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Guitars -The 7 String Sanctuary-, everything and anything about the 7!

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post Apr 5 2007, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 03:27 AM)
Hey there!

Rustreaver actually persuaded me to start this thread since a few of us are getting 7 stringers. . . This thread is open to all and we hope we can answer as many questions possible about the 7. . . feel free to ask us anything and we'll try our very best to give a good answer  tongue.gif

RustReaver. . . good news for you. . . you may wanan stop with the X2N and get the new DiMarzio D Activators. . . it's a passive pup made to emulate an active. . . you need to change the pots for your guitar tho. . . its 500 ohms. . .wtf? lolz
the EQ is sick. . . it has L-4 M-5 H-8 for a Neck and a mroe balanced 6-6-6.5 for bridge. . . if i were you i may instead put the neck pup for the bridge and vice versa. . . now i'm thinking of changing the D-Sonic to the Activator. . . decisions decisions. . .

my friend from US says that the Activator is very much like an EMG. . . all power and kinda toneless. . . very head on. . . check out the new Ibanez Xiphos Demo's to get a rough idea how it sounds. . . the Xiphos uses the Activator. . . pointy gutiars not my cup of tea tho. . .
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Yeah, now we finally got our own little sanctuary... thumbup.gif The idea was your's mate, I'm just here for the ride! biggrin.gif

Not sure about this D Activator though. Actually, I was GASsing for the X2N before I got my EMGs... maybe I'll try an X2N-7 for the bridge and the D Activator for the neck... the L-4 M-5 H-8 seems interesting IMO... biggrin.gif

But first things first- I gotta source the CASH! laugh.gif

QUOTE(valkyrie1232 @ Apr 5 2007, 07:42 AM)
Yeah I do like the 6 string PAF Pro for the neck but I'm not too sure on the 7 string models coz I've read a couple of reviews saying that the stock PAF7s on the K7 isn't really great. Or something like that.
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The PAF7 is supposed to be ok, just that it's very low output for heavy riffing I guess... If you get an EVO7 or other high output bridge pup, there may be a volume difference between neck and bridge. But since you pretty much only use the neck for leads, you can probably compensate on your GT-6. biggrin.gif

And K7 come with 9-52 standard I think.

For some reason, I find that I don't really have that much of a problem using 9-52s on the 1527 - previously for 6-strings (cheh-wah!), I found that 9-42 just didn't have enough string tension. Always had trouble with Valkyrie's TH-1 Stealth with 9-42s... hmm, maybe 9-52 is easier to play because of the 5-piece maple/wenge neck... (ehem!). tongue.gif

Anyway, anyone knows where I can get the definitive neck specifications for the 1527? The Malaysian Ibbie portal says it's an Ultra neck, the Jap portal says something else and Jemsite says it's Wizard7 Prestige. And if it's maple/wenge, does that mean the 2 dark stripes are not bubinga? rclxub.gif

I know I know, it's not really vital must-have information... but it's good to know. tongue.gif
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post Apr 5 2007, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:28 PM)
Well honestly since you're into high output pup's i guess yo could try the D-Act and X2N combo. . . what i can suggest is if you want a fatter tone why not use a D-Act (Bridge) pup for you Neck and then X2N for the Bridge. . . or for ultimate hardcoreness, 2 X2N. .  shocking.gif


Actually, I was already thinking of 2 X2N-7s... whistling.gif

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:28 PM)
the tension is slightly increased thanks to the extra B string. . . the feel of the strings are still the same but there is added weight and tension to the strings as a whole . . . bending is slightly harder now if you notice compared to a 6. . . when i go back to my 6 i find bending and all so much more easier. . .


Extra tension due to the B-string? No wonder... I'm not complaining though! smile.gif

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:28 PM)
from what i gathered, our necks are Maple/Wenge instead of Bubinga. . . the 1527 has gone through slight changes so yea its wenge now. . .
Maple/wenge and not bubinga? Are the dark stripes the wenge then?

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:28 PM)
Keep on playing with your 7 and im very sure that you'll notice improvements in your playing  biggrin.gif
Yes, I hope so... right now, the only new thing I can do is play damn low, muddy-sounding runs... biggrin.gif

Ok, EQ777, since you've had a 7-string the longest amongst the 3 of us jokers here, what's a cool/brutal 7-string technique that you've learned so far?

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:28 PM)
i recommend these songs to start up with a 7 stringer
Dream Theater- As I Am,This Dying Soul (heavy riffage and cool solo's)
Korn-(ny of their songs as they are simple and has no solos)

if you damn crazy hardcore pro thenplay Rusty Cooley laugh.gif
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Aiyah... Rusty Cooley no need to bother lah... DT also cannot play! and Korn, maybe Valkyrie can lah with his K7, I ain't got the tuning for it... tongue.gif


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post Apr 5 2007, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 5 2007, 08:15 PM)
there is / was a 7-string gio.
but why pay for that when i've seen used RG7321 for RM1100+ also?
of cos the 7321 is fixed bridge, which imo is more preferable for 7-strings.
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Actually yeah... I think teh 7-string gio has been discontinued. A 2nd-hand RG732x would be a better deal, it's MIK I think.



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post Apr 5 2007, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 5 2007, 08:36 PM)
well honestly the 7 string doesnt make things harder but instead makes playing far easier. . .
a thing i noticed is scale runs have less movement. . . for example playing a G Aeolian mode with a 6 string requires me to start from the 3rd fret of the 6th to the 15th th fret of the 1st. . . with the 7 i just start at the 8th fret of the 7th string and move to the 15th of the 1st. . . this gives economy in doing long scalular runs. . .

anoter fun thing is you can have more octaves when playin appregios. . . try out those cool extended appregios from the 7 - 1st string. . . sounds bloody cool. . .
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Yeah, you're right about the scale runs and more economy... although I'm still getting used to the pattern... If I start from the low B, I usually get confused at the A and D strings - my D aeolian will suddenly become like E aeolian for a while until I hit the G string and get my bearings right again... rclxub.gif

Haven't gotten around to learning 7-string arpeggios... though I'm guessing it'll be pretty fun to be able to hit like 3 octaves in one position! laugh.gif

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post Apr 6 2007, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 6 2007, 02:10 AM)
i think that is possible. . . but the strings will either be too flabby or too stiff and breaks at the tension dependin on how you tune it. . . i wanted the High A instead of the Low B and the string broke when i strung it. . . wasted my $$$ =.=
ZOMG! gapnap pro. . . wonder what happens when he really has a 7. . . 10 finger appregio taps with 12 fret stretches!!!

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Hehe, if he had a 7 he'll probably do 12 finger arpeggio taps across 8 strings... laugh.gif whistling.gif notworthy.gif

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post Apr 6 2007, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(gapnap @ Apr 6 2007, 11:15 AM)
.........and you know what i heard about lowyat being ass kissers ..  doh.gif

valkyrie , EQ77 , rustreaver

you the best bro !   notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(gapnap @ Mar 7 2007, 07:56 PM )
he.he..i smell ass-kissing or sarcasm   thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Today, 02:10 AM )
i think that is possible. . . but the strings will either be too flabby or too stiff and breaks at the tension dependin on how you tune it. . . i wanted the High A instead of the Low B and the string broke when i strung it. . . wasted my $$$ =.=


Any idea how they manage to do it for 8-string guitars... hehe, the Conklin Sidewinder comes to mind... whistling.gif

And what about the RG2228? Do you think it's possible to string it with the low B and high A? ...not that I'm interested in going down the 8-fold path... yet... tongue.gif whistling.gif laugh.gif

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Just brought my 7 to the jam studio yesterday- ran it through a GT-8 through the FX Return of a Laney Hardcore Max halfstack. Damn, never knew what I was missing... those 5 extra low notes really make a difference!

When me and the bassist were galloping on the low D (he's using a 5-string bass too) - phew, it felt awesome... we probably gave all the cats and dogs in the neighbourhood a bloody headache! laugh.gif

The v77/88 pups were a bit noisy though, got quite a bit of feedback-hum-thingy when I don't play- argh! never had that problem with my EMGs... sad.gif

the feedback-hum-thingy sounded quite low...probably need to do a notch in one of the lower frequencies... hmm.gif

anyway, Equilibrium777, you finally admit to playing Rusty Cooley stuff huh? tongue.gif notworthy.gif
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post Apr 9 2007, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Apr 9 2007, 01:24 AM)
I vote the RG7 CST as the best 7 stringer Ibz has ever made... (excluding the j customs)
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Didn't the RG7CST cost more than the J-Customs? And according to Jemsite there were like only 24 or so RG7CSTs made... talk about exclusive! shocking.gif

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 8 2007, 10:43 PM)
cheh i play the Riffs lar. . . not the bloody steroid ridden solo's wei. . . if i can play rusty i would be touring the world lmao. . .
Haha... you'd be better than Rusty coz he himself doesn't tour the world! laugh.gif


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post Apr 9 2007, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 9 2007, 10:36 AM)

well i was talking about the stock standard models. . . can't afford them J Customs and all . . . lmao. . . and the JEMUV777 ain't all that great. . . tried it and kinda hated it laugh.gif

well i don't know much about the APEX tho. . . but if it's indo then stick with the K7

trix i strongly suggest you get the normal 1527 and mod your 7 if you were to get a 7 cause the UV777 is really overpriced and the feel and tone isn't really what great. . .
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The APEX2 (string-through) is probably Indon but the APEX1 (with floating trem+Ubar) is most likely MIJ since it's the "high-end" version of the APEX. Overall, it actually looks like a comparable guitar to the K7... plus the horizontal 69 inlay and the rest of the inlay looks quite nice IMO... smile.gif

Anyway, I'm surprised that you don't like the UV777... I though playability wise it should be at least slightly better than the 1527? The neck profile is a bit flatter than the 1527 IIRC... it's way over-priced, to be sure, but it looks very very classy- the 1527 on the hand is very much understated. biggrin.gif

But if I could afford a UV777 (not in the near future!), I think I'd rather go for a Dellinger 7-string... the devil's tail headstock is just suh-weet... whistling.gif

Have you seen the J-custom 7-string with the vine of life inlay? One killer looking guitar... cost more than double the 1527 though! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 10 2007, 10:54 AM)
when you getting the K7 btw? been awhile d right?
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Hmmm... it's probably already at KLIA waiting for customs clearance. Unless Valkyrie takes emergency leave, guess he'll have to wait until Saturday.

That's about 80 hours or so from now... hehe.. laugh.gif tongue.gif

Anyway, metalzone, that's the RG8427F J-custom right? Damn, you should check out the black onyx paint job on the Ibanez Japan website... suh-weet.... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Beatmasta @ Apr 10 2007, 02:54 PM)
whut val is getting the k7 soon already???
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Gee, Valkyrie's gonna keeeeeel me for telling... turns out only three dudes knew he was getting the K7 until I posted it in the Sanctuary... whoops, my bad. icon_rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 10 2007, 03:16 PM)
yay! lolz soon we shall take over the world!!! wakakak xD
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"Gee, Head, what'd you wanna do tonight?"
"The same thing we do every night, Munky — Try to take over the world!"
Munky and the Head... ekekekekke laugh.gif

err... ok, that may have been before your time... tongue.gif

QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 10 2007, 03:16 PM)
hmm we should all meet up lmao. . . so i can try out the 7620 and the K7. . . havent tried the blue one. . . it seems that there are 3 versions of the K. . . not sure. . . so wanna see if got diff. . .

btw i saw this book called the scales and chords for 7 string. . . was at a music store at uptown. . . forgotten the writer tho. . lolz. . somebody get it then we photostat and share! lolz!
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Woi! LYN got strict policy for respecting people's intellectual property rights ok! tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 10 2007, 06:13 PM)
PINKY AND THE BRAIN!!!!!! ROXXORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anywya lolz k k we dont photostat. . we share the book together. . . my bad  tongue.gif
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No one said cannot photostat, just don't publicise it!!! tongue.gif whistling.gif



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QUOTE(valkyrie1232 @ Apr 11 2007, 07:40 AM)
Mesa Dual Recto with 7s......or KRANK?  cool2.gif
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Wei... Krankenstein + 7-string... you wanna be Jeff Loomis issit? shocking.gif

Aiyo, me and Valkyrie read one of the old Merchant of Menace columns... Jeff Loomis do 3 (or 4) string arpeggios on the low strings... brutal... rclxub.gif

Guess your playing's gotta be ub3r-1337-clean to shred on the low strings like that... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Apr 11 2007, 06:20 PM)
Sigh.... so many guitars to get before getting a 7-string....

Next year is the year of either the Dean Razorback (most likely) or a Gibson LP Standard (Don't think I can raise that amount in time though).

THEN only will consider either another LP (Yes, I'm a sucker for LPs tongue.gif).... maybe one with a floyd, a Fender Strat OR a Les Paul 7 String......
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Get a 7-string first la... and join the Rule of 7! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Apr 11 2007, 07:26 PM)
Hahahaha... ain't that simple to snap me out of my Les Paul craze...... the only thing that did..... The Dimebag Razorback.
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How bout the Dean Xenocide? Or the Schecther Hellraiser?

Sleek but brutal 7-strings... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(valkyrie1232 @ Apr 11 2007, 09:45 PM)
*spins Cornetto cone in a spiral motion*
You will buy a seven string....you will buy a seven string...
Nah... just let him try an RG1527 and he'll straight-away buy a discontinued signature series 7-string off Ishibashi within 2-3 days.

At least that happened to a friend o' mine... whistling.gif

QUOTE(valkyrie1232 @ Apr 11 2007, 09:45 PM)
Any Caparison Horus fans here?  wink.gif
I know this is a 7 String Sanctuary but hell..I just wanna whore over the Horus for a while! Who knows, maybe someday they'll make a 7 string Horus (like they did with the Dellinger ONLY, those B******s!
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Dellinger 7-string ROXXORS ok!!! tongue.gif


QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 12 2007, 01:50 AM)
i've seen a RG7321 sell for RM1100, used of cos.

but like they say, why 7 when 6 also cannot play properly tongue.gif

only one person i know who can play it real well.
jack from icom.
former sputum, sessioned for tempered mental...and has probably won more best guitarist prizes than i know tongue.gif
he uses an old ibanez UV77 with that cool swirl finish.
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Jack from Naked Breed? I've seen him like once or twice, and his playing was phenomenal...

But anyway, thanks for your encouraging thoughts.




EQ: Just wondering about the RG1527 case. Do you take off your guitar strap before putting the guitar into the case? It's quite a tight fit but I'm damn lazy to have to pasang/de-pasang my strap everytime I take the guitar out... Damn J-craft buggers shoulda made the cut-outs just a wee bit larger around the top horn and side... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 12 2007, 12:31 PM)
yea tahts the one trivium uses right?

get the Dean Xenocide hahah xD

but the razorback looks damn cool lolz
supremely overpriced for a korea guitar. . . i rather you get the RG lolz. . .

and im sure the 7 can satisfy more than your "low end" crunch. .  it does alot more =D
take it off
the case is a perfect fit for your guitar. . . i kno its damn irritating but the case is really good and it protects to the max. . . it even absorbs the top end of the strings so it lasts slightly longer. . . i usually wrap the strap and dump it at the small open compartment
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Xenocide ROXXORS FTW!!!

And sad to hear about the strap... bloody annoying to put it on and take off everytime I take the guitar out...

And you're right about the case... I think the humidity is probably like zilch... but to be safe, I stuck a big packet of silica gel in the manual compartment. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Equilibrium777 @ Apr 12 2007, 09:16 PM)
totally agree with you. . . but it seems the S sounds better harmonically and heaviness wise. . . but overpriced just cause its "Prestige" when the fact its from Korea =.=. . .
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I don't think the s7320 is a Prestige... the only current Ibanez 7-string Prestige is the RG1527 according to the Ibanez website... smile.gif

QUOTE(Beatmasta @ Apr 13 2007, 09:52 AM)
both the rg7620 and rg7321 using default pickups, the rg1527 i change it to a dimarzio Evolution 7 pickups. still i love to own a sig. korn guitar one day heh..kinda pricey that one.
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Yeah! Now there are 3 known 1527s lurking in the Sanctuary... 1527 ROXXORS for the 7! thumbup.gif wei... I read that Chris Broderick uses the 1527... shocking.gif

...you're using Evo7s in bridge and neck? how's it sound like? biggrin.gif

and valkyrie... the neck abalone(?) binding on your K7 is damn classy... Klassy7 mou! laugh.gif

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QUOTE(u-djinn @ Apr 13 2007, 12:21 PM)
congrats valK7rie.
eh, the other day i spotted a UV7BK '97 going for around rm2.5k. list price is usd2k. haha..
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ha... not that painful... the UV7BK '97 is not one of the better universes. the current UV777BK pwns it by leaps and bounds... tongue.gif

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Calvin!!!!!

Thanks for gracing our maiden gig with your presence... siap bawa kaki lagi! notworthy.gif

Next time your Liquid Tension Experiment band play, you must must must call us Sanctuarites to come ok! rclxm9.gif


And beatmasta, good luck with your gig in the Land of the Hornbill! Up the 7 FTW! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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Erm... EQ, I know this strictly speaking isn't a 7-string question, but I was wondering about the pickup "buzzing" on the 1527... When I run my GT through a Hardcore Max halfstack in the jam studio, I get the buzz which is bloody annoying when I play "attack" or stop-and-go parts.

I've tried turning on the noise suppressor on the GT with the threshold set at like 50 or so, but it seems to act a bit strange. It seems to only work if I do the following:

1. volume pedal set to zero
2. raise volume pedal to "full" position while muting the strings with my hands
3. hit the chord/note etc.
4. quickly drop the volume pedal back to zero and raise it back to "full" position while muting the strings with my hands (i.e repeat steps 1 and 2 quickly)

If after step 3, I just try to mute the strings with my hands, the bloody buzzing starts... unsure.gif

But I didn't seem to notice the buzzing last night though, while playing through the Smarvo amp. Could it be a problem because I'm running through a halfstack ya think?

I know you're running your GT through an AVT combo right? You got face something similar?

And no one better tell me to back off on my gain! It ain't happening, no way! Grrr... vmad.gif hehe... whistling.gif

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