Unfortunately, bloody mess doesn't work that way. Ever used a gauss rifle to blow a human up? The head and half of the torso gets blown off. That's nice. That's believable. Shoot a leg and blow the hips off. Nice too, that's believable. Shoot the belly and tear the whole body in half. Nice too. Zip the body with minigun from groin to head and have it split apart. Again, nice too.

Now how in hell do you shoot a head and have the legs blow clean off on the knee? Bloody mess? More like bloody rubbish physics. Over the top gore doesn't mean you get to do it like a 3 year old.

Now about zombies - they're ghouls. Compare Harold to the bartender. See any difference? The bartender looks like something from resident evil while Harold looks like he came from the Tales from the Crypt. With a tree that grows from his head, of course. THAT's the difference.

Storyline continuity? Yes, F1 and F2 DO connect. You're the vault dweller's descendant, my friend. And you get to meet Tandi. And get to visit Vault 13 again. And the military base. They do connect, you know? Well, BOS seems to be a little more friendly now in F2, but at least you can see the spill-over effects of what happened in F1 in F2. Ever been to Broken Hills?

I did checked my facts. No wait, I didn't. I've played F1 and F2 so many times that those 'facts' have permanently seared my brains.

EDIT: Removed potential flame baits to keep this discussion healthy.

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Added on July 22, 2008, 9:37 am

Neh, you don't need Myron for Jet. Just go sniff some brahmin dung. Raw.

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Added on July 22, 2008, 9:42 am

Try? Maybe. Judging from the gameplay footage, with the horrible animations, teddy-bear death guns, and braindead Africans in Mad Max armor, I've pretty much got my answer. I'll 100% support piracy when it comes to Fallout 3.

And the reviews? Well, reading F3 reviews kind of gave me the idea that game journalists have a serious issue with taste nowadays. GORE!!!! OMFG That's the game of the year! Oh you can kill anybody? Game of the year! Teddy bear gun? Game of the year! OMFG it's built with Oblivion's engine with the horrible animation? Game of the year! OMFG the great graphics! The wasteland! Game of the year!

Although the wasteland did look breath-takingly beautiful. That's perhaps the only thing I like about Oblivion: Fallout.

hehehe..

well said soggie, maybe we should start hoping interplay to re-buy fallout offline right and start the production for FO4

If Interplay is still being headed by Chucky Cuevas, giving the license back to them might be even worse.

I guess the game will be great in its own right as a shooter with RPG elements. But if we were to compare it with its predecessors, well then.... that's a different story altogether.

theres definately going to be comparisons. the ones that have been waiting for this game the longest are the old hardcore fans eg. our good friend soggie.

if it was fresh franchise. id say this game would be frigtacularly awesome.  but. as part of the fallout franchise.. i dont know.

Cant believe ppl already judging the game from nothing but a trailer! Are people still wanting to play a 2D game ? We're at a stage where technology allows developers to produce an immersive game world and introduce better game play.

So the game looks like Oblivion, so is that a bad thing ? Oblivion is wicked and has put single player rpg into another level. It worked and proven successful. Its a benchmark hence why people already comparing games to it.

Wait for the release, play the game and judge it. Otherwise its just a premature ejaculation of unnecessary rant.

Cant believe ppl already judging the game from nothing but a trailer! Are people still wanting to play a 2D game ? We're at a stage where technology allows developers to produce an immersive game world and introduce better game play.

So the game looks like Oblivion, so is that a bad thing ? Oblivion is wicked and has put single player rpg into another level. It worked and proven successful. Its a benchmark hence why people already comparing games to it.

Wait for the release, play the game and judge it. Otherwise its just a premature ejaculation of unnecessary rant.

Cant believe ppl already judging the game from nothing but a trailer! Are people still wanting to play a 2D game ? We're at a stage where technology allows developers to produce an immersive game world and introduce better game play.

So the game looks like Oblivion, so is that a bad thing ? Oblivion is wicked and has put single player rpg into another level. It worked and proven successful. Its a benchmark hence why people already comparing games to it.

Wait for the release, play the game and judge it. Otherwise its just a premature ejaculation of unnecessary rant.

I beg to differ. Oblivion was far from being a true RPG. All quests in the game had only 1 outcome and NPCs were basically quest dispensers (no real interaction, only generic dialogs).

Bethesda had omitted the role in a role-playing game...

You want a "real RPG benchmark"? I'll take the Baldur's Gate Series, Planescape Torment and Interplay's Fallout series as epic examples.....those are real RPGs with sophisticated characters and consequences (or positive outcomes) for every decision the player character makes (plenty of role-playing goodness).

Cant believe ppl already judging the game from nothing but a trailer! Are people still wanting to play a 2D game ? We're at a stage where technology allows developers to produce an immersive game world and introduce better game play.

So the game looks like Oblivion, so is that a bad thing ? Oblivion is wicked and has put single player rpg into another level. It worked and proven successful. Its a benchmark hence why people already comparing games to it.

Wait for the release, play the game and judge it. Otherwise its just a premature ejaculation of unnecessary rant.

It's not about 2D or 3D, it's the core game play elements which is clearly defined in the Fallout bible by the previous developer. Bethesda ignore it as well as how it ignores the existing Fallout fans.

Look at how Diablo3 goes 3D yet it still maintain the same cores.

Given, D3 irked some fans with its "different" environment and brighter colors, but at least Blizzard had the brains to keep the general feel of D3 intact. Imagine D3 turning into an FPS, a totally different genre that would cause a problem with those who for various reasons are unable to play and enjoy FPS as much as the others do. Motion sickness anybody? Took me quite some time to play Gears of War on a controller after spending my life on a WASD+Mouse control scheme.

Imagine if Beth bought over starcraft. SC3 in first person... C&C Renegade anybody?

Imagine if Beth bought over starcraft. SC3 in first person... C&C Renegade anybody?

Why in god's name would anyone turn RTS into FPS ? The whole point of RTS is to manage your army and viewing the battleground. You cant do that running around in first person view. Absurd analogy.

Diablo is a hack n slash game, its silly to turn it into a FPS. Spamming skill x through a wall of monsters, thats not fun at all. It will turn out to be something like Serious Sams but with swords and magic.

Same thing with turning RPGs into FPS.

Don't buy pirated Diablo 3 if you don't want Blizzard to head down the same road as Black Isle.