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post Feb 8 2008, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(air_mood @ Feb 8 2008, 05:15 PM)
You do realize you're in the LYN forum?? Most of the people here on in their early 20's or teens. The likes of Jonno, schmeichel7, Duke Red and madmoz are a rare breed here and by that I mean the ones in their very late 20's or the early 30's. So they are more likely to know and feel about the of Supermokh and all. Me, I'm 24 so I would have been most likely playing with toy cars or rattles at the point of time when the likes of SuperMokh, Soh Chin Aun and R.Arumugam were in the twilights of their career and was probably still little sperms and ovums when they were playing their best football. So it is not hard to understand. I do hear a lot of stories being told by my mom and uncles who were big football fans before they got married and were regular matchgoers at Stadium Merdeka then although after she got married, she stopped going so growing up in a non-football following family didn't help either.

SuperMokh is like Duncan Edwards to us Manchester United fans, never see them play but we know of their greatness. And again, with all the crap and roller coaster situations going on with Malaysian football, you can't really blame football fans from distancing themselves with teh team. With the vast amounts invested on the team, you'd expect the team to at least put up a fight but time and time again, they disappoint. We can even barely get to the finals of the Sea Games nowadays, let alone qualifying for the Asian Cup without being host. In my time, the best Malaysian team has got to be in the early 90's. We even won the 93 Merdeka tournament albeit beating a Korea Republic B side. We too beat CIS in the semis. The likes of Zainal Abidin Hassan, Dollah Salleh weres till playing then and Azman Adnan was a fresh face who had an excellent, excellent tournament scoring many goals in the runup to the final and eventually the final itself.. Nowadays we even have trouble beating New Zealand and Laos.
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If you are so clever and ' young ' and can't remember local greats , how come you can remember edwards ? That WAS even longer than Mokhthar and co.

Knowing about them legitimies one's affinity for the game , a natural progression not some pondan who jumped on the bandwagon when Paul masefields uglymug appeares on TV.


Added on February 8, 2008, 7:27 pm
QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Feb 8 2008, 05:55 PM)
Errr...if I were a supporter of Perak or god-knows-where, why would I 'progress' to the foreign leagues? The reason why I don't even support any of our local teams is because I think that the product [football, commentary, how it is marketed and everything] is inferior. I would only look elsewhere if that were the case and sadly, it is so. And, your claims that consumers cannot be loyal is fallacious. Haven't you heard of brand loyalty? I started consuming Manchester United but then, there's an emotional affinity that goes beyond rational preference.

And as I have said, I really do not need your approval to prove myself as a real fan. I can go on and say all the right things about any team in the world but that would mean F all as no one would truly know how I feel but me.
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You are changing you story now , if you dont need approval then why reply ??!

Brand loyalty my ass . Consumers change brands like they change shirts .

And dont repeat conversation o/w I wont answer .


This post has been edited by Haunkiem: Feb 8 2008, 07:27 PM
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post Feb 8 2008, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 07:12 PM)
If you are so clever and ' young ' and can't remember local greats , how come you can remember edwards ?  That WAS even longer than Mokhthar and co.

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Read up properly. Where again did I say we don't remember?? I said we never had the pleasure of seeing them play or at least enjoy it as most of them on here are too young to even bother about football I reckon, with toys more of a priority. And I said Supermokh is to me like Duncan Edwards, we hear everything about their greatness, no chance to see them play though.
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post Feb 8 2008, 08:53 PM

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your game is over anyway .

No matter what you say the EPL has found 300 million more glamour pondan fans .

they dont need you , they dont respect you , they dont want you .

What can you offer them ? your $ peanuts compared to the new PRCfans.

Don't anger at me , direct it to the cause of your problems.
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post Feb 8 2008, 09:08 PM

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Would have considered getting angry if it makes sense. But seeing that you are barely doing so, I'm not going to bother. Glamour pondan?? Now there's a new word. You have issues, sort it out.

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post Feb 8 2008, 10:29 PM

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what issues ?
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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 06:29 AM)
fair enough , it may soon be academic in a bad way -

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/627842
But even so , all local guys like you who talks about tradition , history etc - what about the history of Malaysia National team .

Do you even know anything about the glory days of the 70s and early 80s ?


Mokhthar , James Wong , Shukor , Wong Chong Wah , Yip Chee Keong , Jamal Nasir , Bakri , Arumugam.

All real local fans should start here then the natural progression is to the UK scene.
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To know something about the glory days is one thing, to start becoming a fan from Malaysian football is another. If all I had watched in the beginning was Malaysian football, I would have given up long ago. It was boring!

And what has knowing about Malaysian football got to do with knowing overseas football? It's about knowledge. If knowledge about overseas football is easier to gain, then most fans would know about overseas football first. Just like how the EPL is such a big money maker when other European leagues like Spain's, France's, Italy's and Germany's isn't very well known yet.

QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 04:54 PM)
OK , good , of course everyone is in agreement  about the shiet state of local football , I have no sympathy.

But do you feel an affinity with the guys of the glory days ?  you were alive then  , you must have realised the fevour our national team created , how come you don't feel a bond with the likes of the Wongs , mokhthar etc ?

I feel closer to these than I do any EPL player I can tell you that . It legitimies one's affinity for the game , a natural progression not some pondan who jumped on the bandwagon when Paul masefields uglymug appeares on TV.
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When you start to support a player, you form an emotional bond. Just because the player is 2000 km away doesn't make it less of a bond. Unless you tell me you personally knew the Wongs, mokhthar, etc. a bond with them is about as strong as a bond with Duncan Edwards.

btw, does that mean that you believe that we should support the local music scene first before support any overseas artist?
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post Feb 9 2008, 04:16 AM

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Lan tao , if you know Edwards , the you should also know James etc .

If not you are FAKE
If local music is as good or better than foreign stuff , of course - now ask me how this relates to the glory days . I know what youre going to say.
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so only 1 real fan here .. haunkiem ahh ... for the lulz ...
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post Feb 9 2008, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(whoopa @ Feb 9 2008, 05:20 AM)
so only 1 real fan here .. haunkiem ahh ... for the lulz ...
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icon_rolleyes.gif and air_mood called me an old fart... sweat.gif

btw, Hannah T FTW!!!

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post Feb 9 2008, 02:12 PM

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Now, what I don't get is why would we progress to foreign leagues if the Malaysian league was good enough? If I were in England (born and bred), why would I support Madrid or Barca? I would support my local team since the league system and everything is alright. However, since the local league's crap, hence me watching a foreign league and supporting a foreign team.

Secondly, I know nuts about Malaysian football but so? Is literature on it widely available? NO! Try googling Mokhtar Dahari and see how many results provide information. Secondly, ever come across anyone reading about a club, then only supporting them? I'd be amazed if madmoz or air_mood started reading about the clubs' history before starting to watch a clubs' match! So I don't support the national team or any of the local clubs, as such, why read on them?

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this is quite a nonsense of finding out everything abt the club before liking it or supporting it .. its like u do all ur research on the gal and know everything before falling for her ... its like ... whats there to discover anymore liaw lol ..
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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 8 2008, 10:29 PM)
what issues ?
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Firstly, you sound very, very bitter about the foreign leagues. I don't know about the other leagues, but since we're talking about the English League here, let's start with that. Honestly, you sound like Richard Scudamore just gang raped or taken your milk money here. There's a reason why people like watching foreign leagues as opposed to local leagues. It's interesting and more attractive. Simple really.

Secondly, your constant reference to people who supports international leagues as 'glamour pondan'. 1st thing I got to ask, what are you...8? Either you have an affinity towards pondans or you are one, hence your fondness of use of the word, whatever the hell it is. It doesn't even makes sense for starters.

As I've said. You got issues. Sort it out.
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Feb 9 2008, 02:36 PM)
this is quite a nonsense of finding out everything abt the club before liking it or supporting it .. its like u do all ur research on the gal and know everything before falling for her ... its like ... whats there to discover anymore liaw lol ..
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You'll come to realise that a good majority of fans don't bother to 'discover' more.
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LOL at people who talk about England and then Spain and then to falling in love .

What the fvck does that have to do with anything ? bullshiet , people like this deserve what they get .

better watch out or I should reprt / invite some UK fans over and then we'll how they like the glamour pondans.

I think they will skinhead stomped and I will laff .


Added on February 9, 2008, 5:53 pm
QUOTE(air_mood @ Feb 9 2008, 02:58 PM)
Firstly, you sound very, very bitter about the foreign leagues. I don't know about the other leagues, but since we're talking about the English League here, let's start with that. Honestly, you sound like Richard Scudamore just gang raped or taken your milk money here. There's a reason why people like watching foreign leagues as opposed to local leagues. It's interesting and more attractive. Simple really.
What a load of boolocks , you havent followed the chat and you come up with this crap ?

QUOTE(air_mood @ Feb 9 2008, 02:58 PM)
Secondly, your constant reference to people who supports international leagues as 'glamour pondan'. 1st thing I got to ask, what are you...8? Either you have an affinity towards pondans or you are one, hence your fondness of use of the word, whatever the hell it is. It doesn't even makes sense for starters.
who said I am a fan , I am an ex fan but an interested party and an ex semi pro . I have more right than you to say what I want.


QUOTE(air_mood @ Feb 9 2008, 02:58 PM)
As I've said. You got issues. Sort it out.
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I agree the issue with you is you are angry about what I report from UK , not my words . If you really care so much why not go to the UK fans sites and tell them in their face and sort it out ?
Ah , of course not you have no guts for it , I wonder who is the glamour pondan ?

Come one I know your reply Im ready.


Added on February 9, 2008, 6:06 pmTo All ,

I dont care about what you think , I dont want you to agree with me , I dont need you.

These are my views , take it or leave it , your opinions are not importatnt to me.

Don't worry , I have found UK fans agree with me and I will be telling them about you people then we'll see .


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so arrogant of you...
just relax and smile..
dont have to whine around...respect other opinions and others will respect you.

cheers smile.gif
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post Feb 9 2008, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 9 2008, 05:45 PM)
LOL at people who talk about England and then Spain and then to falling in love .

What the fvck does that have to do with anything ? bullshiet , people like this deserve what they get .

better watch out or I should reprt / invite some UK fans over and then we'll how they like the glamour pondans.

I think they will skinhead stomped and I will laff .


Added on February 9, 2008, 5:53 pm

What a load of boolocks , you havent followed the chat and you come up with this crap ?
who said I am a fan , I am an ex fan but an interested party and an ex semi pro . I have more right than you to say what I want.
I agree the issue with you is you are angry about what I report from UK , not my words . If you really care so much why not go to the UK fans sites and tell them in their face  and sort it out ?
Ah , of course not you have no guts for it , I wonder who is the glamour pondan ?

Come one I know your reply Im ready.


Added on February 9, 2008, 6:06 pmTo All ,

I dont care about what you think , I dont want you to agree with me , I dont need you.

These are my views , take it or leave it , your opinions are not importatnt to me.

Don't worry , I have found UK fans agree with me and I will be telling them about you people then we'll see .

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If I were an ex semi-pro, I would have achieved as much as you would have, which is nothing. Secondly, just because you were a semi-pro doesn't give you more of a right to express your opinion over anything. You don't have to be a former Prime Minister to critique the government. Otherwise, the thing we call freedom of speech? It wouldn't exist. Stop deluding yourself thinking you have more of a right than us. Learn to type properly before anything smile.gif

And the opinions of UK fans aren't better than ours or anything. So just because they agree with you doesn't make you right. Go on and tell them about us? What are you going to do? rolleyes.gif

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Those UK fans agree with me. Me = R0x0r. Grow up. So we should know the old Malaysian legends to be considered a real fan of Everton/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/ManUtd. I better start learning up on them. All hail the great master on his shiny high horse. I bow to you.
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If being involved semi professionally as a player gives one the 'real' right to be a fan (or ex-fan) and the make his/her comments credible then there will be very few footie fans around eh? Haunkiem, i understand where you are coming at, but your holier than thou statements are starting to grate.


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QUOTE(Haunkiem @ Feb 9 2008, 05:45 PM)
LOL at people who talk about England and then Spain and then to falling in love .

What the fvck does that have to do with anything ? bullshiet , people like this deserve what they get .

better watch out or I should reprt / invite some UK fans over and then we'll how they like the glamour pondans.

I think they will skinhead stomped and I will laff .


Added on February 9, 2008, 5:53 pm

What a load of boolocks , you havent followed the chat and you come up with this crap ?
who said I am a fan , I am an ex fan but an interested party and an ex semi pro . I have more right than you to say what I want.
I agree the issue with you is you are angry about what I report from UK , not my words . If you really care so much why not go to the UK fans sites and tell them in their face  and sort it out ?
Ah , of course not you have no guts for it , I wonder who is the glamour pondan ?

Come one I know your reply Im ready.


Added on February 9, 2008, 6:06 pmTo All ,

I dont care about what you think , I dont want you to agree with me , I dont need you.

These are my views , take it or leave it , your opinions are not importatnt to me.

Don't worry , I have found UK fans agree with me and I will be telling them about you people then we'll see .

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Bro.. Sorry to say this but I think you are a bit emotional lah when many people disagree with you.

Wait a minute.. then am I wrong to say that? But you said that you don't care what others think... You don't need us, you don't want to agree with you.

Then what's the point raising the issue then..

Seriously... treat people the way like you want people to treat you. If you treat people like this, I mean.. if you respond like the way you did to others.. would you expect people to treat you better?

This discussion is getting out of hand already.. no more of being a true fan or not. It is more of if you want to be a so called 'true fan', there is a pre-requisite and it is that you must know the history of our national team and clubs first before you support other teams.

Yes, it is a noble thing to support our local team and national teams. But again, it is everyone's right to follow or not the local team. For me, even though I am born in Johor but I have my heart for Perak FA because I was raised 20 years in Ipoh. Is it a pre-requisite for me if I want to become a Perak fan, I must support and learn about Johor FA first?

You guys (most of you guys) have all forgotten the real meaning of being a fan. Which is.. to enjoy and have fun... Why is it that so many people take it seriously on how you started support a team or do you support your national team or not when you support your club.

FYI, for Man United fans... do you know why the United fans sing 'Argentina Argentina....' when they cheer Heinze and Tevez? It's because they don't like their national team (England). Why? Because, the england fans have treated United fans badly in the past. Cheers like 'Stand up if you hate Man U' heard in Wembley when players like Becks, Scholesey etc play.. makes the United fans less impressed, thus they don't support England (most of them.. not all). Should I question them or their rights?

To me.. I dunno if many agrees with me or not.. is that you shouldn't question if a fan is true enough or not. Let them show their love how it is... It doesn't make fan A from Manchester a more better fan from fan B who lives in India, when fan A goes to all epl matches, buys all the pies that he can eat, buys and collects all the match programs, queues in the rain and sun to buy tickets and fan B is not so rich.. slightly poor, but has the effort to buy a genuine t-shirt... and cheers the team from far. Who are we to question fan B's alliance or way of loving a club?

I believe that most of the younger generation fans have limited knowledge of our local heroes in the past. Heroes like Arwah Mokhtar Dahari, late R. Arumugam, Azizol Abu Haniffah, P. Ravindran, Khairul Azman Ibrahim, Matlan Marjan, etc.... they were great players, indeed and slightly older generations (don't want to make myself feel old) like me for example, we had the privilege and opportunity to witness by our eyes on their greatness. I myself watched arwah Mokhtar play in TV in the late 80s before he retired.... So of course I was and still am a fan of him. But is it fair to blame the younger generations of not knowing him.

Then... try to asklah.. how many malaysians nowadays can name the first 11 of our beloved national team? Who is the current national captain? If they don't know.. don't blame them.. when you see our tigers tamed 5-0s by the likes of China.... We local fans have lost faith in the current crop... but I believe we will still follow and find out what's happening.. Because of the sake or fun of watching football..

Well.. there are many reasons that lead to this.. where local fans in Malaysia are now more into foreign football or EPL teams. Things such as:

1) The deteriorating level of our national team
2) The existence of astro and live EPL matches for every weekend
3) Live matches of la liga and serie A teams
4) Limited resources of our previous legends

leads to the reason why not many local fans follow the local scene...

Questioning someone is a real football fan or not is not fair. But if you question someone if he is a true Chelsea fan or not.. that is less debatable if he supports Chelsea day one and then Manchester City day two.. Then it is not of a matter of you being questioned as a true fan or not, but more to if you are a 'glory hunter' or not.

Take it easy again my friend and learn to accept people's opinion before people listen to you. If you don't want people to agree or listen to you, then it might be better to talk to the wall then.. Cheers mate.

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post Feb 9 2008, 10:01 PM

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everyone can say what they want but but some people have more right than others . full stop .

Semi -pro ( UK you bullshieters not local ! ) is 10 x better than most of the glamour types here.

Doesn't matter , I am now talking to UK fans and I told them all about the pondan ways of the locals , they are coming to get you - beware.

i know what you will say , come on . Ha fans my ass.

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