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post Oct 30 2020, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(RadenMasIV @ Oct 30 2020, 09:02 AM)
Is the 90 days period to get loan for auction house enough? Otherwise your deposit could burn. Any experience sharing appreciated.

I am a tenant, the house I am staying is going to be auction soon. I am thinking to bid if it down to my budget.
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If you really keen to take over, you might as well find a banker now to pre-access your loan eligibility 1st. If loan can approve then can plan for the bidding.
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post Oct 30 2020, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 30 2020, 09:25 AM)
Go to the bank with owner to discuss and work out a deal. Make him an offer above reserved price. Nego till happy three sides.

If you bid, you may lose and have to shift unless winner wants to cont renting.
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Obviously for tenant side he want to purchase at the lowest price possible loh...

Btw if the tenancy agreement still running, assuming tenant lose the bid, the agreement how ah?void?
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post Oct 30 2020, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(RadenMasIV @ Oct 30 2020, 10:20 AM)
Yes,  1st round price is ridiculous same as original selling price 3 years ago.

On agreement, I still got my 2 month deposit, now negotiating with agent.
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yea, so maybe on 2nd/3rd round then you would go in.

negotiating with what agent? thought you should negotiate with owner??
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post Sep 20 2023, 03:38 PM

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Hi sifu, based on the claused in POS " Any arrears of quit rent, assessment, taxes, rates and maintenance charges which are lawfully and rightfully due and payable to the Developer and/or other relevant authorities up to the date of the auction sale shall be paid out of the purchase money"

Example all those arrears at RM 20k, i won the bidding at RM 500k, so "all the arrears shall be paid out of the purchase money" mean the RM 20k will pay from the RM 500k? so literally means me as the winner bidder no need to fork out extra $$ other than the RM 500k?
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post Sep 21 2023, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 21 2023, 02:32 PM)
Yes, but ready it carefully the full details, it written up to the date, mean for how long time? i know some bank only covered up to 6 year, if longer then nope. If it under strata condo, maintenance charge excluding, late payment charge (penalty), water charge, fire insurance. And the procedure is, you need to settled the amount in first hand upon successful purchased period 60day. then send all the receipt to lawyer pass to bank, and claimed back from bank from that 500K.

If the owner debt developer money (downpayment or loan with developer), bank will not covered, its extra money need to pay, so do the due diligent before enter the bid hall.  rolleyes.gif
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yes the 1 i eyeing is strata condo. if able to claim back then no problem. just want to double confirm from the wording...got alot homework need to be done because the bidding yesterday got no bidder, so next round i'll go in...any pro can give tips? much appreciated. tongue.gif
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post Sep 21 2023, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 21 2023, 08:55 PM)
As long the price is right, then can go in. Just make sure you are not ego while bidding. Do the due diligent like land title, is it bumi lot? if the defaultor is bumi, then be careful. Do the caveat / land search, make sure the unit not debt the downpayment from developer, site visit and hope the unit is vacant unit, ask the MO how much maintenance fee outstanding. Make sure the developer not in liquidation, if not it will be cash buy. Double transfer or direct transfer, etc.

Make sure you are loan eligibility before bidding.
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1)Based on POS owner bought year 2020 auction this year so should have no outstanding with developer
2) maintenance fee rm 475 month, outstanding RM 6k++ claimable, means not paying for 1 year++
3) master title, can do direct transfer based on agent mention
4) confirm non bumi owner Chinese
5)occupied, but dunno who is that, tenant or owner
6) developer quite famous not worry on liquidation
7) loan eligible check edi

Now what left is do site visit, land search, visit neighbour get info.
Already set price, if over then will give up. I treat this as an experience, always look look look but no action also waste time. If really bid Tio then can further learn the whole process. Only thing I worry the most is the house condition, but it’s a 2018 vp condo and owner own for 2-3 years, hopefully not too teruk.

Anything else should take notes? I wondering if bidding day got 10-20 units auction, we have to wait whole day? Or example my unit is 8th units, and got allocate time edi 1pm bid so I go in wait half an hour then start?
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post Sep 21 2023, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 21 2023, 10:17 PM)
Its offline auction? Normally the auction process very smooth, its only introduction at beginning then start to bid for 1st unit to the end, not continuely repeat the introduction speak. so the process very fast. And in the catalog maybe have 20 - 30 unit at the date, but it the unit was called off, or not bidder registered, then the lot will be skipped. So in the end maybe only half from the catalog unit was bidding on that day.

1, yes as long the unit was not vacant = mean not downpayment own by the owner
2, If 1 year not paying the maintenance fee, the access card was bar already, but still not vacant, mean the people stay inside very hardworking climbing the stair everyday, or the unit you are aiming is low level unit.
3, yeah, under master title, normally can be direct transfer, but there are a case, while waiting auction, and waiting loan disbursement period, and waiting for lawyer doing the paper work + transfer name for DOA take times. They are some case (i forgotten but i think i ever see similar case) the strata title was issued during in the after won to bid a unit. So the procedure of title transfer was changed immediately, so you need to consider this uncertainty may happen. As you mentioned it 2018y vped condo, now 2023 year already, so normally strata title will be issued in this kind of period.
7) hope the loan eligible you checked is the higher price you can bid, not the entry price. If you share POS let said 500K, bank said ok for 500K, in the end 550K deal, but bank said 550K cannot (because some bank need to buy MRTA and will add the loan amount) (some people even request add the loan legal fee into loan)

:v i recommend you can rent a night airbnb at that project, to play with the facilities, jalan jalan surrounding, see the environment, and try to site visit your unit at different direction etc. haha At the same time you can check youtube for the particular layout in that condo, a lot agent shoot the condo video for rent, so you can see what is the unit layout if cannot imagine via the layout plan. thumbup.gif  Good Luck
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It’s online bidding only I think. Any different in process?Loan side should be no problem because the worst worst worst case scenario is pay cash 1st( which will be very hassle but should be able to gather the funds)

About the unit, haha last time during launching got go visit before, it’s the layout that we like, know the surrounding quite well because near my house.

About occupied or vacant, that’s need to wait for site visit and ask around.


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post Sep 23 2023, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Sep 23 2023, 05:16 PM)

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Any place can see successfully bid property?
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post Sep 23 2023, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Sep 23 2023, 10:23 PM)
Not, hard working agent participate in every bidding and record by themselves, then some of them will post to their own Facebook page. But most of the time they participate because they have client participating also.
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I know there are few Facebook page that post updates. But any other method that can check? Tried cross searching the units that Facebook page mention sold but can find on auction page. I assume it can’t be found
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post Nov 26 2023, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 26 2023, 09:36 AM)
Once hammer falls, auctioned unit bank will paid to Auctioneer & agent. Bidder pay 0 to agent.

Do somebody asking fee from you?
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Not all bank cover agent fee…. Some bank auction buyer need to pay the agent fee themselves..
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post Nov 26 2023, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 26 2023, 04:39 PM)
I think it's not possible. If yes, agent will ask for commission instead of bank asking bidder to pay.

Simple, if bank not provide commision to agent, agent can simply not promoting that bank auction.

Since it's bank not provide commision, but agent still want to promote, mean agent will ask the fee from bidder, not bank ask buyer to pay.

Auction is for public, without agent, everyone can participate, so where the law to said bidder must need to go through agent for bidding?
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It’s well known that some bank that dun cover agent fee edi…. You can ask around….

Every one can bid without agent, but if there is aftermath issue such as tenant/owner not moving away and without agent owner have to do everything themselves…

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post Nov 28 2023, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Nov 28 2023, 03:33 PM)
There are plenty of bank give commission for auction, why an auction agent want to service those bank not paying?

If you are not getting paid, then why you want spent money to advertising those units?

This is the first logic. If a bidder special request auction agent to hunt specific unit that fall under those not paying commission bank, then it's another story. Since it mutually agreed in first.

But most of the time auction buyer want to save all cost and minimise the money spending. So if they can choose, most of them 100% choose those unit cover all fee by banks.

Except the agent taking risk to lie buyer in first, then claimed afterward. For example, auction bidding can't guarantee win the bid, so agent post the listing, attract buyer to bid. If lose then nvm, but if win, then they will required the agent fee. So in this case who will be wrong? Who didn't disclosed the service fee in advance?
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Most of the time is this....As bidder hunt for units that fits their criteria, but its under bank that doesnt cover agent fee, bidder also no choice have to pay the agent fee and take it as part of the auction cost.

For agent promoting units that bank doesnt cover agent fee, normally agent will tell bidder beforehand that this bank doesnt cover agent fee, so bidder have to bear....And you ask why agent still want to promote? because its still a sales lead what....you promote and have bidder, you earn commission, doesnt matter bank pay or bidder pay....you dun promote at all means no commission at all.
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post Jan 2 2024, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(staind @ Jan 2 2024, 01:20 PM)
Thanks.
I am a non bumi.
I just called the auction property agent who posted this advertisement today and he said this is a high court auction unit hence bumi/non bumi is a non issue.

Have you heard of this?
I wish to confirm his statement. Some googling show he may be right but I wonder if there is something else I don’t understand like what you just mentioned.

Thanks a lot
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High court auction is Non-LACA, means perfection of transfer already done. Means the title is under owner name, not developer name. Only developer title (LACA) have bumi/non-bumi issue, as it is a fulfillment quota needs by the developer.

Therefore everyone can bid for this unit unless it is malay reserved.



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post Jan 9 2024, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Jan 9 2024, 04:51 PM)
Auction unit case: current owner No.2  bought subsale  from owner No.1 and now his unit is up for auction.
Called developer and they say Strata Title issued but original owner No.1 never bothered to do strata title perfection n sold it off to owner No.2.

Question: So as a new bidder ( potential owner No.3 ) for this auction unit, do I need to do double transfer or just one direct transfer where developer direct transfer to bidder who won this auction?
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something is wrong in this scenario.

Supposingly when owner No2 bought the unit when the strata title was issued, owner 2 had to do the transfer title under his name in order to get loan to disburse to owner 1.

TO answer your question, ignoring's the werid part mentioned above, your agent need to ask developer whether can do direct transfer or not. If can, the will have some admin fee that you need to pay, if cannot direct transfers then need to do double transfer.
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post Feb 20 2024, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(engm85 @ Feb 17 2024, 11:08 PM)
where is the best source (without bleeding my wallet) to see the history of transacted auction price for any particular property.
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post Feb 21 2024, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Oct 15 2017, 01:32 PM)
Read the term and conditions. Some bank cover fully all outstanding cukai, maintenance fees, sinking fund, fire insurance and late charges penalty. Usually foreign bank like Hong Leong, SCB, Citibank very generous and will cover all.

AmBank cover partial. Only maintenance fees will cover. Sinking fund and cukai need to own pay.
PBB cover the outstanding with a limit cap base on the value of the property.

Utilities bill you need to pay. TNB, SYABAS, Indah Water. There are ways to check.

Your 100k statement is wrong. It is too general. Mostly will be the same cost involve like buying from subsale. Here I put down the cost:
1. 10% dp of the final winning price. rest 90% using loan or (70% loan + cash)
2. Legal fees for DOA & Loan Agreement. (lelong no S&P so legal cost will be slightly lower compare to buying from subsale).
3. Stamp duty (MOT & Loan).
4. Valuation fees.
5. Outstanding utilities bill.
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Hi Askar perang, recently i win a bidding and the lawyer quote me Proclamation of Sale Legal fee & the standard loan legal fee.

Thought from your comment here mention no S&P, so legal cost will be lower? at 1st my impression is there wont be any S&P/POS legal fee related legal fee, only loan legal fees.
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post Feb 21 2024, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 21 2024, 01:53 PM)
There is still legal cost known as DOA (deed of assignment).
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So i think i misunderstand. I thought the fee will be lower alot. Thanks for clarification.
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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Feb 21 2024, 04:30 PM)
Was this auction a high court auction ?
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LACA, still master title
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post Feb 21 2024, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Feb 21 2024, 05:11 PM)
Ok. Then need DoA.
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If high court auction no DOA, the legal fee is cheaper? no legal fee for POS/DOA ?
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post Feb 21 2024, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Thasmita @ Feb 21 2024, 05:21 PM)
High court auction means title out. Next step is MOT.

I buy cash - so I do the form 14a myself.

So it’s free
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hmm if u buy cash, then no loan legal fee related.

Then u pay lawyer on what fee?

and the MOT u said u do the form 14a yourself, so no need appoint lawyer? rclxub.gif

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