Hi, I need some help. There is this unit I am interested with but reading the pos make me confused.

I think it may be bumi lot but I am not sure. am right to say this is a bumi lot? Or does it means if this lot sold to bumi bidder, then it will be converted to bumi lot.

Auction is a high court auction.
Current owner/defendant is Malay.
POS states this restriction/ Sekatan kepentingan.

Tanah yang diperuntukkan untuk Bumiputera ini
apabila sahaja bertukar miliknya kepada seorang Bumiputera/Syarikat Bumiputera maka tidak boleh dijual, dipajak atau dipindahmilik dengan apa cara sekalipun kepada orang yang bukan Bumiputera/Bukan Syarikat Bumiputera tanpa kebenaran Pihak Berkuasa Negeri

This post has been edited by staind: Jan 2 2024, 10:57 AM

Thanks.
I am a non bumi.
I just called the auction property agent who posted this advertisement today and he said this is a high court auction unit hence bumi/non bumi is a non issue.

Have you heard of this?
I wish to confirm his statement. Some googling show he may be right but I wonder if there is something else I don’t understand like what you just mentioned.

Thanks a lot

Thanks for the answer and sharing your valuable experience.
The properties is not under Malay reserved.

If I may, If I win this auction and subsequently decided to sell it in future, is there restriction that I must get consent from authority in future? Sorry I am not familiar but wish to buy this property for own stay.

Thanks bro

I recently won a high court auction for a vacant landed property that comes with an individual title. The house is 4 years old. Originally, the neighborhood was not gated and guarded, but the residents applied to the local council for permission to build fencing and install gates three years ago. The management of the gated area has since been subcontracted to a third-party service provider.

I contacted the service provider to request a security access card, but they denied my request, insisting that I must first pay off the outstanding fees owed by the previous owner. I reviewed the outstanding balance, which initially listed the previous owner as "unknown." However, after I reached out for the access card, they changed the outstanding balance to my name. The management committee claims they never knew who the previous owner was and were unable to collect the security fees from him. They further stated that I must pay previous owner's outstanding under the reason that I must accept all risks and responsibilities of my unit including maintenance fee as I bought this unit from auction.

In my case, Plaintiff (bank) only allow Cukai Tanah and Cukai Tanah to be claimable. Maintenance fee is not covered.

I wrote an appeal, expressing my commitment to pay future maintenance fees, but it was rejected. Has anyone else experienced something similar? What options do I have in this situation?

thank you in advance.



This post has been edited by staind: Aug 13 2024, 11:02 PM

It is around rm4k.

It is not strata development. The title is individual title.
They name it management fee in the outstanding bill but to me it is Security fee.

Thanks.
Is there any avenue I can bring this to higher authority?
I called up local council and they said should bring this up to Tribunal Perumahan. I think Tribunal perumahan is based on Strata Management Act which my unit may not be covered.

I am also considering this option from the beginning. Thanks.

I think the more appropriate analogy is I bought the cow (house), planning to buy the string (security) fee. Just that not willing to pay for the string that the other cows in the same farm are using ( old owner debt).

This post has been edited by staind: Aug 14 2024, 06:39 AM

Alright bro. Thanks for the insight.

The cow got touch the string.

Actually I have been negotiating with the MC but they are like a thug. Lols. In my opinion, the MC also starting the relationship is a bad way. I write in nicely for appeal. i did not want to mentioned all these in my first post as this more towards emotional an d as I just want to know if there is other options available other than don’t pay and pay up.

Basically I am handed a bill which I am not sure if this is really the amount owned. Many questions asked but they are like act blur or reply others. They just change the name to me and stuck it up to me. Not so happy about it so I am exploring some options. I got feel like paying it and will be very critical towards the MC in future.

FYI I am also currently staying at G&G community and never miss a payment. The 3rd party service provider in my current place has contract that if they are able to collect 90%, they will be given bonus. I believe it is the same scheme for this new unit hence the motivation.

I am also not sure. I got ask the 3rd party service provider but she just act blur. It is an individual title and definitely not strata.

Thanks for the advise. I am asking for 50% discount.

Just called them and pressed for answer.

She said it is under persatuan only and not under strata.
Asked for AGM meeting and proof but she said cannot give me.

The chairman signed rejection letter to me without stating his position nor name. I need to press and press only the clerk said it is chairman. I signed many documents and memo in my work place for customer issuance. confirm can say this is not professional to only put a signature only.

Thanks bro.
Actually I am in midst of negotiations with them. Just that they are difficult that make me very fed up.

My request for a copy of AGM annual report is turned down. Reason being is I have not paid. They have no qualm change previous owner bill since y2022 to my name.
My current house is also landed individual title GnG. Committee is volunteers and we also engaged 3rd party service provider. Soft copy AGM report is provided in apps, WhatsApp, and Hardcopy will be delivered to mailbox.

😂.
Committee awards projects to own cronies and earn commission is not unheard off and is happening around the world. To say unlikely to abuse power is not true. Anyway this is off topic.

My current house has Exactly same type of title and G&G communities as my new house and my committee issued this statement in AGM.

Quote “The collection rate has been improving and the receivable reduced by more than 20k compare to previous year. We have 2 errant residents who are refusing to pay maintenance fee and had received court order to demand them to pay the maintenance fee. Management will follow up closely to retrieve the outstanding
maintenance fee.”unquote.

Do you think above action to issue court order is an abuse of power? Is the court order legit? Or the committee know their limitation and jurisdiction?

Many people do not understand how our law works. I am not sure of your background nor I am saying you understand or not. Peace. I do happen to involve in some of these matters in different field of work and maybe can share some insights and answer the few questions above.

Whatever that is compounded in our nation, like where fines/summon can be imposed or court case, it has to fall under Akta or in English Act. All the Akta in our country need to be debated and passed in Parliament for relevant authorities to implement. Under an Act, there is Regulation then followed by Order, ICOP and Guidelines. Guidelines even though it can exist in Akta is not compoundable and no fines can be imposed by authority. Sometimes, Guidelines can be abused even by authority to issue fine due to lack of public awareness or for public interest. In such a case, the fine does not stand and can be challenged in court and judge will throw the fines away immediately. *hint this “abuse” happened to our country not long ago. All this is like what some politician called it, the Rule of Law or Rule of “Akta”. So how do we know when something is covered by Akta? You look for the word Section.

I explain this because strata properties is under Strata Management Act 2013, hence actions taken to retrieve amount own or seizure of asset is legit in the eye of law. This also give the JMB the power they have. If we understand things from this Rule of Law perspective, a lot of things and daily news make much more sense and more understandable.

Up to this stage, go back to the earlier question? Do you still have similar answer to the earlier questions?

To be honest, I was unsure of the authority the management has in the beginning and confused when the committee issued me the bill and make demand they did. Based on the knowledge I have, the action seems to me out of bound when they come to me with authority. Hence, I asked what I asked. I believe the context of my initial post is clear.

From the many replies , I have gotten the answer. Basically there is no Akta here. It is just basic morality issue. Discussion is much healthier if there is no label of people based on anyone’s bias and context is properly understood.

This post has been edited by staind: Aug 16 2024, 12:08 AM

Interesting info.
For my current unit, I need to check back.
For the auction unit, it was a non GnG initially so highly likely none.

At the end, after few rounds of discussion and argument, they gave a 50% discount and I paid up.