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post Oct 20 2018, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Oct 19 2018, 11:23 PM)
FYI Giant again having promotion on Shell Ultra 5w40 FS at only rm95/4ltr bottle from Oct 11 until 24.
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Thanks bro for the head-up.
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post Oct 21 2018, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Oct 19 2018, 11:23 PM)
FYI Giant again having promotion on Shell Ultra 5w40 FS at only rm95/4ltr bottle from Oct 11 until 24.
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Don't use, it's not "Made For Malaysia".
Your car will suffer heat stroke or getting flu due to non tropicalized formula, there's no spices curry formula into it.
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post Oct 21 2018, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
Don't use, it's not "Made For Malaysia".
Your car will suffer heat stroke or getting flu due to non tropicalized formula, there's no spices curry formula into it.
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How to know? Imho there's no such thing. If only viscosity, API grade, type etc etc. No tropical non tropical category.
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post Oct 21 2018, 02:58 PM

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I wonder why hypermarket never have deals for 0w30 or 5w30 sad.gif
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post Oct 21 2018, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
Don't use, it's not "Made For Malaysia".
Your car will suffer heat stroke or getting flu due to non tropicalized formula, there's no spices curry formula into it.
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Car manual handbook only mentioned the recommended engine oil grade. No mentioed about this special tropical weather friendly engine oil wor.
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post Oct 21 2018, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
Don't use, it's not "Made For Malaysia".
Your car will suffer heat stroke or getting flu due to non tropicalized formula, there's no spices curry formula into it.
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Nonsense la! I have used oils from Tesco/Giant/AEON for the last 8 years and all my engines are still in tip top condition! This oils are direct import from Europe just like if you buy Liqui Moly from Germany, Motul from France, Amsoil from USA or Eneos from Japan, they're perfectly fine to be used here!
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post Oct 21 2018, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 21 2018, 02:58 PM)
I wonder why hypermarket never have deals for 0w30 or 5w30 sad.gif
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Got, last time Tesco had promotion for Castrol 5w30 FS for rm130-150.
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post Oct 22 2018, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(effectz @ Oct 19 2018, 05:41 PM)
Not fishy. The eo margin so high. Some seller sell lower margin.
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bro, i agree what you mean by different margin. but the previous sharing from one of the member here shows the oil colour is totally different. cant be same spec but different in colour right.. some may be genuine, but how to prove them?
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post Oct 22 2018, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Yellow lemon @ Oct 22 2018, 04:28 PM)
bro, i agree what you mean by different margin. but the previous sharing from one of the member here shows the oil colour is totally different. cant be same spec but different in colour right.. some may be genuine, but how to prove them?
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Tell him to ask the seller then share with us here the answer.
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post Oct 23 2018, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(Yellow lemon @ Oct 22 2018, 04:28 PM)
bro, i agree what you mean by different margin. but the previous sharing from one of the member here shows the oil colour is totally different. cant be same spec but different in colour right.. some may be genuine, but how to prove them?
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Geng lo ...based on colour ..than you can know the quality and specifications😂😂😂
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post Oct 23 2018, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Oct 21 2018, 11:36 AM)
Don't use, it's not "Made For Malaysia".
Your car will suffer heat stroke or getting flu due to non tropicalized formula, there's no spices curry formula into it.
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FULL.OF BS....no credibility at all. shell malasyia didn't come out with news/memo regarding "special formulated for Malaysia/Asean/tropical country" on their shell helix engine oil .btw how do you going to explain when even the eo packaging written "made in hongkong".please entertained k/lowyat member to defend your argument.
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post Oct 23 2018, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(TRAZE99 @ Oct 23 2018, 03:03 AM)
Geng lo ...based on colour ..than you can know the quality  and specifications😂😂😂
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looks like you have no idea at all.
Cant even understand what people trying to say too. cool2.gif

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post Oct 23 2018, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(drewandcutascar @ Sep 22 2018, 05:35 PM)
As a part shop owner and online seller that deals with engine oil of various brands, allow me to shed some light on the industry. EO sold in supermarkets/hypermarkets are usually direct import stock from EU or sourced out from Petronas Malaysia itself. Do take note that their packaging would differ from what we can purchase from petrol stations or reputable part shops. Here is why:

Many do not know that most EO sold in our domestic market are actually packed locally under the authorizations of the respective principles such as BP (Castrol), JXTG (Eneos) or Pennzoil (technically owned by Royal Dutch Shell). There are exceptions where authorized distributors import higher end ranges from mainly Singapore (Mobil 1), Hong Kong (Shell) and or Thailand (Castrol).

These products' packaging may vary to what is found in hypermarkets but rest assured they are deemed genuine oil as well. For example, we would never see the same EO lineup between the official Pennzoil USA and Pennzoil Malaysia sites. UMW is the authorized manufacturer & distributor for Pennzoil in Malaysia, refining and packaging are done locally, hence explaining the lack of the Ultra Platinum range in our domestic market. It's usually either due to higher cost or incompatible formulation for various regions.

As for Castrol, Mobil and Elf, these brands are being sold in our country through regional distributors: Northern (Perlis Kedah Penang Perak), Central (Selangor N9 Malacca) and Southern (Johor Pahang) etc. To me it is a pain in the ass because a Central regional distributor cannot deal with a Perak retailer/wholesaler due to a "No Cross-border" industry policy, vice versa. In short, these are the few companies holding distributorships of major brands monopolizing their "arranged areas".

By this point I'm sure many are spitting and questioning "What about the ones being sold on Lazada, Shopee and other platforms?"

The truth is, most distributors prohibit vendors to market their products online apart from their own official channels. Liqui Moly is actually prohibited to be sold online. Castrol distributors take a 'one eye open one eye close' approach. Which all leads us to this uncertain gray area where most online vendors operate. Some sellers in the online market are actually the distributors themselves, some are major authorized dealers like Vanli, some are small fry like myself and some are what we call bad apples of the industry. As per the ongoing scandals on fake oil, the operations are usually more rampant in KL and Klang Valley areas due to high demand and competitive pricing, but this has now affected other parts of Malaysia because some vendors purchase 'cheap' supplies from hot areas and reselling them at a huge price slash.

Through a few discussions with my own distributors (based in Ipoh, that puts me in the North), we concluded that the lube industry in Malaysia is a vague, competitive wild wild west in expense of the innocent consumers. It is good that KPDNKK are taking complaints, and actions against the bad apples. As a vendor myself, I do acknowledge the accountability that sellers should hold to buyers - to provide genuine quality at a fair price. Though we all know that is not always the case in this flawed system, I urge that consumers to not cheap out on what they put into their vehicles. It is true that most want the best bang for the buck, but very often this demand pushes for the supply of cheap, low quality shady products which exist in our very surrounding.

To ensure your peace of mind, the primary solution is to get services done in your vehicles' respective SC. If the unreasonably high cost is a concern, EO sold in Tesco/Aeon/Giant are definitely legit, do take note that EU formulations and additives might not be the best for our tropical climate but rest assured, they are safe to use. If you have a favorite part/online shop where you frequent, don't feel shy to ask them questions on the product you're buying into, it is your right and their job to enlighten you. IF, the price is too good to be true, it is definitely too good to be true. Shop wisely, carefully but not cheaply! Cheers all smile.gif
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bro, where's ur shop in Ipoh? biggrin.gif
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post Jan 16 2019, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(drewandcutascar @ Sep 22 2018, 05:35 PM)
As a part shop owner and online seller that deals with engine oil of various brands, allow me to shed some light on the industry. EO sold in supermarkets/hypermarkets are usually direct import stock from EU or sourced out from Petronas Malaysia itself. Do take note that their packaging would differ from what we can purchase from petrol stations or reputable part shops. Here is why:

Many do not know that most EO sold in our domestic market are actually packed locally under the authorizations of the respective principles such as BP (Castrol), JXTG (Eneos) or Pennzoil (technically owned by Royal Dutch Shell). There are exceptions where authorized distributors import higher end ranges from mainly Singapore (Mobil 1), Hong Kong (Shell) and or Thailand (Castrol).

These products' packaging may vary to what is found in hypermarkets but rest assured they are deemed genuine oil as well. For example, we would never see the same EO lineup between the official Pennzoil USA and Pennzoil Malaysia sites. UMW is the authorized manufacturer & distributor for Pennzoil in Malaysia, refining and packaging are done locally, hence explaining the lack of the Ultra Platinum range in our domestic market. It's usually either due to higher cost or incompatible formulation for various regions.

As for Castrol, Mobil and Elf, these brands are being sold in our country through regional distributors: Northern (Perlis Kedah Penang Perak), Central (Selangor N9 Malacca) and Southern (Johor Pahang) etc. To me it is a pain in the ass because a Central regional distributor cannot deal with a Perak retailer/wholesaler due to a "No Cross-border" industry policy, vice versa. In short, these are the few companies holding distributorships of major brands monopolizing their "arranged areas".

By this point I'm sure many are spitting and questioning "What about the ones being sold on Lazada, Shopee and other platforms?"

The truth is, most distributors prohibit vendors to market their products online apart from their own official channels. Liqui Moly is actually prohibited to be sold online. Castrol distributors take a 'one eye open one eye close' approach. Which all leads us to this uncertain gray area where most online vendors operate. Some sellers in the online market are actually the distributors themselves, some are major authorized dealers like Vanli, some are small fry like myself and some are what we call bad apples of the industry. As per the ongoing scandals on fake oil, the operations are usually more rampant in KL and Klang Valley areas due to high demand and competitive pricing, but this has now affected other parts of Malaysia because some vendors purchase 'cheap' supplies from hot areas and reselling them at a huge price slash.

Through a few discussions with my own distributors (based in Ipoh, that puts me in the North), we concluded that the lube industry in Malaysia is a vague, competitive wild wild west in expense of the innocent consumers. It is good that KPDNKK are taking complaints, and actions against the bad apples. As a vendor myself, I do acknowledge the accountability that sellers should hold to buyers - to provide genuine quality at a fair price. Though we all know that is not always the case in this flawed system, I urge that consumers to not cheap out on what they put into their vehicles. It is true that most want the best bang for the buck, but very often this demand pushes for the supply of cheap, low quality shady products which exist in our very surrounding.

To ensure your peace of mind, the primary solution is to get services done in your vehicles' respective SC. If the unreasonably high cost is a concern, EO sold in Tesco/Aeon/Giant are definitely legit, do take note that EU formulations and additives might not be the best for our tropical climate but rest assured, they are safe to use. If you have a favorite part/online shop where you frequent, don't feel shy to ask them questions on the product you're buying into, it is your right and their job to enlighten you. IF, the price is too good to be true, it is definitely too good to be true. Shop wisely, carefully but not cheaply! Cheers all smile.gif
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Where is Torco, Chemlube, HKS, Miller's oil in your Higher range? Tak ada also. What about those?
Sports cars in malaysia fill up Millers Nanotech or Chemlube Ester or Torco
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post Jan 17 2019, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(Jedi @ Jan 16 2019, 11:58 PM)
Where is Torco, Chemlube, HKS, Miller's oil in your Higher range? Tak ada also. What about those?
Sports cars in malaysia fill up Millers Nanotech or Chemlube Ester or Torco
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Sports cars use Mobil 1 factory fill most of the time. Like Nissan GTR. Ferrari use Shell. I don’t think any sports car or supercar manufacturer use any of the brands you mentioned as factory fill.

Betul ker those brands are higher range. Sounds like only idiots use those engine oil and void their warranty. BMW M2 and M4 consider sports car? Those use BMW Castrol engine oil.

Subaru BRZ uses Subaru branded oil which is made by Idemitsu.

Which sports car manufacturer use those brands you mention? Please share? Or just stupid owners who got conned by sellers and pour those rubbish in their cars and void their warranty.
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You got to look at the buyers of these cars first. If the guy buys it, and he lazy to think much about it, then send to service center and let them do everything.

The other thing is some of these cars are sold by grey importers as recond car. Definitely very limited warranty. In fact you could say no warranty when you could get almost 50% off from the officially priced one.

But if you are a gear head, you buy the car and want to play around with it, you would not care about warranty. So change wheels, add body kits, flash ECU, change bigger turbo, add support bars, etc.

Flashing ECU to get more power already voids warranty. Which do you think is more likely to kill and engine? Flashing ECU? Or changing to another expensive brand engine oil?

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Any benefit for normal daily car using those 100% fully synthetic blend oil instead of normal production of fully synthetic?

Example like those royale purple oil
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 17 2019, 09:28 AM)
Sports cars use Mobil 1 factory fill most of the time. Like Nissan GTR. Ferrari use Shell. I don’t think any sports car or supercar manufacturer use any of the brands you mentioned as factory fill.

Betul ker those brands are higher range. Sounds like only idiots use those engine oil and void their warranty. BMW M2 and M4 consider sports car? Those use BMW Castrol engine oil.

Subaru BRZ uses Subaru branded oil which is made by Idemitsu.

Which sports car manufacturer use those brands you mention? Please share? Or just stupid owners who got conned by sellers and pour those rubbish in their cars and void their warranty.
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Wow. Ur knowledge is shallow and ur ignorance is laughable

Just bec the company recommends or service centre use that is that the best? What warranty void. Nv mod engine also.

For example Miller oil is using ester based triple formula, torco chemlube has ester based ranges. Those group V based stock oil if coupled with additives are far better than ur capalang castrol group 3 fake full synthetic oil.
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QUOTE(Jedi @ Jan 17 2019, 08:26 PM)
Wow. Ur knowledge is shallow and ur ignorance is laughable

Just bec the company recommends or service centre use that is that the best? What warranty void. Nv mod engine also.

For example Miller oil is using ester based triple formula, torco chemlube has ester based ranges. Those group V based stock oil if coupled with additives are far better than ur capalang castrol group 3 fake full synthetic oil.
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lol

You pour those rubbish in your Ferrari and then ask Naza to honor the warranty la.

Oh wait you too poor buy recon or used Ferrari.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 17 2019, 10:46 PM)
lol

You pour those rubbish in your Ferrari and then ask Naza to honor the warranty la.

Oh wait you too poor buy recon or used Ferrari.
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if a Huracan fill Pertamina engine oil, it will damage the car?

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