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post May 15 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ May 15 2019, 10:41 AM)
what insurance company you normally used?

i'm using Berjaya Sompro... original from Mazda.

thinking to change.
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If within warranty, better stick to berjaya sompo.

The benefit of using berjaya sompo is that you can go straight to mazda's own body/panel workshop, not some external 3rd party frequently used by other insurance. Claim also easier if within 15k and they also have their own adjusters. In short, quality assured of the workmanship.

If renew directly at their insurance office, i think got additional 10% discount. But that was last year's info, maybe it changed.
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post May 15 2019, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(#ZoomZoom @ May 15 2019, 12:33 PM)
Recently I renewed my cx5 insurance at Berjaya Sompo office & still got discount 10%😀
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thanks for the info!
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QUOTE(ayamback @ May 31 2019, 01:57 PM)
I agree, I read somewhere that this is where they want to focus on. They know they can't compete with the likes of Honda and Toyota in terms of the scale. So they aim to cater those who don't want the mainstream/cheaper cars and the expensive conti cars.

With this pricing, Mazda 3 will sit right at the sweet spot between mainstream and luxury cars.
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By the looks of how it was priced overseas, it will be priced around VW level in malaysia. Definitely not going to be mass market level kind of sales quantity (other than cx5)...

It is to my opinion that the skyactiv-x engines will only show face in malaysia probably on new generation mazda6, another new higher priced tier of cx5/cx8, or another unlikely scenario of a new low tier of cx9.

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post Jun 1 2019, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(#ZoomZoom @ Jun 1 2019, 03:28 PM)
I think bermaz stopped to ckd new mazda3 because it is much more expensive for sure and won't be a volume seller (no way it can fight civic & corrolla sales based on malaysians mentality who put resale value & spacious interior as No. 1 when buying cars).

Also if not mistaken, the 2nd reason for bermaz to stop ckd new mazda3 could be due to much more higher-tensile strength steel,  1310 MPa rigidity compared to what being used in current old mazda3 & cx5.
Even cx5 only has A-pillar 1180 MPa & B-pillar 980 MPa.
New mazda3 has A-pillar cold-stamped 1310 MPa & several other sections too but no figures on B-pillar.
High-tensile strength has increased from 3% to 30%.
So bermaz could have no advanced technology to assemble (hot-join/cold-join) these components with their existing facilities in kulim. So focusing on to ckd bigger cx5 & cx8 is more logical,  profit-making and could increase bermaz sales.
Malaysians like bigger vehicles with lower pricing.
That why honda selling like crazy (lower buying prices with spacious interior spaces be it civic, crv, hrv, brv, city, jazz). Honda pandai jual ruang besar with better all-around packaging. Win liao lo.
Malaysians feel murah dan berbaloi to buy honda.
Buying mazda = need same/more money to buy less things & cramped space = tak berbaloi = less buyers 😁

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The joining of this new high strength steel is not really the main issue, not something that will be exceedingly costly to refit in the production line. The main issue is as you mentioned, no volume. If just because of this high strength steel then whole production grinds to a halt, might as well prepare to close the whole brand down as something similar will be implemented on the next generation cx5.

It is the most economical sense for bermaz to focus on cx5 as the cx5 drives a lot of margin. Further still, malaysia is the asean hub for cx5 assembly. So focus everything there to build a sufficient cash war chest.

There is no denying that honda products fall squarely to the majority of malaysian taste, due to the efficient interior packaging. The main cause is the unsound vehicle pricing policies, which prices cars unreasonably relative to income. Buyers feel the pinch, hence want the best value for money. The feeling of more space = more metal = more value for money, is not something to be scoffed at. Myvi is the best case example on this factor.

Further still, the new generation of mazda products is quite a significant pricing jump. So even overseas market commentators are skeptical on how mazda will perform volume and financial wise. Too bad mazda don't have the time to move in smaller pricing increments, that will take multiple generation of product for the market to "acclimatise".
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post Jun 2 2019, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(#ZoomZoom @ Jun 2 2019, 12:51 PM)
Haha. I agreed too.
But i still bought a cx5 over crv because i dont want a car with cvt. I not blindly support. U also bought a 2.2D cx5 although u was a honda guy.
I do think that mazda conventional auto AT is way better or more reliable than honda, nissan, proton cvt. Their cvt tend to be problematic faster. Except toyota cvt and AT which at different level of reliability. But new rav4 isn't here yet.
Personally i like mazda stubbornness in doing thing for example retaining AT gearbox only (rejecting cvt & dct). When people are zagging, mazda prefers zigging. I tend to give them an opportunity by buying a cx5. Yes hard-earned money to pay monthly installment for the half-cooked/pseudo premiumness and driving dynamics. Can't find it in crv.
Few years later if really less reliable than toyota, then i will buy a toyota perhaps.
People always say mazda no resale value and less reliable!
But i want to try it myself. I could be stubborn as mazda.
And I really want to see market reactions on mazda & bermaz decisions/strategies/stubbornness in increasing pricing & premiumness. They take the risks.
It is either successful or unsuccessful. Who knows!
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Not everyone likes how the mazda shifts their gears, the lockup is considered quite "severe" compared to other makes which can shift smoother, unless the driver really rev up above 2500rpm and ease up the throttle afterwards. 5th gear requires something above 3000rpm to be considered smooth, which is pretty droning in today's refinement level. I myself just shift the stalk to manual after exciting the house, and shift at my desired point/throttle level.

Probably due to their circumstances, mazda thinks further and harder, using some really weird design philosophy and engineering "stubbornness". I always thought that the skyactiv generation 2 products will have a new transmission with at least one more gear, because it just felt that it really needed just that extra gear to bridge the ratio from gear 3 to 5. But lo and behold, they kept that transmission in view that the SPCCI skyactiv-x engine can largely ignore gearing ratio and rpm as the fueling requirements can remain the same regardless of throttle level and rev range by just controlling the ignition. Fueling requirements no longer follow the default of higher rev/throttle = more fuel. Pretty insane tuning wise, and i can't imagine how aftermarket tuners are going to cope with this as this is just a whole new field to the tried and tested ignition/fueling table. Mazda no need to follow what all other makes does by adding more gear ratios to keep revs low, in order to maintain reasonable fuel consumption level.

They pioneered low compression diesel ignition, thereby taking out the need of further exhaust treatment (AdBlue) to keep nox level in check. No one actually thought of trying that, but mazda did, saving them some complexity away in their diesel range yet at the same time a good publicity. Further savings also on the engine side, as can be made a little lighter because the need to seal the compression is lower, making the diesel engine almost behaving petrol like at the same time.

Unless there's a really drastic upwards change of my financial situation, sad to say that very unlikely my next car would be a mazda, considering the future pricing trend. But it will always be the apple of my eye when they innovate in unconventional ways...
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post Jun 3 2019, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(#ZoomZoom @ Jun 3 2019, 10:49 AM)
Last 3-4 years ago u bought mazda3 and mentioned the gearbox shifted smoothly and predictably.
Now the gearbox behaves differently? So far u still satisfactory with your purchase?

As i know, the initial batches of 6-speed AT mazda skyactiv-drive was tuned for maximum fuel efficiency, causing very early upshifts to achieve better fuel saving but feeling underpower to pull the car.
Mazda tends to always retune their engine and gearbox every now and then. Then they updated in their line-up products. They do it gradually/annually, not necessarily in mid-cycle facelift versions. But initial owners might pissed off with mazda approaches in updating their products this way.
At this buying price range, i do like how my 2nd gen cx5 shifts gears.
It is responsive, smooth, smart and intuitive. I floor it and it downshifts quite fast with the sporty engines sound. I love it😁
It hears my leg inputs & it pulls.
Better than latest malaysia version toyota camry, proton x70 non-smart 6speed AT.
Not only me, many reviewers be it china, Taiwan, Australia and malaysia praised the 6speed AT of mazda.
Bobby Ang our famous evomalaysia reviewer who owned few premium cars (bmw, audi, volvo) and who always drive many different cars to genting to try their drive, ride and handling, praised the 6speed AT in cx5 & mazda6. He excited & smiled all the ways. Smart gearbox.
At mazda price range, who else in the market still offer 6speed or 8speed AT and shift better than mazda?
Because of fuel efficiency, all those Japanese automakers shifted to whining/droning cvt. If coupling with AT, their fuel economy just can't beat mazda.
Cvt is weaker transmission compared to AT. It only suitable to be used in small size cars. Heavy cars will cause the cvt to wear faster. Nissan xtrail cvt always kong and owners really pissed off. Yes honda crv can be reliable in the 1st-4th gen because they used AT.
For 5th gen crv, they switched to cvt with new turbo. New turbo already has oil dilution problem in cold climate countries.
I am expecting crv cvt especially those 1.5 vtec turbo to fail faster then our mazda AT. Cvt is not built to pull heavy cars like crv.
Just wait and see.
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The more i drive it along the years, i realised that the shift quality and points isn't what was expected during the test drive. After all, test drive was rather short and i was concentrating on other factors. It is just me personally, but i'm absolutely fine to adjust, won't continue bitching about something that can't be changed. In the end, i just resort to shifting manually all the time, not an issue to me. I guess it will be a habit i will bring over to the next car even if it is an automatic transmission unit. When i drive my mum's car that doesn't have this manual shifting feature, i'm just freaking uneasy.

I'm just really annoyed that the suspension issue can't be fixed, other than that, i'm still satisfied with the purchase. I still got this weird rattling noise once in a while during a hot day when there is some strain on the higher gear ratio at low speeds. You have any idea about it? Feel like the tensioners are not working properly, or is it engine knocking?

As cars get more and more complicated, nitty gritty stuffs starts popping up once it a while. Kind of accepted that fact, i believe the same will be happening even driving a new toyota.


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post Jun 18 2019, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(#ZoomZoom @ Jun 6 2019, 12:05 PM)
Nope, sc unable to solve? Mazda most common issue is the kluk kluk or ngek ngek sound. Some managed to solve some come back again. It could be the defective design/design flaw by mazda by tweaking the front suspension to an angle which easily tear and wear the associated components.
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Not easy to replicate, so no pint bring to SC, but anyway, warranty over. After 5 years, i'm going to change the tensioner and check the timing cover as got very mild oil leaks.

The suspension totally no hope already, after i save up some money, i'm getting a superpro PU bushing set.

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 13 2019, 11:35 AM)
Hi guys, i would like to know how is the engine power for this 2.0l unit? as i see the HP is quite high compared to normal 2.0 engine, how does it drive like?
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Good enough, nothing fantastic, but very rev happy almost like manual.

Just don't expect the ballistic feeling with a turbocharged engine.
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post Jun 21 2019, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jun 21 2019, 09:48 AM)
Actually considering the heavy tax for CBU you are getting value for money although I consider many items to be over-engineered.

For example, do they need to do so much engineering for the  arm rest:

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jun 21 2019, 10:12 AM)
thats is the kind of detail that ppl may or may not appreciate. This is japanese workmanship, just like how they craft katana. I think if u really interested to buy a sedan, maybe can consider. If not better get cx-5 similarly priced.
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If mazda is so intent to this extent, my opinion is that they have to give additional training to the sales consultants on how to really educate the customer on these intricacies of the engineering. Better still, do a measurement of their customer and do an optimal seat position recommendation as part of the new car handover service. Because, after all, if not seated optimally, whatever extra added balance also discount 50% right away.....

Now that sets it apart, i don't think even super car brands do this type of handover process rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 27 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(ketupatlazat @ Jun 26 2019, 04:13 PM)
CKD version will be there eventually, and as such the prices will be more reasonable, albeit i think it still would not beat Civic's value proposition

The biggest disappointment, of course, is Mazda's decision not to put Sky-X as standard. We have been hyped since years ago on this new petrol engine that is as frugal as diesel but much more powerful.
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There won't be ckd version of the 3, judging by the volumes of the current generation. With the price hike, it will be worse volume wise even if CKD. Honda's products offering really fit to malaysian tastes, hard to beat that when mazda is trying to be niche. Bermaz already say will focus CKD efforts on cx5 because got volume and also hub for asean cx5 assembly.

Skyactiv-x engine will hike the price even further, mazda themselves said it is more for countries with stricter emissions regulation (which offsets the competitors pricing advantage). Skyactiv x small change will show up in highest spec new generation mazda6 or cx5 facelift.
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QUOTE(ye0073 @ Jun 30 2019, 07:45 PM)
According to consumer report, New Mazda 3 already being recalled. The quality of this Mazda 3 is really questionable.

Mazda3 Recalled Because Wheels Could Fall Off
The automaker says lug nuts weren’t tightened properly during manufacturing

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Before going paranoid on this, did you really read through and understand what is the issue mentioned in the consumer report?

It is likely due to their tightening wrench/tool for wheel nut setting wasn't correct for certain batches of cars in the assembly process. It is not something inherent engineering or mechanical issue.

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Jul 4 2019, 02:26 PM)
Bermaz is going to get a lesson from the school of hard knocks on how much Malaysians are prepared to pay for a C-segment sedan.
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The ongoing mazda3 wasn't selling in good numbers anyway, bermaz literally can do away the volume of the mazda3 honestly. In short, bermaz tak rasa sakit, they can absorb the margin loss of the mazda3 model. In malaysia, when bring in CBU, relegated to being niche straight away.

QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 4 2019, 05:47 PM)
lol dream on skyactiv-x for malaysian market which they doesnt need it to meet our emission standard, euro 2 fuel still using, why u need skyactiv-x? lol
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I guesstimate, skyactiv-x should show up in the new generation mazda6 or a new trim line during the facelifted cx5.

QUOTE(davidletterboyz @ Jul 4 2019, 06:00 PM)

Anyway, Bermaz's hope is to CKD it quickly to bring the price down a bit.
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Neh, bermaz wants to solely focus on assembly of cx5. Margin too good i guess, willing to close of mazda3 line to dedicate more resources towards assembling cx5. Can't blame them anyway, cx5 assembly here caters for the region, really good money as got volume. Any good thing is the quality will have certain level of consistency.

QUOTE(hussain @ Jul 5 2019, 10:02 AM)

So much hate for this car

Am i the only one excited to get this car?
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Love the car, most hate the price....our market just not willing to pay for better engineering and the fact that mazda just went upmarket. If one really tries to understand the effort behind the product, they can truly understand the value, although a hard swallow because of market perception of mazda built over the years. Not only locally, but also internationally. Only think that this "title" belongs to atas european brands, not cheapo econo japanese brands....

Mazda3 is a test to the market to see how the sentiment is, but their evolution just have to start somewhere and unfortunately (or fortunately), it starts with the mazda3. The real challenge really comes when this new evolution befalls on the future new generation cx5, their genuine bread and butter volume seller...
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QUOTE(hussain @ Jul 5 2019, 11:53 AM)
he he ..so guess not many will be seen on malaysian roads..sweet.. rare and unique..lol
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the ongoing one already rather rare....

But mazda3 a lot in singapore, especially the facelifted ongoing model., Feels like what we see the civic here, like everywhere literally....so mazda does fit to some market's taste, just maybe not so in malaysia.
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QUOTE(hussain @ Jul 5 2019, 11:58 AM)
lol...5 years warranty ma..i usually sell after 5 years all my cars..he he
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wa....pm on the day you decided to let go after 5 years tongue.gif
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QUOTE(SleepingAran @ Jul 5 2019, 01:00 PM)
The new Mazda 3 looks really nice, but I've asked several dealer, they refuse to import 6MT version even by on demand.

I don't understand lah, it's a CBU unit, not CKD unit also, why cannot request import just 6MT leh, sad
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ni bukan mercedes/bmw/audi, boleh buat customised indent order.....

bermaz bulk order, alternatively, you get in touch with the grey importers to help you source, tapi lu bayar lor....

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QUOTE(SleepingAran @ Jul 5 2019, 03:25 PM)
ye ke. I ingat Bermaz buat order on demand saje.

Kerana dealer cakap takde local stocking, selepas bayar deposit mereka baru order dan import, so I ingat boleh import 6MT kot.

Grey importer takut JPJ tak kasi register kot.
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gila punya, macma order pink diamond/super car meh....boleh order seunit sekali. If for R&D/testing, then maybe boleh, tapi for sale, jangan harap, macam manyak free meh buat documentation setiap satu kereta...probably batch order every quarter ke, or half yearly ke....most likely satu order besar, tapi split delivery date.

parallel importers, those dealers that deal with grey import cars. They got their source, they know the documentations and fees required. They can help you, at a price of course. Worth it or not, that is another matter. Atau, you source chop shop in japan, order manual transmission set, and import back here. Pay import duty la, tapi easier i guess, but then need to mod locally. Not sure whether miata's transmission can use or not, because different engine placement...although malaysia does sell miata manual variant. So wait for a local miata manual that total loss??!!

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QUOTE(farmcow @ Jul 6 2019, 01:52 PM)
sa said can get car by end of this month
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fuh....quite fast....

not bad to compensate for the price hike....

QUOTE(hussain @ Jul 6 2019, 06:52 PM)
PS...The newly developed Polymetal Grey is available exclusively on the hatchback. The colour combines bright aluminium flakes and opaque pigment, fusing the hard appearance of metal with plastic’s characteristic glossy smoothness. The colour’s tonality changes depending on the light, accentuating the hatchback’s beautiful form. The body colour line-up also includes Mazda’s two signature colours, Soul Red Crystal and Machine Grey, along with Titanium Flash, Deep Crystal Blue, Snowflake White Pearl, Arctic White, Sonic Silver and Jet Black, making a total of 9 colours available for the hatchback version and 8 colours for the sedan.
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ps.....

Don't scratch it, outside workshop will have a hard time formulating the paint to look original....

QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ Jul 8 2019, 12:23 AM)

1) Drive experience in terms of linear acceleration and cornering (I would like to experience how the g-vectoring tech will kick in when taking corners at reasonable speed)

2) NVH/Noise vehicle insulation when driving in both city and highway situations. Most vehicles in the similar c-class segment (ie Honda Civic, Toyota Altis, etc) can get pretty noisy to the point that makes you consider swapping the stock tyres for quieter profile ones or install aftermarket noise reduction dampening material in the door areas

3) Sound system. Most folks might not highly prioritize this point but when driving solo, it's basically your private space and having a good sound system setup will definitely be a added bonus to immerse you in your music as though you're in your very own private room with headphones on or at least replicate something close to that setting

Individual perception of value is different for everyone so don't let the mass majority influence your decision if you know what you want and feel like you're getting the most bang for your buck. This is definitely not a car for the masses at its high price point but I'm sure it will meet the criteria for a select few.
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spoiler alert
1) you won't feel a thing even when GVC "kicks in", it was intentionally designed that way to work without the drivers knowledge and it is very subtle. Maybe only really observant drivers of the non gvc model mazda3 could feel a bit. If from other car brand, you won't realise it other than the drive somehow "feels" smoother flowing. Then after driving this car for some time, when you step into another car, you just find something a little "off", despite the other car also good handling.

2) don't expect miracles, it is after all still a mass market brand, but definitely improved compare to the previous generation model. In fact, if you read their product briefing, they didn't really emphasise so much on reduction of noise. They emphasise more on harshness, namely the transitioning between different sound frequency range.

3) can't comment on that, personal preference applies.....even i can't really appreciate my close relative's w205 burmester audio...i suck in this department other than wanting my radio to sound clear without distortion or background noise....

tip : just don't make a direct comparison with the civic as the experience is different; product proposition wise, i hands down say civic fits malaysia market taste better.
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QUOTE(bleeper @ Jul 11 2019, 11:23 PM)
Anyone did research on how to set up dashcam? It seems the usb ports will still have power even with engine off. I tested this today at the showroom but didnt test the cigarette lighter
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The proper way to power your dashcam for parking mode is a proper fuse tap or a power reserve system.

QUOTE(Daily11 @ Jul 12 2019, 09:06 AM)
Wat kind of sound ?
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sounds like some metal creaking sound....if you have an older car that's driven upwards of 150k km, you may hear this kind of noise when going over road humps.
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QUOTE(SephirothLee @ Jul 16 2019, 11:54 AM)
I have this issue where my mazda 3 1.6 2013.
All of sudden:
a) Difficulty to start the car but can start after few times of cranking.
b) During acceleration the car will jerk. Especially when u can feel the car changing gear. If i use semi-auto mode and change the gear manually, the problem like doesn't occur.
c) After shift to reverse gear, the gear may not engage. Got to try few times.

The problem still persist but at a lesser frequency after :
a) change of transmission oil
b) battery
c) spark plug

The mazda 3 workshop doesn't seem to know whats the issue.
I suspect is the transmission solenoid or the faulty fuel lines. Any expert can give advice?
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try cleaning/replacing the MAF sensor first.
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QUOTE(Daily11 @ Jul 17 2019, 09:28 AM)
I see. Mazda also make tht noise?
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Quite a known issue on the new generation mazda cars, especially on the mazda3, and especially when wet, almost like a "hidden feature" wink.gif

Mine start creaking just after few months of ownership. Changed mine 2 times within warranty. The latest one lasts a little longer, almost a year but start creaking now.

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jul 17 2019, 02:28 PM)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. In a year's time Mazda 3 will exit our market because at these prices the volume is just not sustainable even for CBU.

The new Mazda 3 may have some very good engineering but the effect is mostly subtle and will not convince buyers to fork out the stiff premium. What was Bermaz smoking?
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It will still remain on the product pipeline, just very slow sales, just like korean cars.

Bermaz ain't the one smoking, it is mazda itself. All markets around the world selling mazda3 also price up, not only malaysia. Quite a lot of UK/US/AUS automotive journalist also express skepticism on mazda's new pricing and premium push. Just that malaysia market even more sensitive.

QUOTE(kevinlim001 @ Jul 17 2019, 02:37 PM)
i agree to the point where bermaz is not really rationale on the pricing setup. To say it will exit, i think it might not be the case as CX3 is being set at similar pricing. The way Bermaz is thinking is to utilize the production to focus for producing CX5 which is more popular than m3. Not to say in Malaysia only but export to TH and ID as well. unless they r going to expand their manufacturing line else M3 will not gain advantage over pricing.
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The real challenge befalls when the next generation cx5 goes through this upmarket revolution. By then, the true appetite of the market will be known, and mazda themsleves are will aware that volumes will be lower. But will margin levels improve or at least maintain with this upmarket push?

Very unlikely there will be further expansion on malaysia side for assembly operations, it is just one really odd one out in the region assembling cx5. Most likely any further expansion will focused on Thailand as already have a lot of powertrain operations :
https://www.carlist.my/news/mazda-expands-p...achining/49246/
https://www.carlist.my/news/mazda-plans-upg...ant-2020/48512/
https://www.carlist.my/news/mazda-begin-pro...thailand/41148/
https://www.carlist.my/news/pilot-productio...thailand/17584/

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