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post May 21 2025, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(SehatiSejiwa @ May 21 2025, 04:15 PM)
I beg to differ, EU and US sell solid higher than Core and Solid SFF. Eventhough it is technically an SFF, it's not really a true SFF. Still too thick.
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Yeah my bad. Theres 3 versions of Solid; theres Solid Core, Solid, and Solid SFF (which is the SFF compliant I mentioned, its 2 slot height). Then theres the Amp Extreme.
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post May 21 2025, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(gacktleong @ May 21 2025, 05:23 PM)
if im not mistaken rtx 5070 ti zotac has these varies,

solid <--- discontinued msrp model
solid oc
solid sff
solid core
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All 3 Solids;
-Solid, Solid SFF, Solid Core

has their own OC variants, ie Solid OC, Solid SFF OC, Solid Core OC
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post May 24 2025, 01:40 AM

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5060 apparently wasnt so bad even if it was the card that reviewers couldnt wait to whack it, moreso with Nivida shennanigans about not providing drivers

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In terms of perf uplift theres actually meaningful gains giving a jump up to previous next tier GPU (4060TI). This is actually better than 5060TI (which cant match 4070), 5070 (which cant match 4070TI), 5070TI (which cant match 4080).

Then in terms of value its also some of the best,

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Im sure many will say a lot about its 8GB VRAM, but on a perf level it didnt hamper it so much as to be unplayable. As a GPU for the masses it would be a much worthy successor to 3060 rather than 4060 but that also is a sad disappointment to say that to see even slightly meaningful GPU perf gains is only coming every 2 gens.

Now lets see what AMD will reply with 9060/XT but from the start the price we know will disappoint cool2.gif .
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post May 24 2025, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 24 2025, 12:56 PM)
The VRAM issue will hit hard when it happens. When new games needs more than 8GB, it is problematic. Yeah, I've seen games needs more than 8GB for medium settings 1080p already. Its 2025. They need to stop being stingy with the VRAM. Not all developers going to spend time optimizing for 8GB when consoles already have 16GB. They release games for consoles first due to better anti-piracy.

I would rather pay a little bit more for 12GB at this price point than 8GB. RTX 3060 12GB still on sale at RM1.2kish. Hopefully it gets even cheaper on payday sale. I still will not recommend 4060 8GB or 5060 8GB. 8GB cards is worth less than RM1k for me now. I will jump straight to 5060 Ti 16GB or RX 7800 XT 16GB. Maybe 9060 XT 16GB too.
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Not getting into repeating the 8GB argument again, just that from my own 1st hand experience, there hasnt been the said limitation to convince yet. By the time my GPU cannot perform its time to change anyhow.

And seriously, 3060? Your gonna be disappointed

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Barely able to drive, the 5060 1% lows is higher than its average says a lot how poorly it does. It will soon run out of GPU grunt to play future games faster than it hitting VRAM limit.

Sure it will display out a "better" image at 1440P Ultra gaming than the 5060, a very nice 44FPS slideshow, but a slideshow nevertheless.

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post May 24 2025, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 24 2025, 04:06 PM)
Sure, if you like garbage 8GB for a new card. Go recommend it. Those charts means nothing for the future. I'll be there waiting to make it look bad. I don't recommend stuffs for today or older games.

And 3060 12GB? That depends on user's budget. Hell no to 5060 8GB or 5060 Ti 8GB trash. Rather push for 5060 Ti 16GB or 3060 12GB or something with at least 12GB inbetween. More perfect examples of bringing 8GB to its knees. GPU performance won't help it. Oh, you can get ugly looking game as well.

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Future? Lets talk future then. Using the latest & greatest of recently released game, Doom TDA, comparing 8GB 3060TI with 3060....

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Oh dear, while the 8GB TI is still playable. That 3060 has drop below 60FPS, no bigger VRAM can save that. It was so bad the TI 1% lows was still higher than the average for 3060.

Once you ran out GPU horsepower, its done, its finished.
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post May 25 2025, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ May 24 2025, 07:08 PM)
So, that's your mentality. Like I said, go ahead and recommend on that thread. ID software is one of the good developers. They optimize their game hard. People like you coming here and keep on circling because you don't want to admit defeat. Even when the hardware is garbage. 8GB is even worse for future proofing. It stutters hard when out of VRAM. Or you just love more spoonfeeding.

And you still wanna bring up 3060. That depends on user's budget. If it hits 5060 area, I will just tune it to 5060 Ti 16GB, or Arc B580 12GB if CPU is powerful enough. 5060 or Ti 8GB will not be recommended.
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Defeat? Oh wow! Didnt know it was a contest. Wokayss hooter, heres your prize

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Maybe atas people cannot comprehend but budget class GPU exist for a reason, and if mass majority cant afford a dime more than RM 1500, a 5060 is solid 1080P performer (except for atas people sneering from their 4K throne).

Here is latest steam survey to knock people back into reality

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The only Top10 mid high end GPU came from 2 gens ago (3070). And that also has 8GB. Majority Top10 users are gaming perfectly fine with 8GB or less as people are more likely to game at 1080/1440 low.

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post May 25 2025, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 24 2025, 07:54 PM)
Problem is still the price. It is basically a RTX3070 with modern features. RTX3070 was rm2399 on launch 4 and half years ago, but RTX5060 starts at RM1499.... It should be more like RM1200-1300 for 8GB vram
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Indeed price of GPU (and hardware in general) has gone up but then if you factor in inflation rates has gone up a lot the past few years and that manufacturing cost has gone up too, there is reasonable acceptance that prices cannot remain same same as before. Not in the US and moreso in Msia where our RM swings wildly. Whether the price of RM 1500 is justified level for xx60series card, its up to the market to decide.

In any case, dont buy when the price isnt agreeable. Wait until prices drop, people complain coz they have no patience to wait.

The beauty of nvidia GPUS is they do follow market trends and prices will adjust to sales acceptance levels. When 5000series launched it was overpriced due to its hot sales, now that demand has dropped prices are becoming saner, even below MSRP sometimes.
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post May 25 2025, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ May 25 2025, 01:43 PM)
but that's across 2 generations, meanwhile ampere period was awesome, rtx3070 is close to rtx2080ti...
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Yes Ampere was the last great GPU that had significant generational jump across all tiers (not just xx90 only). I am happy that my 3060TI had jumped 2 tiers above previous gen to fight on par with 2080 Super. After that, xx60 cannot even match previous xx70 anymore much less a tier above like the 3060TI did.

If you have a 3070 its still a very playable card at 1080P with Ultra/High settings nearly 90FPS, despite all the doom & gloom these people make out to be just coz its 8GB VRAM.

Imho performance jump for 5060/TI series was actually better than the jump from 4060 series over 3060 series. Only the higher end (5070s & 5080) are lacking the jump up vs previous gen.

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post May 27 2025, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 27 2025, 09:44 PM)
I just bought msi inspire 5070ti, but i plugged in no display the card fan running. Not sure what problem. My psu 750w tho. Is it maybe the 12pwhr cable bending too much? Cos my case is lianli a4-h2o
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Does your mobo comes with debug LEDS? If no display due to GPU it will stuck on GPU counter. Otherwise can be cable problem.

Since ITX cases usually with riser cable can you try to connect the GPU to your mobo and see again? Also can you try it on another PC just to be sure?
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post May 28 2025, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 27 2025, 10:57 PM)
Tomorrow bring to pc shop see. Cos don have other pc. My mobo dont have debug led. If slot is pcie4.0 shud be no prob using 5070ti kan. Cannot direct connect cos not enuf space lol
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Your have to take the mobo out for troubleshooting then. Since your bringing it to shop, can leave it as so and let the shop find out.
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post May 28 2025, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ May 28 2025, 12:27 PM)
Yeah lucky mine works i tot any bigger issue haha like the bending adapter cable cos the case too small. Shudnt be a prob kan.. btw, if my previous card 3070ti, need to do clean install for driver?
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Preferably you do a DDU before reinstall with fresh new driver. Sometimes old drivers may have bugs that dont get deleted when simply overwriting with new driver.
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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Jun 3 2025, 08:47 AM)
Hey guys, been a long time since my last PC.

Was wondering, is around 2.6k a good price for RTX 5070?

Is Colorful Battle Ax any good?
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Good price, below local MSRP. Grab it while you can.
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QUOTE(John Chaser @ Jun 4 2025, 05:17 PM)
Anyone tried the Stellar Blade demo? Seems smooth on my side but I notice very slight hitching when hitting enemies or loading new scenes. Still playable compared to the horrid Square GOTG game. That one stutters like crazy. Close to impossible to play. Thinking of dropping it completely.
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Unsurprising as SB a UE game. UE are known to have stutter issues.
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QUOTE(justone @ Jun 5 2025, 09:39 PM)
just when i thought they are trying to drop the xx60 cards, now nvidia dropping xx50s? interesting.
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Its still new, nvidia wont be dropping prices anytime soon. But 5050 is long overdue since they skipped a gen.
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 5 2025, 09:24 PM)
5060/Ti 8GB will have hard time with 9060XT 8GB/16GB.
5050? 199 USD please. icon_idea.gif Looks decent to replace the aged 3050.
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I 50/50 predict 5050 will come in at $249/250 unless Nvidia has plan for a 5050TI which in case it will probably drop to 220/230 (the TI will slot at 270/280).
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post Jun 6 2025, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 08:31 AM)
AMD could just make a 96bit 12GB 9060 GRE at $249 and it performs like a 5060. brows.gif
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A 96bit mem bus would kill all reason to have a bigger VRAM. Its similar back in the days where 64bit GPU has huge 512MB VRAM but still loses to 128bit GPU with smaller 256MB but faster VRAM.
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 01:49 PM)
That is not a general rule. AMD's design has less dependent on RAM bandwidth and you have already seen it the current 9060/9070. It is achieved through better precomputation pruning and compression.

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If you shift to the LLM scene, larger memory still has the advantage of loading entire network layers into the GPU. Lower bandwidth only causes the inference to run slower, but still way faster than having some of the layers handled by CPU. Well in this scenario, 5060 Ti 16GB is actually quite a lot faster than 9060 XT 16GB with it's GDDR7. Games are just simply having more well-known, opportunistic & human perception-based optimizations than the brute forcing in AI.
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Actually its the opposite where Radeons are more affected by mem architecture. Heres what TPU Wiz has to say: "Historically, it has also been the case that AMD's memory management isn't as good as NVIDIA's, which probably means that the 8 GB 9060 XT will have a harder time dealing with memory shortages than NVIDIA's card."
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And as for using consumer grade GPU for AI... I would say that I will condemn such practices as much as using GPU for mining. Both incidents which had shortages in gaming GPU and hiking skyhigh prices. I curse those crypto bros and now AI bros.
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 02:14 PM)
Nope, it is not about 8GB or 16GB. It is relative comparison of 9060XT vs 5060 Ti. wink.gif
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Its what Wiz is talking about, between 8GB 9060XT and 5060TI, the memory limitations (VRAM size, bus width, PCIE speed) will hit that Radeon harder compared to Geforce. You can only strangle so much the bandwith just to cram in as much VRAM that it becomes detrimental instead. Bus width shouldnt g below 128bit (much like cutting PCIE lanes too).


QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Jun 6 2025, 02:14 PM)
Consumer card is not for AI bros. They opt for used workstation cards instead for way larger amount of memory. wink.gif The richer one will too opt for new workstation cards. The issue is NVIDIA's chip allocation strategy on consumer vs workstation since both share the same chip. NVIDIA earns way more from selling workstation cards.
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4090 and 5090 are consumer cards yet go figure why are they constantly in shortage and where they actually end up. Even 3090TI in 2nd hand market are getting hot for that particular reason. I hate jerkwads that buys up these GPUS for other purpose than gaming.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jun 6 2025, 09:34 PM)
5070TI for $3827 is that a good price?
More expensive than 5070 non TI by $1200 but also faster by 30% according to Techpowerup chart
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MSRP is RM 3890 so that price is slightly under MSRP. Decent price considering how expensive it was when launched and scalping.

Geforce prices are unexpectedly dropping much faster unlike Radeon prices which are going up. LOL

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