Guys, some questions about Black Morass. Since it's a straight DPS fight, I'm wondering about a few things :

- Has anyone gone in with one caster (mage/lock) and 2 melee DPS? Excluding the tank and healer. How was the fight?

- How does a Destro Lock compare to an Affliction spec Lock compare to one another for adds and Rift Lords?

- As tanks will have taunting problems with the bosses, how would the gameplay be for mages and locks who have both high crits and white damage? Temperous being the main problem.

- For the casters, in general, should they avoid talents that give them more crit? Since more crit will make the tank's job a lot harder to hold aggro.

- Is there such a thing as too much crit talent/gear? This is for casters.

- Can Locks solo the adds well? Reason being is that the mage may have to do deep drinking between adds.

thanx for the input guys. i actually like black morass, even though there are a lot of wipes. it seems to be the only lvl70 run that i can actually make money and the blues dropped a lot.

as usual, Q put something interesting up. The felhunter. That was one thing that we should have put on Temporus.

we held onto the beacons even past the 2nd boss. However, because the mage was on add duty, he didn't spellsteal the haste from Temporus.

and because of the above and there was a resto druid healing, the tank was kiting temporus in a circle to wait for debuffs to wear off. resto druid does not have the dispel spells that a priest or pally has. think the tank probably had the full 10 stacks of debuffs on him. painful healing, even with my highest HT/HoTs.

one other thing we did try was everyone to go full out on temporus while one person put their beacon at the start and then later, at the end of the fight. only problem with this one is that the shield will go down so we'd have to be sure that it's not too far down that if we wipe at 3rd boss, we can still take him out. usually, it was still 1 mage on adds duty while the lock helped out on Temporus.

and the 10K pyro crit? yes it happened. lol! full destro lock. was funny to see to see the KTM meter jump up by 10K for him.

as for beacons on the last boss, how far did u put it away from him? we put one near him and he despawn it. then again, it was only 1, not 5.

as for being a better tank, it's not necessarily their fault. just the group composition. besides, how can they be better tanks if we don't help them out abit?

hmm...come to think about it, how does a warrior tank a non-tauntable boss ingame?

as a feral druid tanker, i used to spam maul whenever it came up. lacerates didn't generate as much aggro but because of the low rage usage, i used lacerates to build up rage rather than spam maul all the time.

what's the button smashing sequence for a warrior then? prot warrior that is.

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Added on April 5, 2007, 2:01 pmit was funny when the lock stole aggro off temporus. on KTM, it was showing 5K threat generated by the tank and suddenly lock got aggro and KTM showed the lock with a whopping 11K threat. LOL!

in the end, last nite's encounter was just crazy because of the bad connections some folks here. there were times we were fighting with 3-4 ppl only. and surprisingly, no problem with streamyx for once.


This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 5 2007, 02:01 PM

wrong thread?

EDIT : bleargh. didn't read properly. mebad.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 5 2007, 02:56 PM

@ gladys : LOL!

hmmm...i feel tension here.

relax guys. both of you are correct. let's see it at that before it gets worst.

else, i'm going to hand out water pistols . person who is more wet, is the one that pewpews the most.

the way you responded just demonstrated how "clean" your mind was.

kid: i swear u're encouraging him.

qua : u are incorigible. sigh. and still aggravating everyone and everything in sight. like i said before, glorified badass. ever thought of toning down the arrogance bit?

sets84 : i kinda gave up getting angry on these forums. although i did wrangle an apology from him once. or twice. ><

fair enough. i wasn't saying that you shouldn't post what you did. i was just sharing how i dealt with forums here.

in a way, i'm more about looking for info or tips that aren't around on the WoW forums or in any other sources. whether it was useful or not, i won't know until i try it out, since i'm not on any of the servers that u guys are around.

and yes, even if it's from people who aren't creditable although the creditability of the info is something i can't really check. i'm hoping that others will reply back to see what the answer would be like.

I'm of the belief that there is no righteous good guy in this world. As long as there is a different view to an opinion, it stands to reason that the original person may not be right or good. I'm pretty sure I ticked people off too.

I never claim that what you stated didn't have an ounce of truth in it. Most of the time, I'm not in a position to say otherwise, whether to you or anyone else.

Glorified badass? Yep, somehow it suits you, and even more after you posted that link. You enjoy being the badboy, don't you?

As for the arrogance bit, it still might be a good idea to tone it down. I can understand when reading something can make people shake their heads but being overconfident can lead to one making mistakes/saying something that you might regret later (big if I'm sure). Whether to you or sets84. Especially when the name-calling starts. Aiya.

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Anyway, back to Black Morass. Pug a hunter and a prot tank warrior yesterday. Hmm...the hunter seemed to spend more time healing his pet than actual DPS. And reading about heartfang's post, does a hunter's DPS come from his range weapon or from his pet? I was under the assumption that a hunter's DPS is mostly contributed by his weapon, rather than the pet and that it's the same for locks and mages.

Another thing, feign death. *shudder* Is it just me or do hunters like to do that to switch aggro to their pet? Because most of the time when they do that, the casters and healer gets aggro instead. Grrr... Not to mention not being able to drink.

Last few rifts. We noticed that the adds now suddenly change aggro from medievh to us, even when we're not taking them down. Not sure whether this is something new or not. They're running to Medievh and suddenly just turn around and start whacking us. Different compared to earlier rifts compared to rift 12.

Comments anyone?

kid, xiaonsin : sigh. u 2 ah. ok, one buy coach, another one buy popcorn. then we all sit together and watch.

or not concentrating. could be that too.

for hunter yes. but if all aggro is on the caster instead, gg. no time to drink even.

same here. somehow, we're still getting them. i wonder whether it's something to do with the beacon. if beacon expires and the adds are still up, then adds run back to us with aggro. aiyaya.

one thing that i did notice that after getting out of aggro, if i cast HoT on someone, i drink, he goes and kills some other adds, and then i stop drinking.

only happens when i'm standing next to him though. is that normal? bleargh.

heh, not always. in certain instances only. not all.

ok, your turn to entertain us. say something.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 9 2007, 02:19 PM

TBC is just harsh on players who are not able to play their class.

although these days, i seldom see rogues actually. i mostly meet other classes. not sure if that's a good sign or not.

i tend to tell rogues in the beginning of the instance that i'm not that great a healer. so they should be forewarned to bandange themselves.

cleared it and worked out why. not enough pew pew pew. 1 prot tank, 1 kitty druid, 1 destro lock, 1 fire/arcane mage.

in the end, we put down the beacons as follows :

-1st : clearing up adds during 2nd boss fight. mage did it when he thought that the adds was getting too overwhelming for him to clear.
-2nd - 5th : put it down on top of the Rift Lords for Wave 14-17. Helps to take down the adds + Rift Lord faster. our previous mistake was thinking that the adds were the problem. it was the Rift Lords and our pew pew pew.

shield took a beating while we all drank and ate food.

mage did mention that when he was with another group, they had so much DPS power that at most times, they were 4-manning it. when DPS is strong, he has to take down 3-4 adds.

tank also started using shield block more. but he did mention that when he was kiting the boss, the debuffs came more often since he couldn't block it. so in the end, he stood still and block when he saw the debuff about to be casted.

This post has been edited by myremi: Apr 10 2007, 08:39 AM

it's the DPS. hunters, sigh. when they're good, they're very very good. when not, it's hard for them to take suggestions.

it was also getting to the point that i was "screaming" at guildies to get out better DPS coz it's either they do that or i let them die. simple.

i cannot vouch on that deep breath thing. only started black morass recently. ><