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ZeneticX
post Jan 12 2024, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 12 2024, 09:02 PM)
How can it be similar??? Organic vs stable light.
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I'm just saying the principle they are working is similar (individual RGB diodes)

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Its nothing to do with LCD incase people mistook that microLED is an evolution of miniLED back-light system. Its a totally different display tech

If i misunderstood your previous statement then ignore me

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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Jan 12 2024, 09:08 PM)
Actually this polish reviewer gives a bit of contradicting information, if you refer to rtings QN85C IPS with LD set to high they get 87391:1. And this polish QN85C VA panel gives a significantly lower CR. I believe rtings should be more credible 😂
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Maybe because the 55 inch of the Polish reviewer only have 504 dimming zones while the 65 inch from Rtings have 720

Not sure how that affects CR though. By right VA should have better native CR than IPS/ADS
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post Jan 13 2024, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 12 2024, 11:52 PM)
Why not? Didn't we get QD oled which only uses blue and passed out through a filter as well? The possibilities is there. I think rgb micro led night possess a challenge of getting a uniform brightness.
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You still dont understand what im trying to say.....

QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 12 2024, 06:27 PM)
IMO it's the other way around. OLED pixel density is kinda hard to increase. Just look at 8k OLED. They can only do it at bigger sizes. LED... Mini led is just starting to ramp up, meanwhile they are still trying to make microled viable economically. The potential to reach microled is kinda easier than say to reduce the sizes of each oled pixel.

RnD for OLED is going after longevity and brightness, as well as cost reduction. LED based module wouldnt have to deal with these, except cost.
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Look now I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying, you could be right or I could be right but who knows since we are not experts in the field

I am just focusing on the bolded part because to me (and again I apologise if I misunderstood) you seem to imply microLED is the next evolution of miniLED. All I'm trying to say is they are totally different tech. MiniLED is just another back-light tech, call it the next evolution in FALD LCD, while microLED is totally new and the way it works have more in common with OLED than LCD

Also its still gonna be some time before microLED hits mainstream (again because its a totally new tech), there's still no proper microLED TV we can buy off the shelf as of now, not even being announced at recent CES. Maybe we will get a surprise next year who knows but damm sure the price would be unaffordable by most, refer back when the first OLEDs came out

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 13 2024, 12:15 AM)
If you understand how QD OLED works, then you should know what I'm referring to. Yes, currently the design is to get rid of the filter and gone direct RGB but imo this will bring the same limitation as OLED. These RGB will have different brightness. Using QD OLED design, you can basically turn to a single color brightest led, pass them through a filter and get a more uniform brightness.
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Boss i duno why suddenly you bring in the comparison of QD OLED also... I've made myself clear at previous reply on what I'm trying to say

You read back my reply and I never even once mention about the technical limitations of microLEDs or OLEDs or the benefit of QD OLED and yes I understand how it all works. So not sure why suddenly you went all technical with me

My reply of saying 'microLED is similar to OLED' is just a way of trying to say it is totally different from miniLED ok

If you feel confused by it then sorry

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Jan 13 2024, 12:48 AM)
strictly speaking, QD-OLED doesn't have color filter, a filter removes something and let other pass.

micro led and oled are pixel level self emitting lights, the challenge of micro led TV is how to move large amount of micro led to a precise locations. this is mass transfer challenges.
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Thanks. That's all I'm trying convey while someone is obsessed with going deep into the debate of screen tech doh.gif

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QUOTE(xxxgkssixxx @ Jan 16 2024, 04:50 PM)
Sorry this might be a noob question: will Dynamic picture mode on Samsung QLED tv shorten the life span of the LED or tv panel? I'm asking this because I noticed that the brightness is significantly brighter than other modes and based on what i read, lower brightness = longer life span. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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shouldn't be any impact to lifespan. LCDs are very durable as long there's no issues with the backlight

but honestly... I dont recommend watching in Dynamic mode anyway but if you enjoy it then you do you

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QUOTE(Convael @ Jan 14 2024, 10:15 PM)
That is exactly the case , most reviewers like rtings measure contrast on a black and white grid . But these grids are quite large and "easy" to pass especially for FALD TV. So the contrast measured from these test are on " best case scenario " .
When MiniLED try to dim the picture too hard to achieve these high contrast number ( which Samsung is very guilty of) , it isn't just erasing shadow details , colors are also affected .

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Notice how colors are less saturated on the QD Mini-LED.
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will the 'Saturation' setting able to sort of offset this issue? what does the setting does anyway and why is it usually not recommended to increase the value? just for my knowledge
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QUOTE(xxxgkssixxx @ Jan 16 2024, 09:02 PM)
May I know why it is not recommended?
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It messes with the colour, brightness and motion of the original content. I dont really 100% follow the creators intent of the original content as well, but Dynamic mode is just too much for my liking
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QUOTE(Convael @ Jan 17 2024, 06:46 PM)
In MY if you are planning to get the S95C , you might as well shed out a little bit more for A95L .
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I think the S95C is still significantly cheaper than the A95L. Its being sold way below RRP by online sellers just like the S90C. Rmb someone managed to grab a 65" one for like 7 or 8k+ few months ago and its not a display unit apparently
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QUOTE(Convael @ Jan 17 2024, 10:10 PM)
65" S95C for 7-8k ? Are you sure about that ?

Because that TV model arrived late in MY and a couple of months ago, even its own employee would not be getting 7-8k ( RRP : 16K - 40% = 10k ish , trust me on this because I have that discount ) .
The best price I was able to get out of S95C was 10k a couple of months ago and 12k for A95L from an Electronic shop I am very closed with.
Price is something I am fairly reluctant to discuss because it can vary greatly particularly if you are affliated with the sellers .  But that is definitely not the common price you will find on the market.
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This guy below. But he gotta wait 3 months for the TV so its fair I guess lmao. And no confirmation from him yet whether its a new or display unit

12k for A95L is a steal though.... is that a special price for you only?

QUOTE(loonsave @ Sep 23 2023, 03:41 PM)
This is the price taken during fair. Further discount to RM7200. user posted image

Then I upgraded to S95C with additional RM500.
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QUOTE(loonsave @ Jan 13 2024, 12:16 PM)
Finally my S95C arrived after 2 months of waiting. Color so nice.
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this is for those with S95B, S90C and S95C

you may want to set your HDR color space to BT2020 and reduce the saturation setting a bit. the Color Space Auto setting seems to be misunderstood (it doesnt automatically switch color space) and its just using DCI-P3 all the time which doesn't make use of the full potential of QD-OLED



for Neo QLEDs it doesn't make much of a difference iinm, it might actually be more inaccurate

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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Jan 31 2024, 05:31 PM)
Wondering should I take 55" S95B at 4.5k (brand new) or S90C at 5.9k to replace my 55" sony tv?
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depends if the improvements to the 2nd gen panel is worth it? and not all S90C is using 2nd gen panel.... only the latest batches are so have to check from the service menu

other than that it seems there's some minor improvements to the software and processing in the S90C

i'll just go for the S90C imo, afterall the S95B is still a first gen product
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Jan 31 2024, 05:47 PM)
Yeah but at 5.9k le haha. Around 1.4k more for more or less the same TV. S95B is flagship though. I think the 55 S90C also first gen panel. Only the larger sizes are second gen if not mistaken. I ask the merchant they also cant confirm if the 55 S90C they are selling are 1st or 2nd gen.

Or I wait for S90D to come out then S90C drop in prices, then I will be forever in the waiting game lol.  confused.gif

And QD OLED at 4.5k really a bit hard to pass.
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considering its already 2024, S90D shouldnt be too far away

no harms waiting for a bit i guess

but better keep an eye on stock levels for S95B / S90C tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Feb 17 2024, 10:56 PM)
It's bright enough for my viewing condition and colors are definitely brighter than LG CX. The set came with FW 14XX so its already nerfed anyways. So I decided to go for FW 1602. I can do the Anapeak/MaxLux mod via SM to bring back to higher brightness but I don't want to risk it for now since it is under warranty.

I mostly use Movie Mode / FMM with custom BT2020 colorspace with peak brightness set to High. I notice movies on native netflix app with 4K HDR looks a lot dimmer overall. I have yet to play with the settings though. Or perhaps I am too used to LG CX Dolby Vision.

I then subscribe to Apple TV+ to test HDR10+. Tested 47 Ronin on 4K HDR10+ and specular highlights pop so much more (lights, reflective on the armors), colors are so much more saturated (need to get used to red being redder lol), improved shadow details a lot more over the Samsung native Netflix 4K HDR movies. Without HDR10+ it makes a lot of diff.

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FMM is on stock preset with custom BT2020 colorspace. My photo taking skill is bad and the phone does not do justice. Vertical grey bar on first pic left side is due to my curtains not completely closed. But yeah overall I am very satisfied with it.
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if you're on Apple TV+ can try watching For All Mankind (lots of space scenes, good for OLED) and Masters of The Air (new series) also

btw I was always wondering, is it worth to get a Chromecast or Apple TV 4K instead of relying on the internal streaming apps?

because reading all the comments online, general consensus seems to agree that those streaming devices have better quality than the internal apps. But from what I see so far not really sure if that's the case




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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Feb 21 2024, 04:37 PM)
Those 2 series are graded in DV though. But I will try them tonight.

Did you notice that when you play DV contents, and you scroll through the menu button to choose picture mode: dynamic, standard, movie, FMM, the HDR10+ logo will pop up? I wonder if it is doing some sort of forced metadata conversion? Plus i notice that whenever I play DV contents via apple tv app on the TV, the color tone and temperature seems to match my LG, at least by my eyes (cause I prefer the slightly yellowish white), and highlights seem more dynamic. Though I am not sure if I am really viewing dynamic HDR. But it does seem improved over static HDR content.

I am researching into those streaming app devices now also lol. Not sure if its worth to get it just for that slight bit of improved picture quality.
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it seems majority content that was graded for DV in Apple TV+ is graded for HDR10+ as well hence why the HDR10+ logo pops out. So far all the content I viewed on Apple TV+, they're all in HDR10+ (judging by the Picture Mode logo) eventhough the title info only mentions DV. So far haven't encounter any titles that shows only standard HDR10. I'm inclined to believe the icon because I never saw HDR10+ using the internal Netflix app, only HDR10, so I believe Apple TV+ is really using HDR10+. There's a bit of controversy or discussion about this if you search online, many are wondering whether Apple TV is doin any metadata conversion.

Weirdly the HDR10 / HDR10+ logo doesn't appear on the FMM mode icon, one of the reason why I only use the Movie mode now

the reason I'm considering a Chromecast now is to play around with Streamio + Torrentio & Real Debrid. Shield TV Pro is the best for this actually but unfortunately it doesn't supports HDR10+

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Feb 21 2024, 04:52 PM)
Stremio is on Tizen now, how is it?
BTW, I am also using Stremio+Torrentio+ RD in GCwGTV
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actually I can't find the Streamio app on my QN85C app store... not sure if its region specific

how's the experience on GCwGTV? compared to internal streaming apps
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Feb 21 2024, 05:10 PM)
I think movie mode is quite similar to FMM. For FMM without the HDR10+ logo, I think it just due to FMM logo issue. I think it's still running the same metadata as other 3 modes.
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yeah I know haha, its just a graphical glitch. but one that kinda drives me mad a bit tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Feb 21 2024, 05:14 PM)
If you run 4K HDR on Netflix, it appears to be the same. HDR, HDR, HDR, FMM.. lol
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Netflix confirmed only have HDR10. And the FMM icon also seems bugged, it will not display any HDR10 or HDR10+ logo. Well not sure if its bugged or its designed that way. But anyway if like me who is bothered by it, just use Movie mode since its accurate as well

btw you can try the calibration function as well.... not sure if it made my picture more accurate but I kinda prefer the colours after vs before. for QD-OLED its probably not essential but give it a try

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QUOTE(Kahlamx @ Feb 21 2024, 05:30 PM)
I tend to believe its designed that way and I kinda like it this way and not bothered at all. Haha.

To be honest, I am really liking Tizen OS. I am not sure why everyone is bashing it. Maybe it used to better, i am not sure..

Yes I will try that function tonight.
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i dont understand the hate for Tizen also honestly lol. Some say it lags after long usage but so far 6 months in everything still feels ok to me. Heck even Google TV have tons of complaints about lag

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Maybe it used to better, i am not sure..


or maybe it used to be really bad and got improved with latest versions

the only cons I see is that the apps catalogue is not as big as GTV for sure, and maybe they dont get updated as often but so far my Youtube, Netflix and ATV+ app had received updates

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QUOTE(podrunner @ Feb 27 2024, 02:16 PM)
Hope the enthusiasts here can help - which TV brands and models offer anti-glare screens?  Placement is next to balcony door so am expecting glare, which is annoying when watching during the day.  Thank you.
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no matter how good is the anti glare coating you are still gonna get some glare... difference is just the severity of it. Closing the curtain or blinds is a better remedy imo

anyway to answer your question, Samsung high end models 90 series and above often have pretty good anti glare properties



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