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jfleong
post Apr 9 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(rg470 @ Apr 9 2018, 03:21 PM)
Generally if you say you can move here on another temporary visa which also allows you to work (assuming), then it is better to get here first and start working right away. Gain at least 2 or 3 years of AU experience then apply for other permanent visas on shore. This way your chances of getting the visa you wanted is higher, as you are an on-shore applicant, and you pay taxes, your chances of getting the visa is higher IMHO. Heck you can even try to get your employer to sponsor you if you're lucky....

Note: I am not sure what "other visa" do you mean exactly hmm.gif , and most employers here will not hire if you do not own a visa which allows you to work.
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This is skilled dependent visa , is permanent
Other visas are like employer sponsored visa, limited to a few years
I'm at a predicament because if I start working there on a temporary visa, by the time I gain the experience needed for the 5 points, I would have lost 5 points from my age
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post Apr 9 2018, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(jfleong @ Apr 9 2018, 04:23 PM)
This is skilled dependent visa , is permanent
Other visas are like employer sponsored visa, limited to a few years
I'm at a predicament because if I start working there on a temporary visa, by the time I gain the experience needed for the 5 points, I would have lost 5 points from my age
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how they give point based on age?
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post Apr 9 2018, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(jfleong @ Apr 9 2018, 03:23 PM)
This is skilled dependent visa , is permanent
Other visas are like employer sponsored visa, limited to a few years
I'm at a predicament because if I start working there on a temporary visa, by the time I gain the experience needed for the 5 points, I would have lost 5 points from my age
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If you are good enough to be offered an employer sponsored visa (which is recently being revised and made stricter), then I assume you are good at what you are doing (your job). If that is the case, try negotiate with the employer later to get an employer sponsored permanent resident visa. Unless your employer has already said upfront that they don't do that.....

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Virlution
post Apr 9 2018, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ Apr 9 2018, 01:52 PM)
for someone looking at migrating, it only makes sense to convert everything to RM term right now, before he start earning AUD.

I've seen people got their visa granted, flew in and blew their savings before they found a job. Except eating out, everything seems a lot cheaper in dollar terms but they forgot they're spending their reserve that's sitting in RM.

dollar to dollar terms though, I bought a 2 bed 2 bath in Melb CBD (la trobe street) for less than AUD600k, i doubt you can get a 2 bed 2 bath in KL CBD for RM600k

Another major consideration is also your salary package, my mom isnt willing to move because she could earn more in Malaysia as an auditor rather than Australia, if you compare dollar to dollar, it's significantly more... There are plenty of RM20k/month auditor in Malaysia, but a handful are getting AUD20k/month in australia

So yeah, a lot more things you need to consider before you move. Whether you wanna compare prices after conversion, or compare straight in dollars term, depends on your situation.

Tyre prices though, dont forget to include tyre disposal fee, son of a bitch when i realised i need to pay around 100 dollars more for that shit
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You were taken for a ride...lol tire disposal.

If fresh off the boat, stay in rented room, no need to buy white goods or furniture... Have housemates that can bring your around. Live like a dog for 6 month to 2 years and enjoy later.

Waste money renting whole place, just suffer longer... Unless got lot of money can pay down payment for property then different story.

If high flier in Msia, no need migrate la, unless got expect package. Money is king already in Malaysia.
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post Apr 10 2018, 03:39 PM

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Applied for visa after getting nominated by SA. Hope all goes well. Job prospects is definitely a concern.

Migrating not for myself, but for kid's education and future prospects.
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post Apr 10 2018, 06:38 PM

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when you migrate to OZ u need to do it when you are young generally below 30s and have kids and are investing everything you have in the long haul for your kids future



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post Apr 10 2018, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(cjlio1 @ Apr 10 2018, 07:38 PM)
when you migrate to OZ u need to do it when you are young generally below 30s and have kids and are investing everything you have in the long haul for your kids future
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oh i am 39 liao sweat.gif
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post Apr 11 2018, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(jfleong @ Apr 9 2018, 02:26 PM)
My points (predicted)
30 from age (a bit rush, but hopefully can reach by then);
20 English (quite sure can get, my academic IELTS 8.5/9.0 surely general training is easier)
10 Skills (work experience outside AU)
15 Qualification
75 pts. How likely to get the skilled independent visa?
I know can apply but approve is a whole other story

Edit : Maybe another 5 for "community language"
I can also move there on another visa first, gather AU work experience for points, but by then I will lose points from my age category already
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Work experience outside of AU you will need to submit an application for them to assess. Usually will be discounted, eg you claimed 10 years but they will only approve it as 5 years

by community language, do you mean NAATI ? You need to take NAATI exam and pass it in order to claim that 5 points. Used to be easy, not anymore now.

how many points you need depends on your occupation too but if you're interested just submit an EOI.
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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Apr 10 2018, 09:43 PM)
oh i am 39 liao  sweat.gif
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can still make it but you gonna slog like an old cow toiling the soil 24/7 366 days a year and do be afraid to take toilet cleaner jobs as there aint anything you can do in the job market now unless you start your own business, even that its usually either restaurant or selling something i.e. minimarket, health products, sex toys etc.., everything else is already there and present in all burbs, county and states

there are a ton of over 30s Aussies in managerial positions everywhere, new\noob asians typically are bottom rung jobs
you are a SVP or even COO in your home country so what, in OZ you are nothing more then a noob vying for high ranking positions with the locals
unless you are one of those superstar COOs that can turn things around and return high profits or have some kind of invention or selling some kind of unique stuff that you are not able to find in OZ and is in demand.

else dont even think about asking for a high post unless you are damn lucky. this is where you hear all the story of ppl migrating over there thinking they can get better bla bla bla, thats when reality kick you in the nuts and you are forced to come back with your tail between your legs as you have run outta money to survive. then when ppl ask why you come back you will lie and say boring lah, no this no that lah, all farking excuses, you just didnt cut it there

you want to be a manger and work for someone you gotta start young and work from the bottom up, this is where you children comes in.
as mentioned migrating is for the benefit of your children, your life will be sacrificed and forfeited
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post Apr 11 2018, 09:12 PM

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if all paperwork is ready and point enough, a few months done.
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go with agent, if qualify and they take your application guarantee dapat or money back (unless you fail health check)

want to save money, you screw up bye bye migration... I got fren kena, cause say easy onl,y save money, no need agent... regret also too late already.
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post Apr 12 2018, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(Virlution @ Apr 12 2018, 10:38 AM)
go with agent, if qualify and they take your application guarantee dapat or money back (unless you fail health check)

want to save money, you screw up bye bye migration... I got fren kena, cause say easy onl,y save money, no need agent... regret also too late already.
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can get back money? how?
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post Apr 12 2018, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Apr 12 2018, 04:35 PM)
can get back money? how?
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Get back the agent fees only. Not the fees you pay Australia gov.
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post Apr 13 2018, 07:35 AM

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QUOTE(SweetPuff @ Apr 10 2018, 03:39 PM)
Applied for visa after getting nominated by SA. Hope all goes well. Job prospects is definitely a concern.

Migrating not for myself, but for kid's education and future prospects.
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Remember that education wise, new reforms held by senate don't give PRs access to the same level of government support as citizens.

Also trust me education and pressure is better in Malaysia. Half of the cunts I work with can't even spell for shit. You guys have one language.....

SA's primary industries are defense (which you have no access to as a non-citizen due to NS1 vetting) and mining. If you don't have mining experience you're in for a world of hurt.

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Garysydney
post Apr 13 2018, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 13 2018, 07:35 AM)
Remember that education wise, new reforms held by senate don't give PRs access to the same level of government support as citizens.

Also trust me education and pressure is better in Malaysia. Half of the cunts I work with can't even spell for shit. You guys have one language.....

SA's primary industries are defense (which you have no access to as a non-citizen due to NS1 vetting) and mining. If you don't have mining experience you're in for a world of hurt.
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Aust is a socialist country driven heavily on welfare mentality. Govt taxes corporations (30% company tax) and individuals heavily to help finance welfare recipients. This means that high-income earners pay a significant part of their pay in taxes so actually discourages workers to work harder.

Due to Aust being socialist, working in a heavily-unionised workforce is more rewarding and work like that is usually govt-related (public service in federal or state govt, local councils and universities). However, before getting into such positions, you normally need to be Aust citizens and not PRs with job applications very competitive and hard to get shortlisted esp if you are a new migrant. Conditions in these organisations are usually very attractive as they have been hard-fought for by their unions (which is very strong in these organisations). With job security hardly existing now, jobs with these organisations are highly-valued and treasured.

Aust is slowly left behind by more capitalist countries like US and UK where there is not such a strong emphasis on welfare and it would be interesting to see where Aust will be in 10 years time.
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post Apr 13 2018, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Apr 13 2018, 08:16 AM)
Aust is a socialist country driven heavily on welfare mentality. Govt taxes corporations (30% company tax) and individuals heavily to help finance welfare recipients. This means that high-income earners pay a significant part of their pay in taxes so actually discourages workers to work harder.

Due to Aust being socialist, working in a heavily-unionised workforce is more rewarding and work like that is usually govt-related (public service in federal or state govt, local councils and universities). However, before getting into such positions, you normally need to be Aust citizens and not PRs with job applications very competitive and hard to get shortlisted esp if you are a new migrant. Conditions in these organisations are usually very attractive as they have been hard-fought for by their unions (which is very strong in these organisations). With job security hardly existing now, jobs with these organisations are highly-valued and treasured.

Aust is slowly left behind by more capitalist countries like US and UK where there is not such a strong emphasis on welfare and it would be interesting to see where Aust will be in 10 years time.
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lol this year alone based on my last payslip I've paid 99654 dollars of income taxes. Probably by the time the financial year is done I'll be at the 130 mark. And that's with an ATO variation in place for a lower rate.

It is definitely painful.

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post Apr 13 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Apr 13 2018, 09:12 AM)
lol this year alone based on my last payslip I've paid 99654 dollars of income taxes. Probably by the time the financial year is done I'll be at the 130 mark. And that's with an ATO variation in place for a lower rate.

It is definitely painful.
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Wow! Your gross must be a few hundred thousand.
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post Apr 13 2018, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Apr 13 2018, 12:17 PM)
Wow! Your gross must be a few hundred thousand.
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Grossing between $250k to $500k in O&G and you're good at it is pretty normal here.
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post Apr 13 2018, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(Garysydney @ Apr 13 2018, 12:17 PM)
Wow! Your gross must be a few hundred thousand.
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Someone has to support the dole bludgers so they can pay for their goon and winnie blues laugh.gif

Eitherway, you're right, taxes are a big problem here. I'm quite worried that we haven't even implemented all the recommendations from the Henry Tax Review and it has been nearly a decade.

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