Unless staind intended to sacrifice harmony with neighbours, should pay.

Bought the cow back and refused to buy string to tie the cow.

I am also considering this option from the beginning. Thanks.

I think the more appropriate analogy is I bought the cow (house), planning to buy the string (security) fee. Just that not willing to pay for the string that the other cows in the same farm are using ( old owner debt).

This post has been edited by staind: Aug 14 2024, 06:39 AM

If you intended to move in to stay, advised you to pay up else is penny wise, pound foolish, not that you couldn't afford.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Aug 14 2024, 07:25 AM

Alright bro. Thanks for the insight.

haha but the same cow (house) that you bought is the one who used the previous string, so it is only logical that the debt falls to the new owner.

however, there is still room to argue because this is not a strata development at the first place. but is it worth sacrificing the relationship with the MC because of this?

The cow got touch the string.

Actually I have been negotiating with the MC but they are like a thug. Lols. In my opinion, the MC also starting the relationship is a bad way. I write in nicely for appeal. i did not want to mentioned all these in my first post as this more towards emotional an d as I just want to know if there is other options available other than don’t pay and pay up.

Basically I am handed a bill which I am not sure if this is really the amount owned. Many questions asked but they are like act blur or reply others. They just change the name to me and stuck it up to me. Not so happy about it so I am exploring some options. I got feel like paying it and will be very critical towards the MC in future.

FYI I am also currently staying at G&G community and never miss a payment. The 3rd party service provider in my current place has contract that if they are able to collect 90%, they will be given bonus. I believe it is the same scheme for this new unit hence the motivation.

The GNG are established under what act? But no matter what the act thru auction purchase, new owner have to assume all the outstanding, apart from those defaulter bank absorb.

Since the outstanding is 4k+, if they cannot provide a full statement from it, then nego a better price such as 50% discount...otherwise if they can cough up a full statement, then had to pay the full sum.

I am also not sure. I got ask the 3rd party service provider but she just act blur. It is an individual title and definitely not strata.

then you also act blur untill they provide full statement...bug them every week untill they either cough up full statement or provide discount to you.

Thanks for the advise. I am asking for 50% discount.

Just called them and pressed for answer.

She said it is under persatuan only and not under strata.
Asked for AGM meeting and proof but she said cannot give me.

The chairman signed rejection letter to me without stating his position nor name. I need to press and press only the clerk said it is chairman. I signed many documents and memo in my work place for customer issuance. confirm can say this is not professional to only put a signature only.

If it is not a strata development, you have no obligation to pay.

Strata Management Tribunal only for landed strata and condos.

If they restrict you from entering, you can always report to the police.

Ask them under what law that you have to pay even the current "fee", not even talking about the "debt". But, you can always negotiate down the "debt" by offering them that you will participate in paying the current "fee" even though you don't have to pay any. It is always good to pay the "fee" in order to keep the place safe because the area was never a strata development from the beginning like a condo.

That is why guard post in individual-titled landed housing will not work, because some residents feel that they do not have obligation to pay the maintenance fee.

End up a small amount of residents pay for it and the rest are just freeloaders.

Individual title committee are volunteers and for the mutual benefits of the neighbourhood. Selfish people spoiled the harmony and degraded security of the neighbourhood, should live alone in padi field.


This post has been edited by icemanfx: Aug 14 2024, 04:22 PM

Even in condos, committee members are mostly volunteers. Most owners would try to avoid joining the committee and so the same group(s) of people have to run the place from year to year.

Thanks bro.
Actually I am in midst of negotiations with them. Just that they are difficult that make me very fed up.

My request for a copy of AGM annual report is turned down. Reason being is I have not paid. They have no qualm change previous owner bill since y2022 to my name.
My current house is also landed individual title GnG. Committee is volunteers and we also engaged 3rd party service provider. Soft copy AGM report is provided in apps, WhatsApp, and Hardcopy will be delivered to mailbox.

If they think that you understand exactly what they cannot do, then it is easier to negotiate with them. Problem is, they may think that most people are ignorant about the whole thing, so they make use of it to demand this and that.

However, you also have to understand that they probably have to do it this way because they really do not have any legal right to demand any money from you and they need the money to function.

Some people think that living in condos is more troublesome but actually living on non-strata landed have its share of problems. In condos, there are laws and by-laws that you may refer to to solve problems. In landed properties, it is not uncommon to see quarrels over parking spaces which do not belong to anyone. And you can't do a thing if abandoned nearby units are overgrown with vegetation and attracting snakes and drug addicts.

Most committee members are aware of their jurisdiction and limitations. They are for the collective benefits of the community and unlikely to abuse their power.

Outcast will find excuses not to pay or contribute.

Maybe negotiate to pay in installments, usually they just want to get the money

This is a non profit making organisation and for the community; residents and owners should support without hesitation.

Only outcast find excuses not to pay.


This post has been edited by icemanfx: Aug 15 2024, 12:38 PM

Legally you don't have a right to the AGM annual report as you are not a member. You need to apply for membership to a society and pay the "membership" fees. Legally the RA also has no right to collect any money from you as you are not a member and there is no law/contract compelling you to pay. But you can't get the access card so have to manually open the gate yourself or register as a visitor every time you go home. The law is clear as it stands. This is more of a "practical" issue requiring a "practical" solution.