Guys, some questions about Black Morass. Since it's a straight DPS fight, I'm wondering about a few things :

- Has anyone gone in with one caster (mage/lock) and 2 melee DPS? Excluding the tank and healer. How was the fight?

- How does a Destro Lock compare to an Affliction spec Lock compare to one another for adds and Rift Lords?

- As tanks will have taunting problems with the bosses, how would the gameplay be for mages and locks who have both high crits and white damage? Temperous being the main problem.

- For the casters, in general, should they avoid talents that give them more crit? Since more crit will make the tank's job a lot harder to hold aggro.

- Is there such a thing as too much crit talent/gear? This is for casters.

- Can Locks solo the adds well? Reason being is that the mage may have to do deep drinking between adds.

- i did BM with 2 rogues (me and another one) over 10+ times because ive gotten everything i needed and only went there for rep (exalted now anyways) so i dont mind an extra rogue, so long he can keep up and not left in the dust by my dps.

dps definately is a lot faster and better. and didnt have a problem.

- destro may work better for adds because of burst dps able to quickly take down fragile whelps/single target small dragons, while afflict may work better on the lords because longer health = dots gets to be ultilized on their duration.

that said, either spec works fine on either ways so long the lock doesnt suck.

- tanks dont have taunting problems on temporous. so long the mage/lock dont do retarded stuff like AP+trinket+cooldowns before the tank even lay over 3-4 sunders, aggro is not a problem. and if anything, both mage, lock, rogue have aggro wipes every 5mins now equally.

for temporous, you will need a dispeler, or purger, or warlock felpup, but for best effect, get a mage, to spellsteal and maintain detect magic on temp.

- as mentioned above, crit is NOT an issue to aggro, its the tank, or the caster being stupid blasting 100% before the tank can even lay over 3-4 sunders. beyond 3-4 sunders, aggro is usually solid unless you get back2back crits, which is unlikely to happen and even if it does, you can always aggro wipe. an alternative to look for is have a hunter, to misdirect aggro boost ur tank, problem solve. if ur tank still lose aggro, tell him to /delete and look into another class.

- again, as mentioned above, its absurd, but to answer ur question, no such thing as too much crit.

- yes, locks of ANY spec can solo adds very well, the same goes for mages. and no, mages dont need to do any deep drinking. if the said mage of equal skill plays a lock instead, he will still have to deep drink/spam life tapping (which in turn hurts ur healers), no difference. just player skill being poor or good.

- Has anyone gone in with one caster (mage/lock) and 2 melee DPS? Excluding the tank and healer. How was the fight?

yea. caster on adds, cat druid n a rogue.
pretty ez with prayer mending,cum both of them have high dps n kno when to left out bandage n innervate. priest > PALLY !


- As tanks will have taunting problems with the bosses, how would the gameplay be for mages and locks who have both high crits and white damage? Temperous being the main problem.

1. that is tank problem. change a tank.
2. ktm threat meter.


- For the casters, in general, should they avoid talents that give them more crit? Since more crit will make the tank's job a lot harder to hold aggro.

unless 1 crit 10k pyro, again, taunt revenge shouldn have a problem if the caster aware their threat in ktm.


- Is there such a thing as too much crit talent/gear? This is for casters.

shadow priest go for all crit gear is funny since blzz neft em @ previous patch..

- Can Locks solo the adds well? Reason being is that the mage may have to do deep drinking between adds.

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fine lock can always solo adds well, dot n fear near npc. rarely need support from healer.
but the other day a frost mage impress me. warr aoe taunt, the mage aoe down adds n dmg on MINI boss atst. not boss fight


h.bm only up to 4th wave n we all run for our liferepair bill.. lol

This post has been edited by Gladys: Apr 5 2007, 12:19 PM

1. I went to BM with 2 rogues (I'm a hunter) and we did fine.

2. Don't know. Haven't played a lock before.

3. If people are pulling aggro, that means the tank is not doing his job well. Get a better tank. I usually go all out and don't have problem with aggro. But I'm a hunter hence I have FD. But still, I went to BM with a Pally tanking and we have no problem.

4. Erm, dunno. But since its a DPS fight more crit is good IMHO.

5. If a mage is in the group, he will usually handle the adds and they usually don't have mana issues. Have someone else in the group to help DPS the adds. As a hunter, I also handle the adds with no problem as long as the healer heals my pet so I have time to help DPS the boss too. If my pet dies, it made my job harder but not impossible.

Tips:

a. Try to save the beacons for the 13-17 portal elites. Drop the beacon on the elites.

b. Ignore the adds when u fight the first 2 bosses. You can clear them AFTER the boss is dead. Ignore Medivh when he's shouting for help. He's a sissy.

c. But for the second boss, it may take longer to down him so just drop a beacon near medivh if there are too many adds on him.

- Has anyone gone in with one caster (mage/lock) and 2 melee DPS? Excluding the tank and healer. How was the fight?
had a shaman and a rogue. the dps was high all the time. no problems for that run

- How does a Destro Lock compare to an Affliction spec Lock compare to one another for adds and Rift Lords?
its the same imo

- As tanks will have taunting problems with the bosses, how would the gameplay be for mages and locks who have both high crits and white damage? Temperous being the main problem.
Both of the classes can skill to reduce threat tell them to use it. Also, your tank shouldn't lose aggro .

- For the casters, in general, should they avoid talents that give them more crit? Since more crit will make the tank's job a lot harder to hold aggro.
crit doesn't do addictional hate to the mob

- Is there such a thing as too much crit talent/gear? This is for casters.
no. since their main job is to top damage meters?

- Can Locks solo the adds well? Reason being is that the mage may have to do deep drinking between adds.
yes, since they have SoC now and i think they can 2 shot those non elite mobs.

another tip, DO NOT USE UR BEACONS AT ALL.

save them for last boss, and use all 5 on last boss for shitz n giggles

my record of killing aeonus (last boss) is around 20seconds, 5 beacons and i have 3k AP buffed (2 shamans and 1 with unleashed rage)

everyone lol'ed.

(btw only applies forlast boss, cuz he have a bug that is sploitable)

I think they changed it liao lei last week we try he dispell all of them at once.

doesnt matter.. the last boss is the sissy one like shattereh hall..

hehe, yes you can do that too. I had 5 beacons on the last boss and shaman unleashed rage and the boss went poof in 15-20 seconds.

But that is when I'm grouping with the best of the best in my guild. If you're doing a PUG you might have trouble DPSing down the elites .

Anyways, the bosses can now despawn the dragons hence its not a good idea using beacons on the boss unless u pop more than 1 of course. But still, don't waste their DPS and use it on the elites.

nope still sploitable

thanx for the input guys. i actually like black morass, even though there are a lot of wipes. it seems to be the only lvl70 run that i can actually make money and the blues dropped a lot.

as usual, Q put something interesting up. The felhunter. That was one thing that we should have put on Temporus.

we held onto the beacons even past the 2nd boss. However, because the mage was on add duty, he didn't spellsteal the haste from Temporus.

and because of the above and there was a resto druid healing, the tank was kiting temporus in a circle to wait for debuffs to wear off. resto druid does not have the dispel spells that a priest or pally has. think the tank probably had the full 10 stacks of debuffs on him. painful healing, even with my highest HT/HoTs.

one other thing we did try was everyone to go full out on temporus while one person put their beacon at the start and then later, at the end of the fight. only problem with this one is that the shield will go down so we'd have to be sure that it's not too far down that if we wipe at 3rd boss, we can still take him out. usually, it was still 1 mage on adds duty while the lock helped out on Temporus.

and the 10K pyro crit? yes it happened. lol! full destro lock. was funny to see to see the KTM meter jump up by 10K for him.

as for beacons on the last boss, how far did u put it away from him? we put one near him and he despawn it. then again, it was only 1, not 5.

as for being a better tank, it's not necessarily their fault. just the group composition. besides, how can they be better tanks if we don't help them out abit?

Perfect group setup for BM- 1 tank, 1 healer, 3 x pew pew

I don't think it makes that much of a difference having run it in so many different group setups getting people attuned to karazhan. What's important is that you don't get a group with slackers and at least 1 person who knows how to handle the adds.

2nd boss is no different from any other non tauntable boss in the game. If your dpser pew pews too much than he can tank . Just make sure the haste buff is dispelled or stolen by the mage. Have your tank keep thunderclap and shield block up and and everyone else just pew pew omg lazorz on the mob and you should have him down before the healing debuff gets too much. If your group is relatively inexperienced with controlling threat then KTM is your friend.

Too much crit for casters is never a problem, the problem is knowing when to hold back when you've done too much unexpected damage.

this guy have the best answer imo, what you need is more pew pew less QQ.

myremi: 10k threat is about 12-13k soulfire crit lol, sure or not? it could be just streak spells eg: immo conflag shadowburn.
and KTM takes bout 0.5-1sec intervals to update btw, if it updates in realtime, i think everyone that have ktm installed need a dual core at least with at least 1gb ram. not to mention the server load/connection load etc from synchronization data transfers in between.

hmm...come to think about it, how does a warrior tank a non-tauntable boss ingame?

as a feral druid tanker, i used to spam maul whenever it came up. lacerates didn't generate as much aggro but because of the low rage usage, i used lacerates to build up rage rather than spam maul all the time.

what's the button smashing sequence for a warrior then? prot warrior that is.

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Added on April 5, 2007, 2:01 pmit was funny when the lock stole aggro off temporus. on KTM, it was showing 5K threat generated by the tank and suddenly lock got aggro and KTM showed the lock with a whopping 11K threat. LOL!

in the end, last nite's encounter was just crazy because of the bad connections some folks here. there were times we were fighting with 3-4 ppl only. and surprisingly, no problem with streamyx for once.


This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 5 2007, 02:01 PM

they just aggro?

sequence/minor guide is on the other thread, about dealing with kargath in shattered halls

BTW Quazacolt, where did you get your Antec p180 case from? Just built a pc but i had to settle for a lian li in the end because i couldn't find the Antec in lowyat

To Myremi, i tend to front load my threat, Blood rage, HS/Shield Slam, revenge/sunder/devastate and button spammage based on global cooldown and heroic strike spam when possible. It really depends on the encounter at the end of the day on whether you want to mitigate damage or maximise threat.

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For non tauntable bosses, it's really important to just let the tank get a head start on the boss before commencing nuking. On Temporus it's still tank and spank. At least you don't have to worry about doing things like stance dancing or tank switching.

Temporus is unique in a way because you want to ignore the adds to burn him down asap and therefore you need to maximise threat but at the same time you want to slow his attacks down by applying thunderclap ad keep shield block up as much as possible to avoid the healing debuff.

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Apr 5 2007, 02:37 PM

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