yap..damansara which also have mrt too.

It improves connectivity but certainly not a perfect method to cut down traffics

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post May 31 2018, 06:26 AM

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trust me... WE need MRT 3
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post May 31 2018, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(value_investor @ May 30 2018, 02:19 PM)
It is the same when LRT first completed it takes time to increase the ridership. These projects are built for future and stop our addiction to fossil fuel. They are noble projects for future generations.
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That is exactly why we should staggered the building of all these big ticket items. Yes, future generations need it. But we don't build everything at one go. MRT already under utilized from Target passengers, still want to build new ones? Apa logic is that.
That is just like investors keep buying property even though the place is a jungle coz 50yrs later when population increase, that area will develope. Don't make sense
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post May 31 2018, 07:25 AM

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It's more like MEH wanna hav ec at 1 go. Kantoi is the ultimate result.

Slow n steady win the race. Tortoise has done tis b4.
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ May 31 2018, 07:09 AM)
That is exactly why we should staggered the building of all these big ticket items. Yes, future generations need it. But we don't build everything at one go. MRT already under utilized from Target passengers, still want to build new ones? Apa logic is that.
That is just like investors keep buying property even though the place is a jungle coz 50yrs later when population increase, that area will develope. Don't make sense
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but that's what happening now...i mean no need to wait for 50 yrs for property price to go up..easily 10 yrs..you can see the differences in the property price..
agreed on the no need to build everything in 1 go..still have to be more careful in spending since the government reserve tank is decreasing..
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post May 31 2018, 08:59 AM

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MRT3 is supposed to be the Yamanote line in Tokyo, the final piece of the puzzle as mentioned by our friend. Without it the whole MRT project has no value, just like you reserve the best event as finale.

No issues scrapping the big ones like HSR, but scrapping MRT3 is a wrong move. We need this to push us towards developed city status. Dr M mentioned in the press conference we do not need HSR as we are considered near to Singapore, and to focus improving our local rail services, so why scrap MRT3?

Our prime minister is being over conservative? Or it's just for the sake of showing us he is doing his job?

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post May 31 2018, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ May 31 2018, 08:59 AM)
MRT3 is supposed to be the Yamanote line in Tokyo, the final piece of the puzzle as mentioned by our friend. Without it the whole MRT project has no value, just like you reserve the best event as finale.

No issues scrapping the big ones like HSR, but scrapping MRT3 is a wrong move. We need this to push us towards developed city status. Dr M mentioned in the press conference we do not need HSR  as we are considered near to Singapore, and to focus improving our local rail services, so why scrap MRT3?

Our prime minister is being over conservative? Or it's just for the sake of showing us he is doing his job?
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Financial burden obviously.

U dunno mrt 1 now is being subsidized now? Yes after 2 years completed..your fee to commute mrt is being subsidize. If not the train cant move

Mrt 2 soon subsidize

Mrt 3??
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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ May 31 2018, 08:59 AM)
MRT3 is supposed to be the Yamanote line in Tokyo, the final piece of the puzzle as mentioned by our friend. Without it the whole MRT project has no value, just like you reserve the best event as finale.

No issues scrapping the big ones like HSR, but scrapping MRT3 is a wrong move. We need this to push us towards developed city status. Dr M mentioned in the press conference we do not need HSR  as we are considered near to Singapore, and to focus improving our local rail services, so why scrap MRT3?

Our prime minister is being over conservative? Or it's just for the sake of showing us he is doing his job?
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another idiot.....our federal budget so dire until the extent that need to sell land to pay loan interest only!!!

how many more land are we afford to sell...now still want to pile up all the debt with all these mega infrastructure???

do you know MRT3 is turnkey project, this show gov has no money before PH take over....do you know how much allowance of gov servant they have cut, do you know how many agency staff they have fire..still live in dream world.

Khazana and Bank Negara need to fork out billion just to pay 1mdb loan interest..with all this pile up debt...do you know how many billion interest need to pay by Malaysia monthly.

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post May 31 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ May 31 2018, 07:09 AM)
That is exactly why we should staggered the building of all these big ticket items. Yes, future generations need it. But we don't build everything at one go. MRT already under utilized from Target passengers, still want to build new ones? Apa logic is that.
That is just like investors keep buying property even though the place is a jungle coz 50yrs later when population increase, that area will develope. Don't make sense
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It is not an easy topic to explain why it is under utilised now. For a start due to underinvestment in public transport, Malaysia is well known as car country. Hence cultural and priority wise, even fresh graduates will buy car first.

Next is once u own a car, you will utilize it as much possible even though your house is very near to mrt station.

It take few years before change of mentality etc. Also for ppl who yet to buy a car, they have choice and option.

Another biggest complain is connectivity. Just imagine now if if you want to from Kepong to OneU. Now you need to interchange in TRX which is long way but with circle line. You can interchange in sentul west (mrt2) and subsequently change at dsara (mrt1) before go to OneU. Save u hell a lot of time.

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post May 31 2018, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(freedom8901 @ May 31 2018, 08:59 AM)
MRT3 is supposed to be the Yamanote line in Tokyo, the final piece of the puzzle as mentioned by our friend. Without it the whole MRT project has no value, just like you reserve the best event as finale.

No issues scrapping the big ones like HSR, but scrapping MRT3 is a wrong move. We need this to push us towards developed city status. Dr M mentioned in the press conference we do not need HSR  as we are considered near to Singapore, and to focus improving our local rail services, so why scrap MRT3?

Our prime minister is being over conservative? Or it's just for the sake of showing us he is doing his job?
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are u seriously totally ignore the debt level of our country and the big hole from 1mdb and just choose what you wanna see....? mrt3, hsr and ercl will be beneficial for the long term... the returns will take long long time to come back... but far away water cant save the fire thats burning in front of your face bro (your country's crazy current debt)....
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Giv has a harapan acc now. Those who whine should contribute more in order for malai to cont building.

To me I would prefer to get the stability now than later.

Wat one should worry bout is how much irb gonna adjust the tax rate in the near future if v fail to cover the hole created by the great be end.
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How much has property price near mrt1 stations rise since mrt1 in operation from mrt1 factor alone?

Mrt3 may have extensive connectivity. The connectivity mean beneficial to whole kv, is unlikely to have any impact on property price.

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post May 31 2018, 10:28 AM

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I tend to think Mahathir has aversion and hostile towards metro rail projects & Singapore more than anything to do with the budget.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...near-singapore/

During his previous tenure, he didn't do anything to improve public transport, yet build mega skyscrapers and tons of highway!

Why don't he announce cancellation of ECRL / Pan-Borneo highway and Bandar Malaysia? I feel HSR & MRT3 are very good compared to the former!

Najib maybe corrupted but GST & MRT / HSR public transport are good initiatives as they can benefit propel the economy compared to 10% SST & mega skyscrapers and highways. Highways only encourage more people to drive and waste money!

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 31 2018, 10:15 AM)
Giv has a harapan acc now. Those who whine should contribute more in order for malai to cont building.

To me I would prefer to get the stability now than later.

Wat one should worry bout is how much irb gonna adjust the tax rate in the near future if v fail to cover the hole created by the great be end.
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post May 31 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(value_investor @ May 31 2018, 10:28 AM)
I tend to think Mahathir has aversion towards metro rail projects & Singapore more than anything to do with the budget.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2018...near-singapore/

During his previous tenure, he didn't do anything to improve public transport, yet build mega skyscrapers and tons of highway!

Why don't he announce cancellation of ECRL / Pan-Borneo highway and Bandar Malaysia? I feel HSR & MRT3 are very good compared to the former!
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Highway is for excise duty ma when the car sales is gd. 🤣

Skyscraper I dunno la. It doesn't seem to generate income fr tourism.

Connectivity is important n good but just not when one is unable to fund it.

Same in prop. Abusing the bank loan ll onli end with hard life. Leverage is gd onli when there is sufficient back up.

No absolute rite or wrong. It's timing I guess.
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QUOTE(j0hn____ @ May 31 2018, 06:26 AM)
trust me... WE need MRT 3
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MRT3 just a round circles for KV not justifiable.
perhaps there is alternative transportation mode in place with cost effective solution in near future.
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QUOTE(less1234 @ May 30 2018, 10:38 PM)
Only been to Singapore and Kyoto area. Their cities were built with pedestrian and train in mind.

Malaysia roads are never pedestrian friendly.

To add on, its too easy to own a car in Malaysia.
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haha, and dont forget we have grab car / some other e-hailing stop right in front of ur place and fetch u right in front of ur destination. and the price is affordable and there is always discount given. it's like hire a driver. why take public transport when grab car is so convenient and affordable and time saving.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ May 31 2018, 10:35 AM)
Highway is for excise duty ma when the car sales is gd. 🤣

Skyscraper I dunno la. It doesn't seem to generate income fr tourism.

Connectivity is important n good but just not when one is unable to fund it.

Same in prop. Abusing the bank loan ll onli end with hard life. Leverage is gd onli when there is sufficient back up.

No absolute rite or wrong. It's timing I guess.
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Najib maybe corrupted but GST & MRT / HSR public transport are good initiatives as they can benefit propel the economy compared to 10% SST & mega skyscrapers and highways. Highways only encourage more people to drive and waste money!
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QUOTE(dragonnite999999 @ May 31 2018, 10:35 AM)
haha, and dont forget we have grab car /  some other e-hailing stop right in front of ur place and fetch u right in front of ur destination. and the price is affordable and there is always discount given. it's like hire a driver. why take public transport when grab car is so convenient and affordable and time saving.
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Grab & Uber are complement to public transport. People who use Grab & Uber also have the inclination to use rails transport but not those addicted to personal cars and driving!

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QUOTE(value_investor @ May 31 2018, 10:36 AM)
Najib maybe corrupted but GST & MRT / HSR public transport are good initiatives as they can benefit propel the economy compared to 10% SST & mega skyscrapers and highways. Highways only encourage more people to drive and waste money!
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Gst is gd. No dispute. But til v r shown where or wat the money is spent on.

Spending to drive is actually income to gov la. 😅😅😅 And of cos public transport ll oso generate income to gov if the ridership is perfectly gd n dun need bailout due to cronyism.


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just chill guys..

MRT 3 might make comeback later on.. I mean maybe another 10 years time tongue.gif

HSR too (depending on the SG outcome)

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