Sure so please believe in yourself and all the best

Well, if you're referring to passion then i agree with u. I believe that there is money in any industry, and those who are passionate and have the right skills will usually do well. In Malaysia though, networking and a little bit of luck is required too. My cousin married into this very rich family and is giving our relatives top jobs in the companies. Although those relatives of mine are definitely qualified, how nice would it be to jump from Rm10k a month to RM45k/month. Hmmm...

ANYWAY, if u r self employed, networking is very important. Make friends with everybody, and make sure they remember and know u. Be ready to give more than u take at first...

during my study i did some small research paper and inerviewed this guy from Transmile (sort of airline company). he's just a technician over there, and his highest qualification is diploma, not remember in what field specifically but some thing to to do with aircraft servicing from MIAT.

Guess what? he's earning monthly is about MYR6K.. but indeed, you need as well to take a test, for sort of a license in aircraft mechanic what so ever in order for you to get the same among of pay

The paper qualification is just something to make you get the job easier. It doesn't mean that a diploma holder would perform least better compared to a degree holder. It's unfortunate that people emphasize a lot more on paper education these days compared to the capability of that person.

How about in advertising company? What is the prospect of this type of company? Is it possible to get rm5k salary before 30 years start working around 23?

This post has been edited by otherwise: Apr 14 2009, 08:58 PM

How would you than know that a person would perform if not based on the paper qualification?
For instance, if you were to hire an engineer and one came in with degree and another a diploma. Both have good results. Both answered your expectation during the interview....so what differentiates them?....
Thus a "paper" is needed as a proof. That's the sad facts of life....

I still remember when I first graduated, there's once I bombarded the interviewer regarding "working experience". I.e. I was frustrated after so many months didn't manage to secure a job thus one day when the employer asked about "working experience" I just veined by anger. I was like "Every interview I attended everyone is talking about working experience, but if you guys do not give me a chance; where do I acquire experience?!"
Nope....sad case, I didn't get the job.

This the sad cruel facts of life and society.

I got a colleague whom she only had diploma or a certificate (forgot already). After so many years working, she is still stuck in the position. One day during a mass resignation (many resigned during the interim of 3 months - I think around 5) we fight for her better welfare in the company before we left to no avail.
HR is HR with their own policies, especially MNCs; they regard certificates as a tool for evaluation. Sad ler.....

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Added on October 2, 2007, 2:00 pmOnce you're in the working environment you'll understand that hardwork might not necessary pay off if you do not have the right network or connections.

Even my first job I got in via connection; not trough normal paper searching. Of course my hardwork paid off during my time and I got introduced to a larger network in the same fields, thus giving me the opportunity to jump out when the time is right. My networking also allowed me to jump back to my current company when I got fed up with the bosses and their processes during my previous attachment.

But obviously like I say, hard work and working smart is also the main focus. True you can get to the top just purely based on connections...but how far up can one climb if he does not have the "criteria" or he does not what he's doing?

I guess it's highly possible to earn RM5k before 30.


This post has been edited by b00n: Oct 2 2007, 02:00 PM

b00n, whether a person perform or not, it is very subjective and even if he/she has a paper qualification, it does not prove or define capability. There's a lot more than that.

If I'm the interviewer, I would look at experience and character/attitude of that person rather than emphazing on the results and that piece of paper. Nevertheless, paper qualification is a pre-requisite these days - no choice but a lot of times, it's a company HR policy to hire someone with at least a degree.

In conclusion, what I'm trying to say is that you need the paper + relevant experience + a positive attitude. Alternatively if you don't have a paper but with good experience and attitude, you can still make it but perhaps a bit harder.

The corporate working world is like that and we just have to adapt to it. Besides, the world is never fair

Yeap...agreed!
I once got a master grad working under me with no knowledge at all..........gosh!
But obviously the cert + results impressed HR and the bosses.

I wonder if anyone can help me on my situation. This doesn't have anything to do about this thread title, but since you guys are talking about certificates...I guess I'll give it a go.

I struggle in my studies...quite badly. I always focus on other things like work, part time jobs. But in every job I go to, I can do well there. Well, except sales. At the moment I am left with only one subject and I don't have anymore motivation to continue my college life. My full-time employer has brought me back to the company because the girl who replaced me wasn't good enough. Pay increase wasn't much, but better than nothing.

I can only take that subject early next year, and I really feel hopeless with it...don't think I'll pass it. To make things worse, if I fail it - I'll never get my degree as it is the very last intake for the college. I know that it is just one subject and I should be doing everything I can do pass it, but for the past few months I've been on the verge of giving up college...what do you guys do in this situation?

A "paper certificate" is still the prerequisite.
Without a "cert" you might be underpaid in the future. True enough your current boss likes you because he knows you can work. few years down the road, if salary increment is not as you expected and you decided to go out, future employer might not gave you the same base pay.

Take this situation and think as a boss.
If you interview 2 person, both have working experience of 5 years in the same field. 1 has degree, 1 has diploma (or non at all). The degree is asking for RM5k (accordance to this topic ) same as the dip holder. Who would you choose? (Remember you don't know both person but you like both of them as you've pre-selected them to be the final 2)

That's when money becomes nature of all evil. Comes to the question of best buck for money. Thus the notion of being paid lesser might come into the picture.

Just an opinion. I would not ask anyone to dismiss their certification while they have the privilege to complete it. And in your case, it's just a final bloody subject; just finish it off....why waste the previous effort?!

This post has been edited by b00n: Oct 2 2007, 03:02 PM

yeah, I know the level of importance....but the motivation to continue is just not there anymore. I feel like I'm in the part of my life where everything is not going to plan...

oh yea, forgot to mention that I failed the subject in the past. That's the cause of my...well, level of motivation.

I used to be like you and don't enjoy studying. I'm probably at my worst of boredom whenever it comes to classes and books but I know that getting a degree is a must. I struggled just as much and finally made it through the degree.

Since you're left with one paper, you might as well fight hard for it and make sure you pass. I'm sure you'll be able to do it as long as you try your best and never give up. Like the quote says "Winners never quit; Quitters never win" All the best bro.

hey dude i also was like u ... but didn't gave up ... told myself no matter what must graduate .... already spent so much money on it .... gogogo !

Winners never quit; Quitters never win...

yup, dat true. Finish what u 've started man. Then it will leave u no regret...

Well, I agreed with you, I've a friends who has only tertiary education, now at the age of 28 suffers from underpaid. He as a supervior of one manufacturer

Earning 5k is possible and also impossible it depends on your capabilities and experience. Some branch bank managers also cant reach 5k. IMO, Earning 5k but you spend 6k per month. no point also.

Credit card is one of the killers and reason why youngsters always overspend

that's bcos they always pay the interest .... thinking they want to save more money .... then next thing do balance transfer .... never ending ......

Er.. let's get back to the topic.... There's oredi a thread on Credit Card Debts/Expenses, etc etc

Not so on topic, but someone mentioned to me that only 10% of working people in Malaysia actually make more than RM3k per month. Anyone seen this statistic before? Is it true? Is the salary standard in Malaysia really that low?

i hate studies.... think dat da purpose of study is jst for da sake of dat piece of crap paper.... well, i jst tell myself to hang in there... cuz i think tat even hw bad dat piece of crap and hw useless it is, i still nid to obtain 1... i have started, might as well jst finish it.. yeah

am lookin forward to know more people, look for more oppurtunities..upgrading myself nwadays

well, study? jst do it before exams...lolz... sure pass 1 la..