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post Mar 11 2022, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 10 2022, 11:43 PM)
Payment channel:
https://www.kwsp.gov.my/member/contribution...lf-contribution

Easiest way is just to online transfer direct to your EPF account no. No need any form.
It should be available witin 3 business days. If you are worried, test with a small sum eg. RM50 first.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 9 2022, 12:06 AM)
Can you perhaps try to ask this question at their FB page, via PM.

I could, but I just shoot them yesterday coz my self-contribution was missing  laugh.gif So cannot ask too soon.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 9 2022, 12:10 AM)
well, the interest calculation is daily rest, so technically your mom don't have to worry about when she takes the money and kena penalty (forfeit her interest).

The next 2 points may not be too relevant for your mom, but they are benefits:
a) The money inside is creditor/bankruptcy remote, very similar to life insurance policy: meaning the balance inside cannot be touched even when she is declared bankrupt. 

b) the money inside will be disbursed immediate to the nominated beneficiaries independent of the process of execution of will/estate (this better say carefully as some elderly people are quite pantang)

But to me the best part is the dividend rate is far superior to FD rates, and it is daily rest.
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QUOTE(cms @ Mar 9 2022, 12:19 AM)
Maybe when u have kids your views could change. Hahahha
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 9 2022, 01:57 PM)
Why don't just try live chat first at their website or call them? Maybe will get you the info.
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I just give a call to EPF, yes, we can open a normal conventional account for our mum on behalf, however there is a caveat, as long as your parent is below age 75, still can open account, but once passed 75, no longer can deposit money, can only maintain the account and withdraw the money.

And it is recommended to use e-banking to perform contribution to EPF, because over the counter, they have limited up to RM 500 maximum to deposit.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 14 2022, 01:43 PM)
I just give a call to EPF, yes, we can open a normal conventional account for our mum on behalf, however there is a caveat, as long as your parent is below age 75, still can open account, but once passed 75, no longer can deposit money, can only maintain the account and withdraw the money.

And it is recommended to use e-banking to perform contribution to EPF, because over the counter, they have limited up to RM 500 maximum to deposit.
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Thank you for the update.

Didn't realize that there is such a small RM 500 limit for in-person contribution. This applies to cash only or also for cheque?
although I agree online transfer is easier...
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:49 PM)
Thank you for the update.

Didn't realize that there is such a small RM 500 limit for in-person contribution. This applies to cash only or also for cheque?
although I agree online transfer is easier...
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Cash only, good question, i didn't ask about cheque, sorry about that.

Yea, online transfer is easier but my parent, not tech savvy.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 14 2022, 01:43 PM)
I just give a call to EPF, yes, we can open a normal conventional account for our mum on behalf, however there is a caveat, as long as your parent is below age 75, still can open account, but once passed 75, no longer can deposit money, can only maintain the account and withdraw the money.

And it is recommended to use e-banking to perform contribution to EPF, because over the counter, they have limited up to RM 500 maximum to deposit.
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post Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 14 2022, 01:54 PM)
Cash only, good question, i didn't ask about cheque, sorry about that.

Yea, online transfer is easier but my parent, not tech savvy.
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Maybe they scare Duit Haram...there is a recent story of a robber who robs the bank and then not much latter tries to bank in RM350k CASH into another bank....doh.gif
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Thanks alot bro
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haha, i need to reiterates again, because I may convey the message well enough. <75 years old age, can open EPF account, deposit any amount <60k per annum and make full withdrawal anytime. Once >75 years old, no longer can open EPF account or make any deposit into the existing EPF account. But can still maintain the existing EPF account, and can only make withdrawals.

QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Maybe they scare Duit Haram...there is a recent story of a robber who robs the bank and then not much latter tries to bank in RM350k CASH into another bank....doh.gif
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Oh make sense. Good guess.
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post Mar 14 2022, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 14 2022, 01:54 PM)
Cash only, good question, i didn't ask about cheque, sorry about that.

Yea, online transfer is easier but my parent, not tech savvy.
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No worries... i guess EPF didn't want to hire extra security at their branches and do not want to handle AMLA issues. Online transfer is cleaner from their point of view.

Well, I believe you can help your parents to transfer money in. nothing stopping a third party from sending money in, if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 02:17 PM)
No worries... i guess EPF didn't want to hire extra security at their branches and do not want to handle AMLA issues. Online transfer is cleaner from their point of view.

Well, I believe you can help your parents to transfer money in. nothing stopping a third party from sending money in, if not mistaken.
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Yes you are right. EPF told me , any third party can send and contribute money in. No problem, just need to key in EPF account details correctly
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post Mar 14 2022, 02:36 PM

 
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Imagine started to save in epf from age 14.

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 14 2022, 02:00 PM)
haha, i need to reiterates again, because I may convey the message well enough. <75 years old age, can open EPF account, deposit any amount <60k per annum and make full withdrawal anytime. Once >75 years old, no longer can open EPF account or make any deposit into the existing EPF account. But can still maintain the existing EPF account, and can only make withdrawals.
Oh make sense. Good guess.
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Very clear 😁 now to convince my mom
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 03:00 PM)
Very clear 😁 now to convince my mom
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Haha same here, need to convince too.
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QUOTE(c64 @ Mar 14 2022, 01:57 PM)
Maybe they scare Duit Haram...there is a recent story of a robber who robs the bank and then not much latter tries to bank in RM350k CASH into another bank....doh.gif
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 14 2022, 02:17 PM)
No worries... i guess EPF didn't want to hire extra security at their branches and do not want to handle AMLA issues. Online transfer is cleaner from their point of view.

Well, I believe you can help your parents to transfer money in. nothing stopping a third party from sending money in, if not mistaken.
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 14 2022, 03:00 PM)
Very clear 😁 now to convince my mom
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Just wanted to know is this true?

I told someone this idea and he told me that he hasn’t been honestly declaring his income to LHDN. If he contribute to EPF, later Kena LHDN flagged and investigated .

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 16 2022, 09:02 PM)
Just wanted to know is this true?

I told someone this idea and he told me that he hasn’t been honestly declaring his income to LHDN. If he contribute to EPF, later Kena LHDN flagged and investigated .
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Cannot discount this posibility as they are both government entity after all and LHDN arm is far and reaching.

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 16 2022, 09:02 PM)
Just wanted to know is this true?

I told someone this idea and he told me that he hasn’t been honestly declaring his income to LHDN. If he contribute to EPF, later Kena LHDN flagged and investigated .
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possibility is always there, and nowadays, everything is recorded electronically. All one need is a smart, honest and focused data scientist to do the necessary reconciliation of the 2dataset, and that is it. This is ignoring the fact that EPF will be guarding their member’s list and info viciously while LHDN will not be sharing their data right?

In reality, for the next X years (X is for you to guess), nothing of this sort will happen. The system/politicians will not encourage this as it would also mean that such “process” can be used to catch them as well. Data does not discriminate.... If people are flagged, means someone “corrupt” has to filter the list in order not to accidentally kena politicians.

(remember the first time BPR/N or whatever it was called, a certain ex-PM’s wife also can get the monetary help from gov despite being so rich with bags of cash. To mean it shows that we really don’t have such talents to do so much work).

Disclaimer: this is all for fun and discussion only. God knows what can or cannot be done in Malaysia. Look at LHDN needing to prove that a tax payer need to pay tax and not the other way around.... never heard of.




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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 16 2022, 09:39 PM)
Cannot discount this posibility as they are both government entity after all and LHDN arm is far and reaching.
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QUOTE(Wedchar2912 @ Mar 16 2022, 09:51 PM)
possibility is always there, and nowadays, everything is recorded electronically. All one need is a smart, honest and focused data scientist to do the necessary reconciliation of the 2dataset, and that is it. This is ignoring the fact that EPF will be guarding their member’s list and info viciously while LHDN will not be sharing their data right?

In reality, for the next X years (X is for you to guess), nothing of this sort will happen. The system/politicians will not encourage this as it would also mean that such “process” can be used to catch them as well. Data does not discriminate.... If people are flagged, means someone “corrupt” has to filter the list in order not to accidentally kena politicians.

(remember the first time BPR/N or whatever it was called, a certain ex-PM’s wife also can get the monetary help from gov despite being so rich with bags of cash. To mean it shows that we really don’t have such talents to do so much work). 

Disclaimer: this is all for fun and discussion only. God knows what can or cannot be done in Malaysia. Look at LHDN needing to prove that a tax payer need to pay tax and not the other way around.... never heard of.
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I see. Thank you so much to both of you notworthy.gif
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All of us will threaten to withdraw if they go tiered but how many will actually withdraw all?


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Looking at the grand scheme of things politically; it can be deduced that EPF would not be able to serve it’s objective / mandate.

What’s even more perplexing is there are segments of society who thinks that the top contributors @ ‘the rich’ are the ones benefitting the most out of the dividend payouts; hence they should be ‘punished’ by lowering their payouts via the tiering system.

Such flawed views is the result of poor financial literacy / simple-mindedness. The local financial market is going to be very interesting should the tiering system comes to fruition.

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All of us will threaten to withdraw if they go tiered but how many will actually withdraw all?
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The thing is, even if wanted to withdrawal, we can’t withdrawal out. And it is by law , EPF is mandatory for employees in Malaysia. Basically, like it or not, they can do whatever they want
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 17 2022, 04:26 PM)
The thing is, even if wanted to withdrawal, we can’t withdrawal out. And it is by law , EPF is mandatory for employees in Malaysia. Basically, like it or not, they can do whatever they want
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Those reached 55 can withdraw all. Those 50 can sapu Acc2. Just reduce it as much as possible.
.those below 50, use it buy house, invest and find other ways. Probably will need to work with Employer on how to reduce future contribution if possible

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