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post Mar 4 2022, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(Bendot @ Mar 2 2022, 06:17 PM)
I dont see any problem taking out your epf money when you reach 55. Nobody that i know of have withdrawal problem taking out their epf money...and quite a few of them have savings in excess of 750k. Some opt not to withdraw at all as they are still working and no need of it at the time.
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Yep,. Exactly. Fear Mongers has been singing the same tune since Unker started working. Now unker almost retired, fear Mongers still singing same song. I know retiree who have tons in their EPFs. And they don't even need to touch their principals and just live on dividend can get comfortable life.

Better for fear Mongers to keep their money under their bed and more EPF for the rest of us. Huat Ah!
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post Mar 4 2022, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(sweetpea123 @ Mar 4 2022, 01:57 AM)
for someone already in the 50s, I have not much to worry about that cos I am a couple of years from withdrawal age, which explains the reason I only max the self-contribution in recent years.

For those younger people out there, you can save at your discretion.
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Same here bro. Already can take out Acc 2 if needed to. Now just hentam self contribution until 55. After 55, the further contributions will get stuck another 5 years till 60 in Akaun Emas, that I am not keen. Not planning to self contribute anymore after 55.
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post Mar 4 2022, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(rtk74 @ Mar 4 2022, 10:00 AM)
Serious question, boleh choose until 16%?

The companies I worked with gave option for either 9% or 11%
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Self contribute 16% of his own salary lah. 100% also can. As long per year < RM60k. If you put in more, the money will get tendang balik to your account. LOL.

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post Mar 4 2022, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 4 2022, 10:21 AM)
Yes, you can choose more than that.

Need to go fill up a form, then ask your HR/ Boss to sign to approve employee contribution. I sent the form myself to EPF, and they will process it within 1-2 months.

If I am not mistaken, the total contribution (employer + employee) cannot be  more than 50 % ( if i remember correctly) of your gross salary.

so if your company is paying 13% , you can opt to pay up  your portion up to 37%
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Oh i didn't know, HR can do this for you? Must tell my niece and nephews!

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post Mar 4 2022, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(Roadwarrior1337 @ Mar 4 2022, 10:37 AM)
My view is 60k reinvested in epf in these days is a little waste
Invest in crypto is better
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Nope. It depends on many factors. Your age, your total portfolio, your risk appetite, and your overall retirement plan.

If i can already hit my target, there is no need for me to risk cryptos in my portfolio. Just put a little bit to play is ok. treat it like lottery ticket. IMO, unregulated cryptos will sink once every gov has their own regulated cryptos.
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post Mar 4 2022, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(meors @ Mar 4 2022, 04:08 PM)
how about contribute to PRS? the difference is it's not forced savings
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Isn't PRsmS just like typical.unit trust fund? Purpose of PRS mainly to lari some Cukai only.
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post Mar 4 2022, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Mar 4 2022, 02:08 PM)
lol kesian you unker... borders closed... cannot go anywhere.  i pray that this pandemic will end soon...  my mother also itching to travel.
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That comment from 2018 is wrong.

EPF pays dividend until you are 100. Likely you die first Unless you have injected yourself with the Madey vaccine.


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post Mar 4 2022, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(gaijin @ Mar 4 2022, 05:33 PM)
I assume self contribution is calculated based on pro-rated ?

If put in now (March) .... its calculated 10 months ? Or by days divide by 365 ?

hmm
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Doesn't matter, just dump in.
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post Mar 4 2022, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 4 2022, 07:14 PM)
You did good, I wish I had the insight to contribute more when I was younger.  But there are more employers these days opting for contract work which they don't have to pay EPF.  I think this is the loophole the government should look into.  I was in such employment for few years.  sad.gif
The compounding interest from EPF will work its magic once you reach a certain threshold.

I would say when it reaches 500K, you will really see it getting very significant.
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There are pros and cons with everything. You contribute more early, when your financial is not strong yet, where are you going to get money if you need it? Also, for young people, it's better to invest in more aggressive growth vehicles. Because you have time on your side. Once you grow older, achieve your targets, you can be less agressive and put more into EPF and FDs. When near retirement, it's time to protect capital at all costs. And EPF will beat FDs by almost 3 times. Besides, you will be able to access it soon once hits 55.

But of course provided the above goes according to plan. Example if you all in Bitcoin and Bitcoin collapse tomorrow, you might not achieve what you want by 55 and may not have extra money to throw into EPF.

So it all depends on your condition.

There is a school of thought that says you should invest X(Agressive):Y(Conservative) ratio according to your age.

X=100 - your age. Example, if you are 25, you can invest 75% in Agressive growth and 25% in conservative instruments.

But of course, this is just a general rule and your personal situation should be taken into account.
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post Mar 4 2022, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(h4r8_kIlLeR @ Mar 4 2022, 08:46 PM)
lul... then what is the point of all this money if cant spend
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As long you live got free money lor, fair what.
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post Mar 6 2022, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Mar 4 2022, 11:40 PM)
Just have to factor in inflation as well  smile.gif
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If you are debt free and have 1.5mil and above and some properties(paid off). It really doesn't matter for normal inflation. You old already can't eat much, wanna travel also kaki lembik.

Just live a moderate life and it would be ok.

But remember to plan for your medical protection or you can be screwed.
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post Mar 6 2022, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(N9484640 @ Mar 6 2022, 09:27 AM)
whats the difference between i-Saraan and just do Self Contribution?

anyway total of both also cannot be more than 60k right?
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QUOTE(wjchay @ Mar 6 2022, 09:33 AM)
I saraan for self employed but EPF gives back 15% max rm250 as incentive. I'm not sure if employed can still do i saraan. Also must register OTC at EPF for I saraan.
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Cannot. Must be unemployed, retired, suri rumah, students etc. Janji not employed.

The RM250 just like gov angpow. Anyway, i believe it will ends in another 1 or 2 years unless they extend it.

Just dump into Self Contribution.
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post Mar 6 2022, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 5 2022, 12:32 PM)
1 million in EPF with no debt - very decent life. Probably can dine out every weekend won't feel pinch. Can go local holiday every 2-3 months. But no big ticket items such as car replacement. oversea holiday probably once in a year. May be affected by inflation, so need to keep track of spending. Need to really "think" a few times before purchasing iphone / laptop / holiday trip.

2 million ,  decent life + replace car every 7 years. oversea trip 2-3 times a year.  Quite resistant to inflation.

3 million, technically a "rich" retiree. Can get iphone/ laptop/ etc without much hesitation.

p/s a banker who used to work for foreign bank told me that 5 million cash is the standard of very comfortable life after retirement.. She probably talking about 5 million in Fixed Deposits with return of 3-4% pa.
All the above only possible IF
1. you have health  ( so please invest in health, get some swimming lessons, eat properly)
2. your children don't come back to bug you with their family/ divorce/ ah long/ debt / gambling problem
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Good write up! thumbsup.gif

Yes, i agreed, RM5 mil is the gold standard of a very comfortable life. Basically USD1 mil.

Frankly i think RM1mil is quite risky. A networth of RM2-3 mil with stocks, EPFs, properties (to generate income), cash is quite safe with a portfolio balanced towards liquidity.

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post Mar 6 2022, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Mar 4 2022, 11:24 PM)
One million in EPF is a good point to retire whatever age you're at. The 50-60k++ dividend is enough for you to live off at about RM5k or so of nett, tax free, spending money a month... especially if you have no commitments.
If you hit that at age 55, good. If you hit at age 45, great.

It's not a luxurious living but can retire and do what you really love and really get to live your life, your way. Not bad right?

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Hits the spot for me. I really don't care about expensive cars or Bungalows. I am trying to pratice minimalism. The less objects i have, the happier i am. I keep on getting rid of stuff by selling or giving them away.

The ability to do whatever you want and Financially Free=Fucking priceless.

Doesn't matter if i sits here watch grass grow all day, as long as i enjoys it. laugh.gif
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post Mar 6 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Mar 6 2022, 01:01 PM)
Yes, 1 million is OK but have very little room for maneuver . For example need to repair home once in 10-15 years, unexpected expenses (medical bill , some items may not be covered, cataract surgery lense, etc). Fixing an aging car all need money or give money to parents/ siblings relatives that need emergency money..
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post Mar 6 2022, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(ScooterBoi @ Mar 6 2022, 05:11 PM)
The drop dead amount was USD 2 million.

From urban dictionary...

"The term comes from a character in the James Clavell novel, “Taipan”. A character in that novel, a lady executive has the objective to have “drop dead money”. The “drop dead money” is that amount of money that she calculates she needs so that she would have the freedom and the luxury to tell anyone to “drop dead” without worrying about her financial security.

Actually, it was in another novel I read, Nobel House, published in the 80s. The lady executive was

Casey Tcholok – Kamalian Ciranoush (K.C.) Tcholok, vice-President of Par-Con Industries.

At that time, in the 80s, the drop dead money was about M$2 million. Now RM 6 million.
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I don't buy this. It's too simplicistic. Unker can already ask anyone to drop dead.
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post Mar 6 2022, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(ScooterBoi @ Mar 6 2022, 05:37 PM)
Try saying to your boss!

The drop dead amount, which you see as 'gold standard' is in USD, hardly changes over time.

$2million is about rm6million. This is the amount for luxurious travel, and making a fuss over little things... telling them idiots to drop dead or fuck off! LoL smile.gif
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US standard doesn't apply to Malaysia. Many average ang mohs can live like King in Thais and they don't have millions.

PS: Ayam fired Boss liao.

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post Mar 6 2022, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(ScooterBoi @ Mar 6 2022, 05:49 PM)
In that case, 1 million in cash and no more debts and housing loan and car loan all paid up is more than enough.

But no annual holidays in the swiss alps and telling anyone there to go die la you over small small things. LoL.
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Unker wanna go Japan also kennot. Got money also no chat use now.
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post Mar 6 2022, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(KIP21 @ Mar 6 2022, 08:34 PM)
So, how much mil ( in EPF + cash + investment ) can go Swiss apps and tell there to go die la you over small things? Say no debt and. already got house and car ... Ehh, also include wife ( same not working ) ok?

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Nobody can answer for you but yourself. You need to draw out a retirement plan, how much you need to spend post retirement and figure it out.
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post Mar 6 2022, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(KIP21 @ Mar 6 2022, 08:58 PM)
"3 million, technically a "rich" retiree. Can get iphone/ laptop/ etc without much hesitation." ...

I think this a good estimate. Wouldn't spend much when old and eat less too. A meal with a soup, fish and vegetables sound pretty good already. House got Lio, car got Lio..so just small trip here there look see and enjoy will do ... lots of money also when the day comes, ..wouldnt be bringing the money with me anyway
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Ask your lawyer to cash out and convert all to Hell's Money and burn for you. laugh.gif

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