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kayclum
post Aug 19 2017, 01:20 PM

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I have tried to change my fully oil to 10 40 semi oil and i check it after 8 days of usage.
It show normal mean no more oil leaking.
Any thing can i do to maintain it ?
Or any consequences if i continue use semi oil?
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angel of deauth
post Aug 20 2017, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(kayclum @ Aug 19 2017, 01:20 PM)
I have tried to change my fully oil to 10 40 semi oil and i check it after 8 days of usage.
It show normal mean no more oil leaking.
Any thing can i do to maintain it ?
Or any consequences if i continue use semi oil?
Thanks gang
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What was your oil grade before this?

If it works, then just continue to monitor.

Shouldn't be any consequences of switching. Just maintain your oil change schedule regularly.
angel of deauth
post Aug 20 2017, 03:39 PM

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Just a quick update, project LED is not going well. Better than HID, but not up to the mark.

Let me compile some photos, will post up my findings.
kayclum
post Aug 20 2017, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 20 2017, 03:38 PM)
What was your oil grade before this?

If it works, then just continue to monitor.

Shouldn't be any consequences of switching. Just maintain your oil change schedule regularly.
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5w30 bro.
Is it necessary overhaul ?
But so far i dint see any leaking now
angel of deauth
post Aug 20 2017, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(kayclum @ Aug 20 2017, 04:53 PM)
5w30 bro.
Is it necessary overhaul ?
But so far i dint see any leaking now
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Hmm, maybe not necessary if there's no leaks. Just wonder if you drive it at high pressure (hard acceleration and high speeds), will it leak again.

Do keep checking lah.
rompers
post Aug 21 2017, 03:32 AM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 20 2017, 03:39 PM)
Just a quick update, project LED is not going well. Better than HID, but not up to the mark.

Let me compile some photos, will post up my findings.
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Do you mean to say that the LEDs are better in terms of "reduced glare to oncoming motorists" or?
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post Aug 21 2017, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 20 2017, 04:39 PM)
Just a quick update, project LED is not going well. Better than HID, but not up to the mark.

Let me compile some photos, will post up my findings.
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Bro, why u said LED better than HID? I can't see the clear cut for LED and the output of HID much better than LED, this is my experience....
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post Aug 21 2017, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(rompers @ Aug 21 2017, 03:32 AM)
Do you mean to say that the LEDs are better in terms of "reduced glare to oncoming motorists" or?
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Yes. Better in terms of glare and colour. but it doesn't use all of the reflector because of shadows at the 0 and 180 degree position of the bulbs, so light output is quite out of shape.

speaking of glare, it's actually pretty good. probably because the position of the LED chip is identical to the halogen filaments.

This post has been edited by angel of deauth: Aug 21 2017, 01:05 PM
angel of deauth
post Aug 21 2017, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(alextyw85 @ Aug 21 2017, 11:20 AM)
Bro, why u said LED better than HID? I can't see the clear cut for LED and the output of HID much better than LED, this is my experience....
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HID is much brighter, but way too bright for our halogen reflectors, so the beam pattern and the cutoff is mostly not there.

LED is not as bright, not as far, but like better versions of halogens. colour, speed and brightness is good, just the shape and the control is not very satisfactory.

between 2 headlamps, you can notice shadows and the lack of spread. like it's too focused.
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post Aug 21 2017, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 21 2017, 01:04 PM)
HID is much brighter, but way too bright for our halogen reflectors, so the beam pattern and the cutoff is mostly not there.

LED is not as bright, not as far, but like better versions of halogens. colour, speed and brightness is good, just the shape and the control is not very satisfactory.

between 2 headlamps, you can notice shadows and the lack of spread. like it's too focused.
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agree on that. HID is very bright but the cutoff is terrible. That is because the poorly made china HID. LED got bright ones too. But the light is not as far as halogen. Get retrofit projector directly la bro. haha. try google some on Morimoto Mini D2S. The cutoff is awesome.
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post Aug 21 2017, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 21 2017, 01:04 PM)
HID is much brighter, but way too bright for our halogen reflectors, so the beam pattern and the cutoff is mostly not there.

LED is not as bright, not as far, but like better versions of halogens. colour, speed and brightness is good, just the shape and the control is not very satisfactory.

between 2 headlamps, you can notice shadows and the lack of spread. like it's too focused.
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Between 2 headlamps means,

1) HID on one side vs LED on the other?
2) or HALOGEN vs LED?
csv
post Aug 22 2017, 10:00 AM

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Halo all sifus, just got myself a secondhand forte 2.0 sx 2013. Got some issues need advice on how to fix:
1) when driving got buzzing sounds from right side middle column (seat belt + airbag pillar)
2) when driving slowly or going thru bump, got krk krk sound from engine area,
3) right front fog light+DRL bracket tercabut ( can diy fix ah?)

Any ideas on the cost as well.
Thanks in advance.

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post Aug 22 2017, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(csv @ Aug 22 2017, 11:00 AM)
Halo all sifus, just got myself a secondhand forte 2.0 sx 2013. Got some issues need advice on how to fix:
1) when driving got buzzing sounds from right side middle column (seat belt + airbag pillar)
2) when driving slowly or going thru bump, got krk krk sound from engine area,
3) right front fog light+DRL bracket tercabut ( can diy fix ah?)

Any ideas on the cost as well.
Thanks in advance.
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How much you bought ur used forte?

1) I also having the same problem but the sound gone after few minutes of drive. The sound come out especially i park in basement after work. I asked my colleague to sit in my car and listen, he told me the sound coming from the seat belt that part. (I so hope is coming from door panel so I can screw tightly).
2) Krk Krk sound from engine bay? i don't think can hear any sound from engine when we sit in the car unless the sound is super loud, I bet you are talking about the dashboard sound which is the known and common issue.
3) I think can gua... this one not sure....

by the way, enjoy your ride...
rompers
post Aug 22 2017, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(csv @ Aug 22 2017, 10:00 AM)
Halo all sifus, just got myself a secondhand forte 2.0 sx 2013. Got some issues need advice on how to fix:
1) when driving got buzzing sounds from right side middle column (seat belt + airbag pillar)
2) when driving slowly or going thru bump, got krk krk sound from engine area,
3) right front fog light+DRL bracket tercabut ( can diy fix ah?)

Any ideas on the cost as well.
Thanks in advance.
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1) This issue seems to be pretty common/normal with our Fortes, mainly due to temperature (e.g. weather) fluctuations causing the gaps between panels to widen or contract. If it is an absolute bother, you can try auto-foaming those areas of concern (but I wouldn't recommend it if it involves areas where the Seat Belts/Air-Bags are, as you wouldn't want anything to affect the safety aspects of the vehicle).

2) Sounds like worn Absorber mountings to me, or perhaps worn/dried out Stabilizer Bar Bushes, or both.

3) Perhaps detailed photos of the damaged area would allow us here to provide a better assessment?
angel of deauth
post Aug 22 2017, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(rompers @ Aug 21 2017, 07:00 PM)
Between 2 headlamps means,

1) HID on one side vs LED on the other?
2) or HALOGEN vs LED?
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Oh, I meant between left and right
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post Aug 24 2017, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(angel of deauth @ Aug 22 2017, 06:18 PM)
Oh, I meant between left and right
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So would you say, based on your own experience:

HALOGEN
Advantages:
1) No glare on oncoming road users.
2) Lower cost-per-bulb (for generic brands; could also be a disadvantage considering the short life-span).
3) Almost instantaneous optimum operating range.

Disadvantages:
1) Short life-span.
2) Higher operating temperature.
3) Reduced light intensity/light-throw/distance (for generic brands).


HID
Advantages:
1) Increased life-span.
2) Lower operating temperature.
3) Increased light intensity/light-throw/distance (when properly installed).
4) Aesthetics (subjective towards individual users).

Disadvantages:
1) Tendency to cause glare upon oncoming traffic (especially if retrofitted incorrectly).
2) High initial cost (also requires some modification towards existing system).
3) Higher cost-per-bulb (could also be an advantage taking the increased life-span into consideration).
4) Non JPJ compliant (for retrofits).
5) An increase in time required to achieve the optimum operating range.


LED
Advantage:
1) Increased life-span.
2) Lower operating temperature and low energy requirement.
3) Instantaneous optimum operating range.
4) Cost-effective (subjective to brand and model of system).
5) Reduced glare upon oncoming traffic (comparable to Halogens?).

Disadvantage:
1) Reduced light intensity/light-throw/distance (comparable or less effective against Halogens?).
2) Difficulty in securing a reliable/quality product from current market-place (where branded models are extremely expensive).

Would you agree with my summary above?
Do you have any other salient points to add onto the list?
Would you be able to provide your feedback onto the listed-points which ends with a question mark?

Thanks.
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post Aug 24 2017, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(csv @ Aug 22 2017, 10:00 AM)
Halo all sifus, just got myself a secondhand forte 2.0 sx 2013. Got some issues need advice on how to fix:
1) when driving got buzzing sounds from right side middle column (seat belt + airbag pillar)
2) when driving slowly or going thru bump, got krk krk sound from engine area,
3) right front fog light+DRL bracket tercabut ( can diy fix ah?)

Any ideas on the cost as well.
Thanks in advance.
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Welcome on board.

Would suggest you to join the Forte Owner FB group and repost the problems with photo/video. A lot of sifus there can response promptly with experience.

1) Can't imagine the sounds. Or no sounds for my car.

2) Is it engine area or the undercarriage or suspension part?
Normally is due to one OR combinations of the below
- stabilizer link
- stabilizer bar bush
- lower arm bush
- Absorber or bush or mounting
The workshop can check and know how to fix this.

3) Not sure.

Since your car is 2013, still within 5 years warranty period, u might check whether is the warranty still valid for your 2nd hand car?

angel of deauth
post Aug 24 2017, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(rompers @ Aug 24 2017, 06:41 AM)
So would you say, based on your own experience:

In context of Forte's reflector headlamp design;

HALOGEN
Advantages:
1) No glare on oncoming road users. glare happens, but the colour and intensity is not as intense to the eye
2) Lower cost-per-bulb (for generic brands; could also be a disadvantage considering the short life-span).
3) Almost instantaneous optimum operating range.

Disadvantages:
1) Short life-span.Long life bulbs exist, but performance is comparable to stock if not worse. Hi performance bulbs lasts even shorter
2) Higher operating temperature.
3) Reduced light intensity/light-throw/distance (for generic brands).
HID
Advantages:
1) Increased life-span.
2) Lower operating temperature.
3) Increased light intensity/light-throw/distance (when properly installed).
4) Aesthetics (subjective towards individual users).

Disadvantages:
1) Tendency to cause glare upon oncoming traffic (especially if retrofitted incorrectly). Overwhelms normal halogen reflector design.
2) High initial cost (also requires some modification towards existing system).
3) Higher cost-per-bulb (could also be an advantage taking the increased life-span into consideration).
4) Non JPJ compliant (for retrofits).
5) An increase in time required to achieve the optimum operating range.
6) Complex installation. Requires ballast mounting, drilling of dust cap in retrofits
7) Colour shift during warmup and over time.
8) Inconsistent light colour from bulb to bulb
9) if tied to high beams, repeated flashing kills it faster

LED
Advantage:
1) Increased life-span.
2) Lower operating temperature and lower energy requirement.
3) Instantaneous optimum operating range.
4) Cost-effective (subjective to brand and model of system).
5) Lower, more acceptable glare to oncoming traffic. Especially if position of LED chip matches position of stock filament.
6) Consistent colour output.
7) Aesthetics.


Disadvantage:
1) Reduced light intensity/light-throw/distance (comparable or less effective against Halogen)
2) Difficulty in securing a reliable/quality product from current market-place (where branded models are extremely expensive).
3) Similar complexity to HID setup. Some requires external heatsinks (Either belt or fan), driver (similar to ballast), hole cutting.
4) High heat coming from rear of bulb.
5) Installation usually takes up space behind bulb. Consider that the Forte has a battery 1 inch behind left headlamp and Washer filler tube immediately behind right headlamp.



Would you agree with my summary above?
Do you have any other salient points to add onto the list?
Would you be able to provide your feedback onto the listed-points which ends with a question mark?

Thanks.
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post Aug 25 2017, 12:56 AM

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LED bulb tested. Chinese brand, claimed to be LUMILED chip. Build quality is good, metal with steel braid heatsink at the back. These get pretty hot.

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LED bulb driver, attached to bulb and powered by H7 plug

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LED colour output 6000K
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LED colour output 4300K
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The bulbs light up instantly and suits the "Auto" headlamp function perfectly.

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angel of deauth
post Aug 25 2017, 01:10 AM

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LED light performance.

Colour is pretty clean and accurate to what 4300K and 6000K should be to the human eye. Camera doesn't capture this well. At least, not from my phone.

Beam pattern is not as tidy as stock, with very spotty and focused hotspots in the middle. You can still see a little bit of the cutoff but it's pretty muddy.

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Over distance, the line between bright and dark (the cutoff separation) gets fuzzy. The lights does not spread evenly on the road (could be the Forte's headlamp design, could be LED's spotlight nature). This gives the light a very narrow beam and some shadows in between the headlights.

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Changing to 4300K bulbs exhibit the same characteristics.

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