I wonder. BTW, there's 720 zones in both 65 inch qn95b and qn85c.

However zones don't represent brightness. 95b is close to 2000nits. How bright 0can 85c goes?

The QN90C gets much brighter than the QN85C in both SDR and HDR, but in practice, this isn't always noticeable, as most content just isn't mastered to take advantage of such high brightness levels. The QN90C's Automatic Brightness Limiter (ABL) also more aggressively dims the scene when it gets extremely bright, to a point where the two TVs are equally as bright in the brightest of scenes.

Zone determine if got blooming
More zone, less blooming

Here is the spec for 85" QN85C given by Samsung Sales Malaysia

The 85" QN85C have 1210 dimming zones and 1100 nits peak brightness.

Yes Sony is different beast and the price is double of QN85C. I don't want to pay so much for TV that keep improving each year haha

But if same brand definitely affect blooming if less zone.

planing to get a TV for the bedroom. Have about 15ft (4.5m) space between me and the TV, what size should I get ? Currently thinking 75" ?

Assuming 75" is the right size, any recommendations on TV cabinet ? planing to put a game console and speaker (either sonos soundbar, 2.0 or 2.1) in there as well.

Reason for the cabinet instead of wall mounted is because I plan to add wheels to the TV cabinet. So I can move it in and out if needed (between family hall and bedroom). Don't want to get 2 TVs so this lets me play games / chill in bed if I want to 

Quite a major downgrade this year . It looks like they just don't give a damn about LCD anymore . But it is still good to have a choice at least.
The build quality has also taken a downgrade .

55 " QN95C was on sale for less than RM4000 , the merchant can't wait to get rid of them . If you have a pretty bright living room , that is still the most impressive LCD HDR TV you can buy in MY 2023.

The other alternative being X95L and X90L but you have to pay Sony tax , which is almost double of what the TV cost.

You sure about that ?

Across all the numbers from rting, QN95C score lower than previous 2022 &2021 models , namely QN95A and QN95B despite being a Mini LED TV.
The only category it is scoring higher is the brightness , but that means very little IRL because the local dimming is still a mess , its sluggish and lagging behind the rivals.

This flaw is accentuated in MINI-LED TV, because it struggles to control each grid leaving noticeable ghost trails in dark scene.
Putting this TV in a very bright room will nullify the problem more or less. The model has a lot of plastics and has completely lost the " premium feels " of their flagship QLED from couple of years ago.
I am not seeing where the major improvement is coming from in Chinese brands , in hardware perhaps but that has not translate into picture quality yet.

The Samsung QN95C QLED is better than the Samsung QN95B QLED in some ways, but these improvements come with a few sacrifices. The QN95C has a better local dimming feature, with slightly less blooming and less noticeable zone transitions, thanks to the increased zone count. The QN95C is also more accurate, especially at displaying the content creator's intent in HDR, as it has better tone mapping and tracks the PQ EOTF better. On the other hand, these improvements come at the expense of brightness, as the QN95C isn't quite as bright as the QN95B.

Rting is not exactly a REVIEW site. They are a number extraction website , they have been proven wrong in more than several occassion.

They absolutely do not rate TV by picture quality alone.The fact that they are rate S90C as the " BEST TV " despite S95C scoring higher score in every picture quality fulfill that narrative .
They rate TV that is the most marketable , most affordable ( according to market price ) to the public as " best tv "
I am also not very sure why are you linking me Vincent's video , if anything that video highlight how much better their QD OLED is compare to their QLED.
Refer to this : https://www.avforums.com/reviews/samsung-qn...v-review.20938/

Phil is one of the most trust calibrators in the field.
I have seen , touched , watched QN95C IRL , I even briefly lifted the TV which is exactly why I can tell there are A LOT of plastics behind the TV.
Tracking EOTF accurately ONLY one part of the story , QN95C is still crushing a lot of details due to incompetent local dimming system , especially when compared to X95L which has less " zones " .
QN95B is also not a very good comparison because that is the year they started to shift most of their spolights onto their OLEDs.

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yet you are still linking the video , still talking about it . Still comparing it with LCD.

But it is . Being a MiniLED , it has gained far more advantages than conventional LCD yet the improvement is scarcely noticeable because it has to dim area twice as hard ,  it crushes more details and also cause dark saturated colors to lose saturation . You set out to do something , end up doing something that completely destroy your goal. 

If that is not a major downgrade, I don't understand what is .

I wouldn't buy this TV. Would you ?

Samsung has treated me fairly well in the past few years , I have no reason to trash talk them hombrey.
I speak from what I know , what I see. I don't share most of the stuff in this forum anymore because some E-rabid dog went crazy and started biting everyone.

I was extremely disappointed in the performance of their Mini LED TV , that is a fact because no amount of tinkering or calibration can offset the fundamental flaws seen in the latest model.
I also got a major discount offers from them . This year , just got a 77 s90c for $8000 ish a months ago. It's crazy bang for the buck.

Sony has removed Malaysia from their "key market " several years ago . Since then they have alleviated the X90 series to become their LCD flagship here , and the 85 " X95 being the super high end series.
Gone are the days where they used to bring in flagship like Z9D and X93/94.
I am not paying the Sony Tax anyway and like I mentioned before , with a little study and research and tinkering around , you can make your LG / PANASONIC / SAMSUNG TV look 95% as good .
Mini LED is not that different than LCD.  All that extra zone were supposed to be put into use but when you botched the local dimming , what can you do ?

And no , all that plastics are still bothering me because this is supposed to be their 4K LCD Flagship.  Even the remote is downgraded to plastics .

X90L has received a major upgrade compare to last year and that has became the " GO TO LCD " of the year in MY .

Lazada was selling QN95C 55" for like $3800. Quite a steal if you ask me . But no I still wouldn't buy it.

Unfortunately no , that's objectively wrong .

Mini LED doesn't automatically make your TV better .

a QN85C is :

1) less accurate than X90L
2) Dimmer than X90L ( discounting the fact that it dims down highlights)
3) Crush more shadow details because it tries to " aggressively " dim down smaller bright things in dark scene. This may sound like nothing but it sets off a destructive chain reaction . It also causes dark colors to look less saturated.
4) because of 3) , HDR dynamic range is also a took hit , bright small things (sun , stars , lamps , fires etc) are typically the brightest spot on the screen. .
5) Significantly worse Picture processing on sub 4k material
6) Worse motion performance across all columns
7) Worse color volume than X90L (?) , which is the major selling point of Quantum Dots.
This is especially true if you don't calibrate your TVs . If you do , you can run IRE tests and slightly adjust the 5%-10% gamma to bring it up to levels of X90L.
But since most of you don't , you are stuck with a Quantum Dots TV that is counter productive.

At this point , no matter what other aspect it is better than X90L is , it has completely lost in the picture quality department.
The only reason you would buy a QN85C over X90L is if you find a cheaper deal since it is still far better than any Chinese brands.

Never actually seen a QN85C. But hear me out , I've seen its big brother QN95C before from KS-AV , which is basically superior and I still come to the same conclusion.



You see here , the ffm is quite  precise for QLED on HDR , a little undertracking for Red at the end but nothing too destructive . The movie mode brighten up a lot particularly the midtones. I like their FFM this year because of how accurate it has gotten with their QD OLEDs.

I love the QuantumDots screens , I've always been an advocate for the " Colors Volume " . I've made a lengthy post in the past comparing 2 QD TV from TCL and Samsung and how Samsung 1-upped TCL before.
People have this misconception that Samsung 's QD TVs automatically became better in colors. The wider the color coverage is , the more difficult to control it ( also more difficult to calibrate ) . Sometime the movies you see look duller because that is how those movies are graded , its not Sony or LG that are making those movie look duller , its the film producer.
If someone dislike the Sony Tax ( which is reasonable, their mid range is as pricey as a flagships from other brands) and end up with a QLED , that's fine. It is still the best alternative in MY .
But if you end up picking up a QLED because you think QLED ( mini LED or not ) is so much better , unfortunately that is not the case for all of the same reason I have listed above.
Particularly true if you watch a lot of Astro , Youtubes and Netflix . I wish I can tell people , you have more choices in MY but no not really.
From what I knew , Samsung has introduced an option called Smart calibration for their TV.  If you have a Samsung Galaxy phone , it can be used to finetune grayscale and white balance. I won't use the word " calibrate"  here because a phonecam  is nowhere as sensitive as a K-10A hooked up to a JETI Spectraval 1511. Once that two are gotten right , the rest of the colors should fall right into place . Don't expect it to perform miracles but I've read reports on how it has been improving picture quality .

Contrast enhancer doesn't just make it brighter also blown out the highlights . If you really want a brighter picture , changing static to active would yield better results ( and balance ) because that is the TV doing dynamic tone mapping .

Anyone knows about Samsung 65" QLED QE1C 2023 (QA65QE1CAKXXM)?

Got promotional email from Samsung, the price around RM3.4k from retail price RM5.4k.

So far, i can not find any review about this model. Based on specs, other than inferior 50Hz refresh rate, others seem ok.

I suspect reflective screen and lower brightness making QN85C looks like OLED

Blooming is almost no existent in movies

But I seldom watch apple TV+ because prime video have more movies and content

Unfortunately no , yes it is dimmer than its big brother but it is still using the very same algorithm. Samsung did not really adjust them according to each model.
This is evident if you refer to the numbers from Rting. Even the QN85C is still aggressively dimming down very small and supposedly bright highlights .

The X90L from Sony does the same too but because its overall picture is brighter therefore it is still giving an illusion of a more punchier colors and pictures.

The actual overall performance of X90L and QN85C are probably very similar . My major issue with Samsung is they still don't get any smooth gradient options. Some dark scenes they can look quite noisy on the Samsung LCD.
That is exactly what's wrong with their recent LCD . Samsung used to make really convincing , impressive LCD before they go on board with these silly " Ultra wide viewing angles filters " . In reality it bring very little improvement compare to self-emissive like OLEDs and cause screens to lose a lot of its contrast .

Regardless , neither X90L , QN95C or QN85C are good dim room TV. But as a living room TV they are still adequate because you wouldn't notice the other deficiency much thanks to the ambient light.
Or , if you want to improve its performance in a dim room , you can consider some of those ambient light LED strips.
Samsung's very own QD OLEDs are making its own LCD looking bad. There used to be a time where we would only recommend OLED in a dark room. These new QDs OLED are extremely bright , so clean like a mini Rainbow canon which also make them great living room TVs.

If you are very conscious of what you are watching , there's very little reason not to buy them instead of LCD right especially the price is much more affordable now compare to couple of years ago.
The two are very closely linked based on range of brightness a screen is capable of , it affects how saturated the colors can look . Color volume ( also called color saturation ) is just like pure white  / black , measured by its own luminance. To display 500 cd/m2 red , your display would need to be able to go far beyond that 500 cd/m2 ( because pure white is always the brightest).

The better a screen is able to control its light output (by becoming brighter / darker ) ,  the better color volume it will get. 

Think of color gamut as a color palette you have as an Artist but the color volume being the whole canvas . Without the lights you won't be able to see the canvas 's " true colors " .

ConvaelZeneticX

Link

Above link is the polish review for the QN85C VA panel. You can translate to English via chrome.

Local dimming set to standard will give ANSI contrast ratio of over 50000:1 but lose shadow details.

Setting local dimming to low will give better shadow details but you have to bear with greyish black around the zones with bright objects.

Sometimes it makes you wonder which is the better TV... LOL

I see. He did mention that with the LD set to high will result in a lower CR at approx 36643:1 though for filmmaker mode.

But then there are multiple methods to test CR and this number can be a dynamic number depending on the part of the screen I think. So sometimes one number can't really tell the whole story.

No... The Cashback works for next purchase, not current. Besides you can only use RM10 for every RM100 purchased.

There are no perfect tech. OLED or QLED, they have their own sets of limitations. Why OLED are the preferred panel for smartphone? True black? No... Because they get brighter than LED. The same can be said for TV but in reversal. MiniLED pushed higher brightness than OLED ever capable of doing. Even if OLED can push for decent brightness nowadays, they can't do it without the limitations.

There's nothing perfect in this world. It's all about trade off, what you get vs what you lose. As long as you're happy with your TV, that's all that matters.

IMO it's the other way around. OLED pixel density is kinda hard to increase. Just look at 8k OLED. They can only do it at bigger sizes. LED... Mini led is just starting to ramp up, meanwhile they are still trying to make microled viable economically. The potential to reach microled is kinda easier than say to reduce the sizes of each oled pixel.

RnD for OLED is going after longevity and brightness, as well as cost reduction. LED based module wouldnt have to deal with these, except cost.