if you are even considering imu as an option, i would presume you are fully aware of the financial implication of the 3 years in 1st world and able to afford it........

in which case, there is really no debate, imu-pms is definitely better.....you will get a well recognised qualification, and if you plan right, be able to stay back and do postgraduate training, or even settle there.......

russia suffers from the bad reputation the recruitment agents inflict on it, by many dubious practices, and self inflicted by poor selection of candidates, and some dubious practices themselves.....and from the fact healthcare, and the way medicine is practiced, is quite different from the western world........

one thing quite different between imu, and most other ipta/ipts, is the amount of 'teaching' you receive....it's little, prompting many to criticise it for being 'crappy', ie little spoon feeding....you are guided and expected to study yourself.......that prepares students well generally......

finally, imu will require higher grades to get in, although it is still pretty easy compared to direct entry to the pms......but if you slack/or is borderline qualified, be prepared to be flunked out.....they WILL fail you if you don't make the cut, they need to satisfy standards set by the receiving pms.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 15 2008, 11:27 PM

and that is?

it would be useful for people to know the decision making process, as many face the same issues.......

while some people go to imu-pms for some cost savings (those with borderline finances, 90k is a lot), i suspect the majority are there because they could not get into these pms directly.....ie, it is a backdoor entry into 1st world med schools.......that is why all the pms do NOT allow any citizens or PRs to twin back to the country......and canada prohibits imu pathway graduates from doing internship there......

the equivalent of imu's 2 1/2 years is between 2 to 3 years depending on where you intend to go to......eg most oz schools and both nz schools are 6 year programmes......it appears that you are set on uk, so yes, there probably be no major difference in total fees. like stated above, there is NO guarantee where one ends up, until sem 5, and usually the result is only known just before the final exams........but based on current developments in the uk immigration laws, i suspect that in coming years, there will be less interest in uk, and probably easier to get you choices there....

and i agree with hypermax, that it is unlikely that a med school student will have the time to do any significant part time work, so that at best will be pocket money, and contribute nothing to the fees.......

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Added on August 16, 2008, 11:51 ami think there is a limit to the hours you can work during term time......in oz, it is 20hrs/week, and unlimited during breaks.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 16 2008, 11:51 AM

by that i presume that finance is not an issue, and you do have an offer from imu, and your a-levels results recently released meets the cut off.........

still begs the question, why consider russia at all.....? most people go there because 1. they cannot afford better places and/or 2. their results are too poor to get in anywhere else.........

no correct......they have moved to a graduate entry programme, so the batches me1 and me2/08 will feed into the last undergraduate cohort there in 2011........after that, it's only graduate entry, so undergraduate students from imu cannot feed in any more......

uwa and unsw are undergraduate programes.......

as are a few others, ie utas, jcu, bond, monash, adelaide, and newcastle........

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Added on September 27, 2008, 9:20 amthat is again not true........the exact title of the melbourne new graduate entry medicine programme is still unknown as it awaits approval......

http://coursesearch.unimelb.edu.au/coursed...terest&sterm=28

there is lots of confusion as to the difference between the medical degrees awarded, md is a us way, and adopted by some msian unis, and mbbs/mbchb is a british way, used throughout the commonwealth.......and they are considered equivalent.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 27 2008, 09:21 AM

monash msia will award the same degree as monash clayton......so technically it should be recognised by mmc.......

however, while it is recognised by the amc, the status of the graduates as regards internship in oz (important in getting flll registration in oz) is unknown, as the right to work is decided by immigration......and based on current rules, monash msian mbbs graduates cannot work in oz.....they will need to apply for work or pr visas.....which will take some time, and they probably will not qualify as they will not have enough points......

it is because of this uncertainty that some students decided to reject monash in favour of imu.......although generally, it is more difficult to get into monash than imu.....

spore has always been selective in their recognition of overseas medical graduates........they still do not recognise some uk/oz med schools......so of course they will not recognise monash msia, which they view as a separate med school, although it's the same syllabus, and degree......and with the new creature called 'twinned' medical graduates, they had to make some grounds rules........recognising the clinical component being the most crucial component.....

msia on the other hand has long recognised many tom d*** and harry med degrees........they number more than 150 at last count......

the status of melb u and imu is unclear at this point.......will only affect the intake from next year anyway.......medt108 and me208 will not be affected.....

rotfl.........

if you pass all your exams........

most new med schools do not use cadavers anymore......they use models, and computer simulation......actually makes little difference.......

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Added on October 19, 2008, 1:11 pmthere is a list given out in sem 5.....lists all the pms, the fees and living costs, and the number of places available.......the actually details will of course change from year to year....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Oct 19 2008, 01:11 PM

there are NO choices for what you want to study in med school....EVERYTHING is CORE.....

imagine next time, you see a patient, you tell them: 'sorry, cannot treat you, i didn't take the elective on vector bourne diseases....'.

incorrect.....when you apply to imu, you MUST indicate which stream you want......either the pms stream or local stream........once chosen, you are not allowed to change stream, except in exceptional circumstances......

which batch?..........yes, each course, and for medicine, each of the 2 batches yearly have different timetables.........

anyone knows the eos2 results for medt1/08 just released this morning?

because they want to make money from you........as much as possible......you think they will train you as a doctor, a foreigner from some unknown sea country out of the goodness of their heart?......

because it is a lot harder to get direct entry into oz.......ter98 and above compared to ter91 in imu......

uk is easier, and the cost savings through imu is small, so direct entry into uk is a good alternative.....

imu is slow this year in coming out with their academic calender for 2009.......while one can get an idea what it will be like, it is likely not going to be the same, as the calender works around week long breaks for the major festivals...........

no

no

monash is NOT a pms of imu.........

there is NO guarantee of right to work in any other country of which you are not a citizen......

you have not even got a place, let alone started med school and you are already talking about specialising.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 16 2008, 10:09 PM