there wouldn't be 'lesser' students, just that the cut-off is likely lower, ie people with weaker results will be admitted.......

offers are made based on meeting cut-offs......as people decline offers, the cut-off will be lowered, and further 2nd selection offers will be given to those who initially failed to meet the cut-off.....they will take in as many people as there are places, ie FILL all seats available.........

they however will maintain standards especially for the pms stream, and the attrition rate may be more for the feb batch compared to the aug batch........

i think it is currently more difficult to get australasia than uk, due to the very limited no. of places available compared to uk........most private students will also want to match to oz.........

there is a further step in the algorithm.......due to the finite places available per uni........places in any uni will be filled by those higher in the uni's ranking first......so even if your Y is lowest for a particular uni, if there are people ranked higher than you, they will get the places, and your algorithm will move to your NEXT lowest Y.........

yes, the final determinant is actually the student's grades, because most unis will rank the students based purely or predominantly on grades........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 18 2009, 07:54 PM

they do not need results to consider applications and interviews, but sept is plenty of time to apply with your trial results......you may get a provisional offer citing a minimum cut-off.......you will get your final results from sabsa by december before christmas, and if you meet or exceed the cut-off, the offer becomes firm and you have to pay up quickly (usually before end of dec) to confirm your place......

by december?.........no, you should apply when you have your forcast/trial results, and choose a convenient interview date.......get it over before you go into the sam finals........

she was referring to the pms countries........and the answer is of course yes, as the degree you obtain is from the uni in that country.......you can stay on to do internship/housemanship in all pms countries except canada........but recognition of the degree is NOT conditional on doing the housemanship in the particular country......

as for spore and pharmacy, spore recognises uk pharmacy degrees ONLY if the full 4 years are done in uk........which means the imu 2+2 strathclyde and notts msian 2+2 programmes are NOT recognised........and of course the imu local pharmacy degree is NOT recognised.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 29 2009, 11:04 PM

each individual country has their own rules about how they recognise medical graduates from elsewhere.......ti make any sense of this you will have to decide which country you aim to work in first........then consider the options.........

for the us, you need usmle step 2 at least to do internship, and step 3 for all other jobs..........even with that, you will still need to apply and get a job offer, which for someone from a unknown place like msia ( you need to mention spore or thailand to register with the average american), usually means in smaller/rural towns and hospitals........you work your way up from there.........

uk degrees are NOT automatically recognised in autralia..........however after the housemanship, it can be recognised after assessment of performance......

uk (and all countries) degrees are NOT recognised in the us.........usmle is required........

the requirement for ielts is mandatory, and clearly stated in their website.....an overall band 6.5 required, and 7.0 from next year........

but as typical for imu, they want your money first.....then realised they have offered a place to someone without the full requirements......that used to happen a lot, they used to allow people to sit and achieve the required band while in the course.......the requirement is mainly for the pms stream, where the pms do INSIST on minimum band 6.5 or 7.........

muet is of no use........but is a requirement of the LAN for msians only.........nobody really look at muet.........

for those in the pms stream, you MUST have ielts, at least band 6.5 before you can be matched......it is a clear requirement of the pms.........

but imu will accept you before you have the ielts, as long as you get it before matching......

however, it appears that they now want ielts on entry.......and the pms now wants ielts 7.........

things have changed.......perhaps a reflection on the prevalent level of english proficiency amongst msians.........

not an issue if you are in the pms stream........since you will not be graduating in msia........

'best' in what sense?........

but goh is right, in terms of recognition and possibility to work elsewhere, imu-pms trumps pmc hands down.....

you cannot 'decide' where you twin to, for imu-pms.......

matching takes place at the 5th semester, and you will only know where you are matched to just before the eos5........although if you put irish pms, you have a very good chance of getting it, as they are not popular...........

pmc irish degrees are NOT recognised in australia, or uk for that matter........there is a possibility of uk graduates working in oz based on the 'competent authority' pathway after completion of the 2 years fy in uk, this is an ah-hoc arrangement, and likely will be scraped in a few years when oz doctor shortage is over............

chika, thaks for the list, very useful.....

they have added uni western sydney, which is a new med school. it only started on 2007, and the 1st batch is currently in the 3rd year of the 5 year programme. i think it is not even in the mmc 2nd schedule, so wonder what happens when graduates want to return to work.....?

same with keele and brighton-sussex........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 5 2009, 05:28 PM

many who graduated from nz went to spore for housejob and work......singhealth regularly go to nz to recruit msians........

from the sound of it, people 'return' to seremban because they flunk out, not because of racism.......

unfortunately, this scenario paints a negative picture of imu students........so it is true than that some imu students are not up to the standards required in nz med schools?............

this is a point i have been always making, which some people take offense with........the developed countries have a high standard of health care, and that is partly due to the high calibre of the doctors......and that is due to very careful selection of medical students.......

hence, only the very academically bright will be considered.........

nz's system takes it further by taking in a lot of students into health science, and selecting the best, academically and applitude-wise, into medicine........

on the other hand, in the developing world, msia included, it is possible to buy a place in med school.........even with very mediocre results.....and unfortunately, imu is one such place........

for those of you in pms, ask yourself an honest question, would you have gotten a place in nz/oz/uk, if you were a citizen/pr there............?

yes, of course that happens........but then they will NOT be allowed to partner back to their own country.......it's mostly pr's........citizens don't do that usually.....

some will also go to other med schools, but these will not be recognised by oz/nz.......so they obviously may not intend to return to their adopted country, or hope they may pass the amc qualifying exams.........

my point is the INTENTION of the gov education policy........of course there will be exceptions and loopholes......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 11 2009, 08:56 AM

good for you.......

there is a very wide spectrum of students at imu.......many are very brilliant students, and will no doubt have gotten direct entry if they have tried.........just as there there are very mediocre students who just scrape in past the cut off.......

but the vast majority of students who got in direct into uk/oz/nz will be high fliers........

my question is one for each student to ask himself/herself........in private, you don't have to answer here.......

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Added on September 11, 2009, 4:42 pmsay this in the open med student thread, and expect to get a lot of flax from some med students.......i did........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Sep 11 2009, 04:42 PM