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 Accident no insurance,no road tax,no police report, WKN7729 Chen Yoon Kwee in Salak Selatan

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Dwango
post Dec 25 2017, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(edmundchong0929 @ Dec 24 2017, 11:39 AM)
ok la, then you go claim la, i wish you all the best, i just telling my opinion only
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QUOTE(edmundchong0929 @ Dec 24 2017, 11:41 AM)
opinion is only for reference, if no people want to know about it, i am ok of it

i just saying out only, no need to be so serious

if my advise is good for it, just proceed it

if got another better option, if workable, just go la
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Of course you can voice your opinion. I can also voice mine. It's not me is going through all this but the OP, and he/she will decide what to do. From his initial post here, you already can see that he wants to get justice, which is a fair thing to do. However, you are suggesting otherwise, citing that NOTHING CAN BE DONE and the offender will continue to enjoy his privileges by having the luxury to drive around town with a vehicle that doesn't have insurance and road tax, and he doesn't need to be held liable for an accident which is caused by him. Now, to me, that is just bollocks.
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post Dec 25 2017, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(TangkapPenipu @ Dec 24 2017, 02:27 PM)
Yes, correct, cannot claim the offender's insurance, since the traffic offender does not have insurance.
No matter if I can claim or not, I will use my own money to repair first. I think not worth it to claim my NCD.

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Please calm down, Bro

There is no right or wrong in between you and Dwango, but just 2 different opinions and stand points in between (1) to claim & (2) not to claim.

Dwango is just sharing his valuable info how to claim only.

But if for the justice for all innocent citizens in Malaysia, we should take legal action to against those buggers to warn them do not violate the law like this again.

Thanks for you info.

This Christmas is a bit too cold....  smile.gif
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There's no snow here in Malaysia, but still a nice sunny Christmas. :-)

Of course, the end decision is solely with you as people are just giving their opinions or suggestions. But seriously, will you be satisfied if this crook gets off like a free man after the 2 offenses he had made? From your first few posts it was apparent that you are unhappy and want justice served. If that's the case, the best way is to get the man to the Tribunal. You will meet him face to face in front of the judge, and if he fails to attend the hearing the Judge will rule the decision against your favour. The first step is to call up the officer to check, or if you have plenty of time you may visit the office too. The application forms can be downloaded from the website.

If you do not wish to pursue the case, it is also your wish, just like those who do not have "plenty of time or money" or do not wish to go through the hassle. That's fine for those who thought that way but I certainly think that you need to get the offender to the court to teach him a lesson. In my mind, that's the main goal, the secondary being your claims for the repair of your vehicle.
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post Dec 25 2017, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Dec 25 2017, 10:14 AM)
Of course you can voice your opinion. I can also voice mine. It's not me is going through all this but the OP, and he/she will decide what to do. From his initial post here, you already can see that he wants to get justice, which is a fair thing to do. However, you are suggesting otherwise, citing that NOTHING CAN BE DONE and the offender will continue to enjoy his privileges by having the luxury to drive around town with a vehicle that doesn't have insurance and road tax, and he doesn't need to be held liable for an accident which is caused by him. Now, to me, that is just bollocks.
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101% agree.. thumbup.gif


QUOTE(Dwango @ Dec 25 2017, 10:24 AM)
There's no snow here in Malaysia, but still a nice sunny Christmas. :-)

Of course, the end decision is solely with you as people are just giving their opinions or suggestions. But seriously, will you be satisfied if this crook gets off like a free man after the 2 offenses he had made? From your first few posts it was apparent that you are unhappy and want justice served. If that's the case, the best way is to get the man to the Tribunal. You will meet him face to face in front of the judge, and if he fails to attend the hearing the Judge will rule the decision against your favour. The first step is to call up the officer to check, or if you have plenty of time you may visit the office too. The application forms can be downloaded from the website.

If you do not wish to pursue the case, it is also your wish, just like those who do not have "plenty of time or money" or do not wish to go through the hassle. That's fine for those who thought that way but I certainly think that you need to get the offender to the court to teach him a lesson. In my mind, that's the main goal, the secondary being your claims for the repair of your vehicle.
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Yes, I want to sue him as this is the only solution, and hopefully can send this bugger to jail. bruce.gif

This post has been edited by TangkapPenipu: Dec 25 2017, 08:26 PM
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post Dec 25 2017, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(TangkapPenipu @ Dec 25 2017, 08:24 PM)
101% agree..   thumbup.gif
Yes, I want to sue him as this is the only solution, and hopefully can send this bugger to jail.  bruce.gif
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Keep us updated.. Useful and informative sharing..
Do it right and hope that you get justice.

How about make a normal police with jpj report saying this bugger don't have car insurance and road tax? Follow up with this police report, police HQ on the investigation conclusion, and use these conclusion as yr supporting document in tribunal court .

This post has been edited by netmask8: Dec 25 2017, 11:36 PM
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post Dec 26 2017, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Dec 25 2017, 11:12 PM)
Keep us updated.. Useful and informative sharing..
Do it right and hope that you get justice.

How about make a normal police with jpj report saying this bugger don't have car insurance and road tax? Follow up with this police report, police HQ on the investigation conclusion, and use these conclusion as yr supporting document in tribunal court .
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I just went to police station this afternoon (Christmas Monday) to show to Sergeant about the JPJ report stating that this bugger did not have car insurance & road tax during
the accident. I was hoping Sergeant would key in this no insurance & no road tax info into his PC (such that bugger will get one more saman, and police will investigate this case
more seriously) but Sergeant did not, it seemed Sergeant was no longer interested to do any further investigation since he already gave me the Kes Keputusan Letter.

Inside Sergeant room, there was another traffic police, he suggested me to submit this case to Civil Court on Jalan Duta, he was not so sure if I can submit to Tribunal Small Claim
court or not since Tribunal Small Claim court is for consumer case.

This traffic police also mentioned the Kes Keputusan Letter I got from Sergeant is similar to "A License to Sue".
He also teased me to buy a law book to study by myself rather than keep coming to police station to "kacau" Sergeant rclxub.gif

Sergeant asked me: You sudah mari ke sini berapa kali?
I replied: kali ini sudah emapt kali sweat.gif

Lastly, I asked Sergeant: Sergeant, boleh saya menang kes ini?
Sergeant replied: Mesti menang

So, I will call Triburnal to find out if I can submit this accident case to them or not?
https://ttpm.kpdnkk.gov.my/portal/index.php...ibunal-branches

Thank you for your support.. thumbsup.gif
Will update here soon..

This post has been edited by TangkapPenipu: Dec 26 2017, 12:45 AM
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post Dec 26 2017, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(TangkapPenipu @ Dec 26 2017, 12:37 AM)
I just went to police station this afternoon (Christmas Monday) to show to Sergeant about the JPJ report stating that this bugger did not have car insurance & road tax during
the accident. I was hoping Sergeant would key in this no insurance & no road tax info into his PC (such that bugger will get one more saman, and police will investigate this case
more seriously) but Sergeant did not, it seemed Sergeant was no longer interested to do any further investigation since he already gave me the Keputusan Letter.

Inside Sergeant room, there was another traffic police, he suggested me to submit this case to Civil Court on Jalan Duta, he was not so sure if I can submit to Tribunal Small Claim
court or not since Tribunal Small Claim court is for consumer case.

This traffic police also mentioned the Kes Keputusan Letter I got from Sergeant is similar to "A License to Sue".
He also teased me to buy a law book to study by myself rather than keep coming to police station to "kacau" Sergeant  rclxub.gif

Lastly, I asked Sergeant: Sergeant, boleh saya menang kes ini?
Sergeant replied: Mesti menang

So, I will call Triburnal to find out if I can submit this accident case to them or not?
https://ttpm.kpdnkk.gov.my/portal/index.php...ibunal-branches

Thank you for your support..  :thumbsup:
Will update here soon..
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Make another normal police report with jpj result, at police IPK or HQ.. Not dealing with same sergeant and same police station AGAIN.. Make sure in the report, did mentioned, car number plate, jpj report got no car insurance and no road tax, BEFORE u put signature. Follow up with normal police report, instead of traffic police report.Very important evidence in any civil court case..

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post Dec 26 2017, 12:50 AM

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Easier to just pay an indian to go beat him up la. Cost you Rm100 . make you feel happy. ROFL
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post Dec 26 2017, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Dec 26 2017, 12:47 AM)
Make another normal police report with jpj result, at police IPK or HQ.. Not dealing with same sergeant and same police station AGAIN.. Make sure in the report, did mentioned, no car insurance and road tax, BEFORE u put signature. Very important evidence in any civil court case..
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OK.. I will make another police report about no car insurance & no road tax in another police station.
I know I cannot see the same Sergeant anymore, I have a feeling maybe he will "shoot me" when he see me again.. sweat.gif

Thanks.. thumbsup.gif

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post Dec 26 2017, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Dec 26 2017, 12:50 AM)
Easier to just pay an indian to go beat him up la. Cost you Rm100 . make you feel happy. ROFL
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Ha ha.. biggrin.gif.. I know where he lives based from the JPJ report, his house is very near to my house actually.

But don't want to beat him lah...I just want to send him to court, and hopefully jail..
I have a feeling this guy did not receive higher education, he bets I cannot do anything on him

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post Dec 26 2017, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Dec 26 2017, 12:47 AM)
Make another normal police report with jpj result, at police IPK or HQ.. Not dealing with same sergeant and same police station AGAIN.. Make sure in the report, did mentioned, car number plate, jpj report got no car insurance and no road tax, BEFORE u put signature. Follow up with normal police report, instead of traffic police report.Very important evidence in any civil court case..
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I suddenly noticed there is a stamp printed on right bottom corner of the police report stating like this:

SALINAN YANG DIAKUI SAH
Tidak Boleh Digunakan di Mahkamah

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QUOTE(TangkapPenipu @ Dec 26 2017, 01:10 AM)
Ha ha.. biggrin.gif.. I know where he lives based from the JPJ report, his house is very near to my house actually.

But don't want to beat him lah...I just want to send him to court, and hopefully jail..
I have a feeling this guy did not receive higher education, he bets I cannot do anything on him
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Malaysian mentality bro.

Our legal system will take years if not decades for it to amount to anything for something so simple.

kudos to you, but be prepared to spend time on this .

good luck
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post Dec 26 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ Dec 26 2017, 09:46 AM)
Malaysian mentality bro.

Our legal system will take years if not decades for it to amount to anything for something so simple.

kudos to you, but be prepared to spend time on this .

good luck
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Bro, our 3rd world country is like this, what so called wawasan 2020 is just a dream, talk only, no action.

I just called 2 tribunal Small claim courts, both said my case could not be done in tribunal Small claim courts.
One of them said I should submit my case to Mahkamah Kecil on Jalan Duta, no lawyer is needed.

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post Dec 26 2017, 11:25 AM

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Yes, keep up posted bro, i also hope you can "MENANG" in this case

once case send up till court, it will takes minimal 2 years to settle it,

speedily of the process is not expected as we thought.

year end lotsa holiday & majority people also enjoying their life until next year 2018 after chinese new year. ( i guess)
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QUOTE(TangkapPenipu @ Dec 26 2017, 12:37 AM)
I just went to police station this afternoon (Christmas Monday) to show to Sergeant about the JPJ report stating that this bugger did not have car insurance & road tax during
the accident. I was hoping Sergeant would key in this no insurance & no road tax info into his PC (such that bugger will get one more saman, and police will investigate this case
more seriously) but Sergeant did not, it seemed Sergeant was no longer interested to do any further investigation since he already gave me the Kes Keputusan Letter.

Inside Sergeant room, there was another traffic police, he suggested me to submit this case to Civil Court on Jalan Duta, he was not so sure if I can submit to Tribunal Small Claim
court or not since Tribunal Small Claim court is for consumer case.

This traffic police also mentioned the Kes Keputusan Letter I got from Sergeant is similar to "A License to Sue".
He also teased me to buy a law book to study by myself rather than keep coming to police station to "kacau" Sergeant  rclxub.gif

Sergeant asked me: You sudah mari ke sini berapa kali?
I replied: kali ini sudah emapt kali  sweat.gif

Lastly, I asked Sergeant: Sergeant, boleh saya menang kes ini?
Sergeant replied: Mesti menang

So, I will call Triburnal to find out if I can submit this accident case to them or not?
https://ttpm.kpdnkk.gov.my/portal/index.php...ibunal-branches

Thank you for your support..  thumbsup.gif
Will update here soon..
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Good job that you finally found out about this Civil Court. So that resolves your dilemma since you now know the right place to submit your case. Actually the police or the Seargent should have advised you much earlier in the first place on the proper procedure to go about this. Surely there will be a way to get the offender to justice.

So the Small Claims Court cannot handle your case. At least you find out, otherwise you wouldn't know. I am sure your case can surely be submitted for further action since it cannot be left hanging with NOTHING CAN BE DONE excuse which is ridiculous.
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QUOTE(edmundchong0929 @ Dec 26 2017, 11:25 AM)
Yes, keep up posted bro, i also hope you can "MENANG" in this case

once case send up till court, it will takes minimal 2 years to settle it,

speedily of the process is not expected as we thought.

year end lotsa holiday & majority people also enjoying their life until next year 2018 after chinese new year. ( i guess)
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I would suggest that next time you refrain from posting too much rubbish. Firstly you suggested NOTHING CAN BE DONE and asked the OP to forget it. Now you say keep us posted and wish the OP to menang after he has already found out that he can submit the case to the Civil court. If you have nothing better to say next time, or more accurately if you don't have the knowledge, please don't post wrong information that NOTHING CAN BE DONE.

All this talk of minimal 2 years to settle and burning all your annual leaves to get the case in, please keep it to yourself as we are not interested to know all of that. As a matter of fact that's irrelevant. Again, if you don't know the procedure, stop posting all this nonsense as you are making yourself look silly.
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OP - I wonder why the Seargent didn't advise you the correct thing to do ie. to submit your case to the Civil Court when you first filed in the case? It was until the 3rd or 4th time only they let you know about this.

As you have figured out now, finding out the correct information from the proper source ie. the police/Sergeant or any knowledgeable folks would be the best way forward. Sometimes it is inevitable to have this sort of responses that NOTHING CAN BE DONE when you post something on the social forum which are more to Kopitiam responses. Now that you have experience, you can better handle things in the future, so when someone tells you nothing can be done, you would have known he/she is just talking rubbish.
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Bro I read just 2 pages of the comment but I was thinking about below might be something you can take into consideration;

1. Since you had videos - Share it but amend it, get help from someone or mamak 2.0 if you want it to viral
- Remember to highlight this police said cannot do anything
- From the main of the videos highlight the point said JPJ, PDRM said can't anything : If this is the case then we no need to pay for roadtax, no point

2. The small court is an excellent information for you and us I guess, thanks for ktard to share the info

3. If you're a newspaper reader there's an email to submit your case for them to share - use the social to viral it then someone will assist

Good luck
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If u want real justice, do it in a country that honor and uphold justice.

Unless u just migrated to this country, I highly suggest u just work to get the compensation.

Do whatever is right to protect and cover urself, in case the offender or corrupted officer trying play vile game.
Skip the "justice" and revenge craps

If u use imagination as the bad guy, with the current law enforcement quality in this cuntry, there are tons of ways to screw ur life.
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post Dec 26 2017, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ Dec 26 2017, 12:42 PM)
I would suggest that next time you refrain from posting too much rubbish. Firstly you suggested NOTHING CAN BE DONE and asked the OP to forget it. Now you say keep us posted and wish the OP to menang after he has already found out that he can submit the case to the Civil court. If you have nothing better to say next time, or more accurately if you don't have the knowledge, please don't post wrong information that NOTHING CAN BE DONE.

All this talk of minimal 2 years to settle and burning all your annual leaves to get the case in, please keep it to yourself as we are not interested to know all of that. As a matter of fact that's irrelevant. Again, if you don't know the procedure, stop posting all this nonsense as you are making yourself look silly.
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since you are so motivated to follow up the case, i'm sure will support you

i still the same, don't think it can be resolve, maybe this is your first time to handle the case, that's why you are so energetic to settle it

time will proven slowly, i am sure after 6 month later, you will demotivate to handle & follow it anymore

trust me la bro

i also hope you can win this case,

hopefully you are not the person i mentioned ya

ok la, i stop posting your page liao, since you seems look down at me, k la , bye

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post Dec 26 2017, 12:12 PM

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after send up case to court

need to spend time to go for hearing

then need to wait court to justify

after that take times again for the settlement

either settle with opponent or straight give judgement

then from this matter, need to follow up with insurance company for claim

all these matter, not only need to spend your time, it also need to spend little of money

no doubt your evident is enough

i'm doubt of your time spending in settle this small case ya,

UNLESS YOU ARE BOSS OF THE COMPANY , CAN ALWAYS TAKE LEAVE UP & DOWN COURT AS ALWAYS YA


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