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kyLL
post Jul 19 2008, 03:00 AM

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i just saw the e3 live demo.. and i noticed something interesting. he was playing with a ps3 controller. yet at the end of the video. he says that they love xbox360 marketplace and downloadable content will be exclusive to xbox360... what gives.


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post Jul 23 2008, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(soggie @ Jul 22 2008, 09:33 AM)
Unfortunately, bloody mess doesn't work that way. Ever used a gauss rifle to blow a human up? The head and half of the torso gets blown off. That's nice. That's believable. Shoot a leg and blow the hips off. Nice too, that's believable. Shoot the belly and tear the whole body in half. Nice too. Zip the body with minigun from groin to head and have it split apart. Again, nice too.

Now how in hell do you shoot a head and have the legs blow clean off on the knee? Bloody mess? More like bloody rubbish physics. Over the top gore doesn't mean you get to do it like a 3 year old.

Now about zombies - they're ghouls. Compare Harold to the bartender. See any difference? The bartender looks like something from resident evil while Harold looks like he came from the Tales from the Crypt. With a tree that grows from his head, of course. THAT's the difference.

Storyline continuity? Yes, F1 and F2 DO connect. You're the vault dweller's descendant, my friend. And you get to meet Tandi. And get to visit Vault 13 again. And the military base. They do connect, you know? Well, BOS seems to be a little more friendly now in F2, but at least you can see the spill-over effects of what happened in F1 in F2. Ever been to Broken Hills?

I did checked my facts. No wait, I didn't. I've played F1 and F2 so many times that those 'facts' have permanently seared my brains.

EDIT: Removed potential flame baits to keep this discussion healthy.


Added on July 22, 2008, 9:37 am

Neh, you don't need Myron for Jet. Just go sniff some brahmin dung. Raw.


Added on July 22, 2008, 9:42 am

Try? Maybe. Judging from the gameplay footage, with the horrible animations, teddy-bear death guns, and braindead Africans in Mad Max armor, I've pretty much got my answer. I'll 100% support piracy when it comes to Fallout 3.

And the reviews? Well, reading F3 reviews kind of gave me the idea that game journalists have a serious issue with taste nowadays. GORE!!!! OMFG That's the game of the year! Oh you can kill anybody? Game of the year! Teddy bear gun? Game of the year! OMFG it's built with Oblivion's engine with the horrible animation? Game of the year! OMFG the great graphics! The wasteland! Game of the year!

Although the wasteland did look breath-takingly beautiful. That's perhaps the only thing I like about Oblivion: Fallout.
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Jul 22 2008, 09:18 PM)
hehehe..

well said soggie, maybe we should start hoping interplay to re-buy fallout offline right and start the production for FO4
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cheers. to the death of fallout 3.. looks like the only 3rd person isometric game i'll be enjoying will be d3. interplay interplay. wherefore art thou..

the game looks so much like a FPS it makes me cringe. =_=;;

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post Jul 23 2008, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(RangerKarl @ Jul 23 2008, 10:13 AM)
If Interplay is still being headed by Chucky Cuevas, giving the license back to them might be even worse.
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interestingly enough.. as i was looking for the date of interplay's closure (which was in 2004), it seems that they made a tonne of money from the sale of the fallout franchise to bethseda.

and judging by their website, interplay looks to be making a comback.

who is chucky cuevas btw? >_<

QUOTE(Enclave Recruit @ Jul 23 2008, 11:57 AM)
I guess the game will be great in its own right as a shooter with RPG elements. But if we were to compare it with its predecessors, well then.... that's a different story altogether.
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theres definately going to be comparisons. the ones that have been waiting for this game the longest are the old hardcore fans eg. our good friend soggie. biggrin.gif

if it was fresh franchise. id say this game would be frigtacularly awesome. but. as part of the fallout franchise.. i dont know.
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post Jul 24 2008, 05:57 PM

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probably a brighter move would have been to spinoff a more FPS form of fallout eh?

but who knows. what are the people across the oceans in amerika and europe saying? are we the only ones making noise about this?
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post Jul 24 2008, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(cracksys @ Jul 24 2008, 09:03 PM)
they should at least try to do something like NWN2 ..

and let's just hope they don't spoil FO3 further by bundling it with mod DK .. seriously, FO has its own world. i don't need people publishing batmobile mod for it.
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you mean a "NUKLEAR" powered batmobile. *snigger*
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post Jul 28 2008, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 27 2008, 10:35 PM)
Actually F03 has 2 views (first person & third person), according to reviewers both are equally balanced (not just Fps like oblivion)

Very few RPG games venture into FPS view but i can name a few
- Gothic 3 (huge failure - so many bugs it makes you cry) A new installment are coming up (with revamped staff of course) flex.gif
- Hellgate london (great innovation by ex-diablo developer bill roper but like gothic 3 huge dissapointment)

Now the ever famous Third person view :
- Two worlds (i really like this game at the begining, great story... but its repititive gameplay & bold statement by its developer :
  "world of Two-worlds is huger than oblivion" yeah so ,there is not much interaction like oblivion did by Bethesda
- Neverwinter nights (very good by bioware) watch below vmad.gif  vmad.gif
- Neverwinter nights 2 (apart from its story & campaign tool) i will not recommend this (bugs, poor camera, graphics) mad.gif  mad.gif
- Witcher (This is one of the best RPG i have ever played BUT super long loading times, when i brew my coffee & came back still loading) yawn.gif
- Mass effect (very good again by bioware, except a bit repetitive)

Now according to metacritic (it aggregates all critics review) It score way over 90+++. In the post 2000 year only Mass effect & few others even reach the point (like kotor 1).

I have no doubt Bethesda will deliver (apart from few bugs) at Graphical level, story, voice-over (so many talented ones) & gameplay (variety)
However judging from an interview F03 when reach ending, the game just finish like that (with credits rolling) i really like oblivion concept of running around after game ends (so many thing to explore)
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im not sure what you're trying to say here.. that FO3 has a score over 90+? o_O the game isnt even out yet.. everything right now is just hype. d:

plus. you cant call the 2 views balanced. im assuming you've seen the demo, the 3rd person view is over the shoulder AND blocking half the screen. not exactly what the fallout fans are looking for.

overall the gameplay mechanics are a little weird. until it comes out and its been tested. i dont think im that excited about it anymore.

fallout3 mmo anyone? d:
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post Jul 29 2008, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Jul 28 2008, 05:46 PM)
Actually FO3 was not out yet, so i can only comment from E3 demo & Bethesda latest past game (oblivion).
It true that oblivion was not perfect (bugs, 3rd person view) but how many other games can match this feat
- aggregate score of 94% on both game ranking & metacritic .
- editor choice for IGN, Gamespy, Gamespot, Pc gamer Us & uk.
- sold over 3 million copies by January 2007.

Can you name a decent / better action-Rpg game that can match Oblivion ?
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i used your 'metacritic' and searched for Diablo. also a 94%. d:

and look at the awards!

* Game of the Year - Computer Gaming World
* Game of the Year - Computer Game Entertainment

* Role-Playing Game of the Year - Computer Games Strategy Plus
* Role-Playing Game of the Year - Computer Net Player
* Role-Playing Game of the Year - Online Game Review
* Role-Playing Game of the Year - Gamecenter
* Role-Playing Game of the Year - runner-up - PC Gamer

* 1998 Best Role-Playing Game - Software Publishers Association
* 1998 Best Multiplayer Online Game - Software Publishers Association
* Best Role-playing Game of the Year, Editor's Choice Awards - PC Games
* Ranked second Best Role-Playing game of All Time - Gamecenter

* Editors' Choice Award - PC Gamer
* CG Choice Award - Computer Gaming World
* #5 Reader's Top 50 - PC Gamer

* A+ rating - GamePen
* 90 Percent rating - PC Gamer
* 10 out of 10 rating - Computer Net Player
* 10 out of 10 rating - Online Game Review
* 9.6 out of 10 rating - Gamespot
* 5 out of 5 rating - Gamecenter
* 4.5 out of 5 rating - Computer Gaming World

taken from blizzard's website. d:

i cant find the figures for the sales though. im assuming by diablo2's sales figures which hit 4 million, i think 3 million was achievable.

btw. those figures for sales of oblivion. are they for the pc+ps3+360? d:

what im trying to say is that critics and game magazine reviews arent everything. alot of times these reviews are done in the least amount of time, the industry is one where the fastest reviews win. the quality of the game isnt really tested. they probably just touched the surface and decided hey, its a nice game. had they spent more time they might have tried to kill themselves. it works vice versa as well. games which are good arent played thoroughly enough and are given mediocre reviews, and thus dont get the "ratings" that you are so proud that oblivion has.

ps. used metacritic again, and found that Zelda twilight princess had a score of 95%! zomg! it beat oblivion! FO3 should totally be made using the Zelda engine! D:

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post Jul 30 2008, 01:33 AM

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zzz.

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post Jul 30 2008, 10:12 PM

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bravo. well said.
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post Jul 31 2008, 09:55 PM

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34... wth. ~_~

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