actually, good med schools have a high initial failure rate, in spite of stringent selection process.......eg ucl in london also has a 20% 1st year failure rate, in spite of practically all students going in with 3a's.......it's a way of waking people up, filtering out those who are not interested.......these students, once they ramp up their concentration, will pass........those who lost interest will drop out.......

as for ipta, there is no need to be secretive about it.......the 'pass spectrum' is VERY wide, so hardly anyone fails.......those who got in on real merit hardly have to break a sweat to just pass.......that is a FACT......the trick is to get in, in the first place, that's the toughest part......

if you have a borderline fail, you will be asked to refer the exam in a few weeks......

if you grades are a clear fail, you may be asked to repeat, either 2nd sem, or even start at 1st sem again.........

if your grades are very poor, you will be asked to withdraw from the course.....

there are 2 reasons why people fail in imu (and msian med schools in general)......one is they lack interest and concentration, and/or play around too much............the other is, due to the lax selection criteria, many unsuitable candidates are allowed to 'try'.........and many will find it academically beyond their intellectual capacity to cope......

you could improve your english first so we can understand?.......in any case, imu would want you to have ielts 7.0.........

for the record, in order to get registered with the british pharmacy board, you need to spend 2 full years in the uk, so the original 2 1/2+1 programme is NOT recognised for registration in uk......hence they re-designed another programme 2+2 which will then allow graduates to register and work in uk.....

p/s and i seriously cannot understand what glycogen is trying to say.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 21 2008, 07:47 PM

all i can say is, i am dismayed at you english, and general lack of knowledge about a course and profession which you profess interest in......god help the people of msia......

Q1: can your parents afford the fees?

Q2: do you have or can you achieve ter 91?

yes they will........the offer will be conditional on meeting the cut off......you will need to convert your foundation scores into the ter equivalent........and while the minimum in the prospectus is 85, last intake cut off is 91.......some batches as high as 95, but still lower than those required for direct entry into oz undergraduate........getting 91 is quite easy, so almost everyone can qualify........

80 is the aggregate.....out of max of 90......

grades are out of 20/subject.......

4 best subjects.......max 80
1/2 of 5th subject.......max 10

total max 90
minimum to enter 80........

uq is graduate entry........

80 is NOT the ter score......it's aggregate.......

http://www.imu.edu.my/pros_un_medicine_entry.html

define 'good'.........

matrik......

is this room still available? someone may be interested.

i think one has to differentiate between the imu local degree, and the twinning PMS option.....the local mbbs(imu) is only recognised in msia and srilangka......but the pms med schools have wider recognition, depending on where one twins to.......one actually becomes a student of the recepient uni, and nobody will know which pathway you came from once you graduate........

postgraduate medical training usually is a hands-on work based programme, with both supervised work and exam components........and means actually treating patients.....

if you cannot register as a medical practitioner in a country, you cannot treat patients.....

therefore, in general, if your degree is not recognised, you cannot work and train in that country.......

exceptions would be exam-only qualifications, eg mrcp(uk).......or special limited registration for fellowships on a gov-gov or uni-uni basis which is usually for sub-specialty training......

alternatively, you can get yourself recognised, usually through exams, eg umsle (us), amc(oz), plab (uk)........before starting on the lowest rung and try work you way up, and hopefully get a training job (yes, working there does NOT mean you are training, you need to be in a recognised training job for that)...........

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Added on August 6, 2008, 6:06 pmp/s, latest news from uk, international medical graduates (ie people who did NOT graduate from UK or eu countries) are now barred from training jobs......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 6 2008, 06:06 PM

it's to do with complying with european union laws and rules.....many aspects affected, including working time restrictions, making it difficult to gather enough work time experience needed for training......the nhs trusts, profession and patients are not happy with this either........

in any case, the vestiges of the british empire ala the commonwealth is crumbling, and their commitment to their former colonies is waning, with new commitment to europe........really now, why do they need to offer jobs and training to us now?.......they have no more obligation........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 6 2008, 10:52 PM

all international students graduates of british med school will be allowed to stay for the 2 foundation years........beyond that, it gets hazy.......the rules are being litigated at the moment.......

a likely outcome is that these students will be considered 'home' students, and allowed to compete for work beyond the 2 fy's.......and probably also considered 'home' doctors, allowed to undertake numbered (ie training) jobs.......but don't take my word for it........i can't foresee the future.........

there was a lot of confusion when the new policy was announced in april 2006........and i guess your friend from notts got caught in the confusion......it is now clear that all be allowed to stay at least for the 2 fy's........beyond that, like i said, it's at the appeal courts at the moment..........so yes, there is much uncertainty......

breaking news.......uk trained doctors with the full 2 fy's and gmc registered are now allowed to apply for work in oz, and need NOT sit for the amc exams.....how long this window of opportunity will remain open, time will tell.....my guess, another 3-4 years, when increased oz med school intake will graduate and a slowing economy will result in surplus again, and the door will close again......

announced august 2007.......

people getting into uk med schools now will likely miss the boat......

cheapest is get into ipta........

mrcp is one of the easiest postgrad exam to do........

masters is the only option left for surgical postgraduate in msia........you have no choice.....