Does anyone know what happens if you use normal diesel for euro 5 diesel vehicle? If I am not mistaken few years back, BMW modified the engine slightly so that the cars can accept our low grade fuel. I am interested in the sorento hs, but cannot see how to use it in east coast Malaysia. Also do owners of Euro 5 diesel have anxiety when finding petrol stations to top up? Or there are abundance of euro 5 in your location.

Hi there

I have several modern diesel vehicles

There is no big deal if u pump euro 2m diesel for it , just that in the long run, it hurts the engine

Euro 5 stations are aplenty in my area , BHP Shell Petron Petronas all within few mins reach

The only times I need to pump euro 2m is when outstation to ulu place for business or vacay

Then no choice, but to pump low quality diesel

Most diesel models brought in through official distributor here have been tuned to adapt low quality diesel, therefore it is not a big issue if u can't find any euro 5 station.

Even my reconditioned UK spec diesel car has no problem refueling euro 2m

Not good for injectors , EGR get clogged fast , catalyzer also fast full and mine with DPF is death sentence , once a while is ok but long term will hancur engine

I normally use Euro5 in my Ranger but it's not always available. I don't notice any difference driving on Euro2 but I guess it's not good for the engine or environment.

If a car only takes Euro5, I wouldn't buy it. You can't be sure that you can get it in Malaysia and you don't want to run out of fuel in a diesel.

http://www.thesundaily.my/node/393170

Thanks all for the feedback

Or worst come to worst, buy a few extra plastic tank and refilled it in KV before balik kampung and so on.

So at least don't need to worry can't find Euro 5m diesel.

If it comes to this, then using Euro5 is a chore. I don't mind finding a petrol station 10 mins away. The nearest is 52 mins one way. So does not make sense.

IF you want to drive a diesel car that preferable euro 5 and insist on using euro5 then I believe by that time you already accepted the fact that euro 5 is not widely available outside certain regions.

Then, such chores are expected and shall be tolerated without any issues haha.

Only mazda diesel here have strong preference to euro 5 and the SC will mention it to you. Other brands all made some adjustment to accept euro 2 without too much issue.

Since you are using sorento, it would do fine with euro 2. I ran santa fe same engine for euro 2 for initial 60k km, only after that then switched to euro 5.

But euro 5 will do well on all non commercial vehicles here nonetheless.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 24 2017, 01:50 PM

Because Mazda no modification at all , no retuning, no removal of diesel particulate filter , is identical to an Europe export car

That's why must use euro 5.

The only modification they did was just to remove the DPF filter. No difference otherwise from the engine for BMW.

Which resulted in their cars generating more wheel horsepower than advertised

Nopes, lesser due to the longitudinal engine layout. For example, on paper it is rated 184hp for the N47 diesel engine. On a zero load dynojet dyno, it pulls around 170-173ps only. For the B47 engine, on paper it is rated at 190hp and on the same dyno, it gets around 176ps-177ps.

Ah , apparently the quoted is on crank. 173 back calculated apparently is more than 184 on crank

Can't back calculate like that as well, note that this is on a zero load dynojet. On Dynodynamics, the figure is much lower.

So this article posted previouly does not happen then?

OK... if I remember correctly, the fuss BMW made back then was with regards to Malaysia's half-arsed hot-hot chicken shit B10 biodiesel fuel. BMW claimed B10 biodiesel will fuck up BMW diesel engines.

Not the regular diesel fuel.

In my limited knowledge, the key diff between older diesel engines and Euro 5 engines is the cat converter. Euro 5 car converters are required to remove more crap in order to comply with the stricter emission standard of Euro 5, so it helps to use cleaner diesels to begin with. Right?

Therefore... it follows reasoning that using the old shit diesel in a Euro 5 car will just foul up the Euro 5 cat converter sooner. That said, there are driving techniques that you can use to 'clear up' dirty cat converters (drive until engine up to temp, then WOT to 'clear the exhaust' or some shit like that).

And even then, everybody knows cat converters will all eventually die anyway regardless. Some people even remove them outright in their quest for more power.

This post has been edited by ZZR-Pilot: Jul 24 2017, 04:21 PM

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Despite the lower fuel cost and higher performance of diesel-engined cars, owners of such vehicles are advised to enjoy these advantages only in Singapore and not across the Causeway because of the big difference in diesel fuel quality.

New diesel-engined passenger models sold in Singapore are Euro 5-compliant and the ultra-low sulphur diesel sold at the pumps here contains only 50 ppm (parts per million) of sulphur. This specification is compliant for use in Euro 5 diesel engines.

On the other hand, diesel fuel sold in Malaysia is Euro 2 compliant, with 500 ppm. Euro 4 standards with 50 ppm are expected to be implemented in 2015.

"It is not recommended for the new Kia Sorento Diesel to use Malaysian diesel as it is of a much lower grade," says Chin Kee Min, senior manager of authorised Kia distributor Cycle & Carriage Kia. "If lower grade diesel is used, it may cause engine clogging and misfiring issues, and perhaps other related problems as well."

A workshop manager who did not want to be named said that if the wrong diesel specification - such as one with high-sulphur content - is used "persistently", it could risk clogging the diesel particulate filter and may also cause engine damage.

"If there is a need to fill the tank, do not overfill but have enough to get across to Singapore and then refuel with better quality diesel in Singapore," he said.

He explained that using lower quality diesel may result in some "light smoke from the exhaust" as a result of the high sulphur content.

"It is also advisable to run the vehicle with the better quality diesel at expressway speeds for at least 20 minutes so the diesel particulate filter can regenerate itself. When in doubt, take the vehicle back to the dealer for a proper check," he added.

As for loading a jerry can with diesel from Singapore and carrying it with you for trips up north, the workshop manager does not recommend it.

He explains: "For safety reasons, this is not advisable."

Then again, the superb fuel efficiency of a diesel-engined car may not require most owners to fill up in Malaysia at all.

A Wearnes Automotive spokesman says that with a full tank of diesel, the Jaguar XF 2.2D will be able to travel "over 1,000 km".

"An owner is likely to be able to make a short trip to Kuala Lumpur and back with no difficulty," he said. "However, if absolutely necessary, customers are advised to top up only sufficient diesel to travel back to Singapore and not to fill up a full tank."

https://www.onemotoring.com.sg/content/onem...s_Causeway.html

Catalytic converter kong is not really much of an issue, won't even show check engine light or whatever error message on car screen. The main concern is the diesel particulate filter and also most of our driving is low speed city crawl, euro 2 produces lots of this particulate. Unless we have mandatory exhaust test like developed countries, most don't even know the catalytic converter is already dead.

DPF clear the crap in it by "burning" it off inside the build in chamber, and the system uses diesel. This is called regeneration. The process utilises the exhaust heat to light off the diesel. If we don't have extended fast driving rpm above 1500 and lot's of traffic crawl, the exhaust temperature in the DPF chamber isn't high enough to burn off the crap in it. Some cars with more advanced ECU won't let you shut down the car and let the engine run till this regeneration process is completed.

But most don't have such advanced system control. If off engine while regeneration, the DPF will be soaked in "unburned" diesel and will back flow to your engine oil sump. And after sometime, the DPF don't need to be fully clogged, but there's a point of no return where unless someone did a very very long drive, the DPF just cannot fully regenerate. Anyway, after sometime also, the DPF will deteriorate anyway unless the car is purely long distance drive.

That's why, diesel cars with DPF usually have 2 indicator on their engine oil dip stick. One for regular oil change, the other upper limit is the max sump capacity inclusive of the "diesel backflow". After reaching the upper limit, like it or not, must change engine oil. Fuel dilution inside oil sump is very bad for lubrication and protection properties in the engine oil. A DPF set isn't cheap to replace...

So, to avoid all the hassle, almost all diesel engined vehicles in malaysia have no DPF installed.

Don't worry, got great news in the future, all direct injected petrol engines will need to install particulate filters and all motorists will suffer together, whether diesel or petrol

Great explanation.

But this bit... hmm... is it true, almost all diesel cars in Msia have no DPF?

Coz if that's really true, it really wouldn't matter which type of diesel owners of the new Sorento use.

Mazdas have DPF , not sure about other , best to assume that if it is launched after euro 5 was introduced , the DPF filter remains installed , there's no need to remove as using euro 5 is perfect for it .

So chances are the Tucson , maybe f30 320d has DPF installed

Not sure about pickups , jaguar , Land Rover and Audi tdi from grey imports

can name any vehicle selling in malaysia need using Euro5?

hoping for Golf GTD /Passat TDI / audi a5 3.0 tdi to come

Mazda 6 2.2 d, Cx5 diesel, Tucson , Sorrento, range rover ,

The mazda skyactiv diesels and some of the grey imports that didn't undergo the "DPF" delete conversion.

Even in europe with euro 6 fuel (and even higher grade "super diesel"), diesel vehicles still have problems with failing DPFs because most drivers aren't educated on how to properly maintain a DPF. Meaning, need a weekly trip with minimum at least 30 minute highway fast driving, and minimal cold starts/short distance driving/frequent start stop traffic conditions.

As from what I read about how some people maintain their DPF (other than what stated), they underwent a process by a company called Ceramax to "wash" the DPF. Costs around 200 pounds for that, big sum for us, but we can at least expect a minimum of (maybe) RM500 if introduced here. The alternative is to replace the DPF set which easily starts from triple the amount of Ceramax.

But most diesel car owners in the europe are fleet/company cars. Their lease terms are around 3-4 years. So usually near the end of the lease, the DPF almost time liao....just nice to renew lease with facelift/new model. Other than those who thinks of keeping long term, no one cares to properly maintain their cars. For most of us here in malaysia who keeps the car longer, with our traffic condition, the DPF also last at tops 5 years (if you're damn lucky). Most likely 3 years on average from those UK drivers with better engine oil, better fuel quality, and better traffic (on average) than us. Mazda Malaysia is actually hiding a ticking time bomb, but the saving grace is that, due to the lower than average compression ratio of the skyactiv diesel (compared to other diesel peers), the soot produced is lesser.

I have not seen an active regen take place so I think our much hotter temperatures will help maintain cleaner dpf , but we will never know until later

Supposedly mazda had a 2.2 diesel on test for 3 years on euro 2 and had no problems which is why they decided to go ahead and introduce it after euro 5 appeared.

It's the same story as egr , catalyzer, and direct injection , everywhere are 50 percent stories of failure and 50 percent never failed. Just bite the bullet and go for it. In the end when petrol particulate filter also appears , the same story continues.

I'll let everyone know in 5 years time , meantime enjoy the cruising at 160 at 2500rpms

This post has been edited by rcracer: Jul 24 2017, 10:59 PM

Seems good for you so far. There maybe (can't confirm on this, just my speculation) the possibility that bermaz somehow manage to disable the regen totally, but leave the DPF there as it is an extra job/additional parts for them to refit the exhaust without the DPF. In any case, just check your dipstick bi-weekly to monitor any oil sump buildup.

I understand that anyone has a choice for their cars. Just that there is a need for the car makes (in this case, Bermaz) to educate on some unique peculiarities on diesel cars with DPF. Can pretty much presume that DPF is something totally new to us. Well in your case, hope the warranty also covers this.

Yeah, it's great car you have. Nice choice, enjoy the drive

All diesel can work with conventional euro 2m. It does not mean if you use euro 2m it's a direct death to the engine. My group has a owner who shares the same engine as the new sorento and clocked over 300k with mix fuel both euro 5 and 2m. Engine is still strong pushing out close to 600nm and 230hp. So the myth for instant death is debunked.

Running euro 5 means you will provide a cleaner fuel to minimize clogs on high impedance piezo injectors. The engine for sorento, is same as Santa Fe and same as karnival shares the same design of injector where it is non serviceable. You can try to use those ultrasonic cleaners but most people would recommend a full set change which is costly. Again this can be mitigated by using bluechem injector cleaners. Hyundai is offering this product as base cleaner during each service interval.

For dpf, the carbon sludge is subjected to high heat to be burnt off as carbon powder. You don't need to drive on expressway to flush the clogged dpf. Just rev the car at a high rpm and hold for a few seconds. The high velocity will push the debris out.

Lastly EGR do no operate when the engine is on load. So if you're on idle or cruising and using a cleaner fuel, there is much lesser smog being inhaled back. Ultimately you can reflash to delete egr or use the crude way of blanking off the egr from the intake.

To ts, there is nothing to worry about Diesel engine.

Exactly as above , some have failures , some do not , there's no guarantee of what is what

So up to you to decide

Thanks all for the feedback. Very useful information

I like this thread. I'm also curious/interested in diesel vs hybrid vs full EV in terms of FC vs maintenance.

I don't think they disabled regen , heck they didn't even bother to switch tail lamps leaving it one eyed jack reverse lamp ala euro style.

My train of taught is that our weather is so hot , the engine always reaches operating temperature and exhaust gases temperature also always remains high so the brains says well all is good.

It's true there were many cases of oil level increasing in Mazda but mostly due to too many interrupted active regen. Most of them report the car driven very short distance and seldom reaches operating temperature. It happens quite often in winter , summer is from Monday to Thursday one week a year.

To spot an active regen is easy , your instantaneous fuel consumption read out will jump up , start stop disabled and rpm will raise , just let it finish and you're fine.

To be fair almost no salesman ever says anything about the DPF , they don't even know it's there or what is it.

But if there's is no DPF at all even better , you don't have to worry about anything but if it's there also no big deal

Even worse in Sabah, my area not even had any euro 5 diesel station yet, no choice to driving far away from home to Tuaran is the nearest station got euro 5 diesel, the return trip is 140km journey from K. Marudu, just only shell offer euro 5 diesel in Sabah. luckily my pickup tank can fill up to 100 liter diesel from fuel empty warning sign, plus take additional 6 extra 25L plastic tank to refilled it, I can use for 6-8 weeks straight before next refill. It costs me RM520-550 single refill depends on latest fuel price.

I see. It makes sense as our temperature is too hot. I have been in a 1980s Mercedes at -4C - -12C in winter. Need 20 mins just to warm up car until full operating temp. If driving anything below that the car's temp will drop and the car will stall.

My work daily commute is about 20km in stop-start traffic. Only go back to kampung (500+ km) like 3 times a year. Is it advisable for a diesel?

Idle revving does have the same effect as driving the car high speed. But few seconds really enough? What i read and understand was that it takes time to really burn off the crap in the DPF. And hence an extended drive at least once a week is a good practice.

I'm not sure how much is the bluechem solution cost, but i personally used this before on every 5000km, the cost is reasonable :

http://www.fasmoto.com/bardahl-crdi-cleaner?search=bardahl

Ah i see.....

Diesel engines work best at long distance cruises, and where the fuel economy is better than petrol. In stop/start heavy traffic, there is no significant fuel economy advantages against petrol. And further, there are no small diesel cars in malaysia market, further disadvantaging the fuel economy factor.

If it is the car you like, no harm getting it despite being diesel engined. But if you choose it mainly because of the fuel economy factor, you'll be kind of disappointed with your driving condition.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 25 2017, 09:38 AM

I see. Thanks. The reason why I am interested in the Sorento is the emergency 3rd row seats. X-trail kind of basic, and does not seem premium. Santa Fe not as big as Sorento. Not interested in MPV looks even though MPV's are big. Not going to using the 3rd row all the time.

Not sure I want to get a 2.4L petrol powered Sorento. Cannot imagine the FC.

Mazda takes longer probably because of all aluminium engine , block and head. For me it takes 20 minutes tp reach operating temp here in Malaysia itself if I get stuck in stop and go traffic add the fact that water temperature is always warmer than oil temperatures, actual engine temperature takes even longer to reach.

It depends on what you want, for me I do 28 km daily only and only one balik kampung trip but I anyways bought the most expensive model possible just because I like diesel and I like torque , but now I find myself looking to do more trips because the car is so capable at long distance cruising , i probably don't need to have spent the extra 10k over the 2.5 but done is done and no turning back

For that range of cars, (bar the grand carnival) the Sorento is the largest of 3 rows SUVs in that price range.

My family owned the sorento equivalent santa fe diesel (albeit previous generation, which actually has slightly larger interior space than the current one), the NVH is half a notch better than counterparts. Car feels rather planted even i reached 170km/h. The new Sorento should have a step up on NVH further.

You can have a perspective from a car blogger here regarding the sorento diesel :
http://kensomuse.com/blog/2017/02/06/new-k...ence-inspiring/

Just that if you get the low spec diesel, the last row has now air conditioning vents like the high spec version.

The HS has the second row curtains, which are quite handy.

When you're driving in jam there is enough heat there to burn. Driving on expressway normally on cruise speed is low rev. That is not enough velocity to formally flush out the debris.

Never tried other cleaner. Sticking to recommended ones. So far so good.

Actually DPF regen is not dependant on exhaust velocity but temperature , the regen is about burning off the deposits not blowing it out

Truck regens are more sophisticated and they will have a pre DPF and post DPF temperature sensor , differential pressure sensor but not exhaust velocity sensor

In an active regen , the engine revs up between 1500-2000 rpm only not more. Driving on highway achieves the same conditions , constant RPM and enough exhaust temperature under load. These highway runs do not use extra injected fuel , just the temperature is sufficient.

In a stationary regen extra diesel is injected because at idle the engine doesn't have enough load so some extra diesel is needed to boost the temperatures

I finally found an owner of the new Carnival using Euro2M almost exclusively in Kelantan. 6k km (2 months), nothing wrong with vehicle. So I guess the 2.2L engine can withstand abuse?

My family owned santa fe diesel used euro2 diesel for the 1st 60k+ km (4+ years), no problem pun. Being diesel, the engine oil go black very fast (saturated with more soot).

So either change engine oil more frequently, or use good quality diesel engine specific engine oil.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 26 2017, 02:12 PM

How frequent compared to petrol car?

Under warranty, so change every 5000km. The last change was around 7500km, using 15w-40 ZIC semi synthetic HDEO. After that, used Kendall Super-D 10w-30 semi synthetic for 8000km before selling the car off.

Thanks

In short, other than mazda skyactive diesel range and some continental diesels, 99% of the rest would work fine with euro2 diesels.

Euro2 exhaust stinks more and can see more smoke.

While euro5 exhaust is less smelly and the exhaust smoke is much reduced.

oh well. What to do . Thanks everyone for all the feedback

However the conventional euro 2m is still a slow death? seeing euro 5 can minimise future damage to the injectors?
or that depends on the type of car and engine one have to know if it should be euro 2m or euro 5?

'Only new cars with vgt, egr, dpf required euro 5'
but how about older cars then? Euro 5 or just euro 2
since engine is already old so euro 2 save money right
worst is just overhaul

nobody would want to be stuck nowhere without any fuel
regardless petrol or diesel, still inconvenient for any drivers
though euro 2 is easily available but seems latest diesel tech is always preferable

Running out of diesel is much worse than running out of petrol. If you run out of petrol, you can get some more and your vehicle will run just fine. If you run out of diesel, the entire fuel system needs to be bled by a mechanic.

Incorrect. It's newer common rail direct injection recommends Euro 5 fuel as the engine operates at complex magnitude and controlling precise curling to ensure minimal smog. They can still run conventional euro 2.

Its just like smoking. You know it's bad. But the side effect differs to people. Preventive measures like running injector cleaners etc can help prolong the life span but does not ensure longetivvity.

You rarely see diesel cars overhaul due to long mileage because they don't run like normal petrol piston ring. The higher the pressure, the greater the seal.

No such nonsense. Just pump in euro 2. Nothing is going to fail. Don't be paranoid, even fifth gear also confirm that diesel engine can run on petrol. If you accidentally pour in gasoline, don't worry. Top up more diesel. You will feel your car run smoother but slight less power. After bleeding out all the gasoline, it will just run like normal.


I think everyone here has a misconception on modern diesel car. They are not as taufu as you think. You can run a full tank diesel on idle till it runs out of fuel under the hot sun, and still you won't risk on getting your engine gasket burn. Euro 2 is like smoking cigar, while euro 5 is like vape. I can say the most fragile part of the modern diesel engine is the injectors. Because they operated at high parameters and electronically controlled by fast pulse.

euro 5 diesel will benefit

First your exhaust smoke will be more cleaner instead black. Going in Singapore will need euro 5 diesel only and the moment you get caught farting with black smoke. Prepare to get fine when you leave the singapore customs

My friend fetch me back from the airport back to malaysia and happened to him. The fine is SGD $ 150

You want proof and evidence ? they will show you on the spot with VIDEO also.

Second euro 5 diesel will be more better for your engine

If you use euro 2 diesel on euro 5 emission standard vehicle will most likely cause problems. Too many list from black smoke , dirty black stuffs stuck in the hoses and etc

This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Dec 6 2017, 01:23 AM

Common rail system nothing much to service , if anything fails need to change because tolerances are too too fine , once the part has worn out you can't rebuild it

Thanks for the info

If selling the car I think is okay, if keep long term just replace even if costly

I think old style mechanical injectors can be rebuilt but new piezo ultra fine ultra high pressure multi injection capable type can't be rebuilt

Same for ultra high pressure injection pump

This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 6 2017, 08:33 AM

You obviously didn't read my post but replied to it anyway.

On the long term, maybe. Sulfur acts as lubricant for those older engineering.

Diesel is heavier than petrol, so it sits below petrol in the fuel tank where the fuel pump pickup usually sits. For those who actually did misfueld petrol into a diesel engine (small amounts, less than 25%), please continue to keep the tank above half and constantly top it up with diesel until the petrol portion fully vapourise (could take a few months). Diesel and petrol will not mix unless you add additives (usually those fuel system cleaners) that will mix them up.

Petrol and diesel lubricity is different, will damage the components if too much.

Service or cleaning injectors there are a few specialist whom have the machine. Some injectors can be rebuild however some arent. You have to be specific. My recommendation is to just replace new injectors if possible.

By density yes if you're stationary. But not during motion.

true also. thats why i also try to pump as i go.
cannot wait till empty, even sometimes half tank also just pump a bit more
after sometime i also get use to it already to pump at which area for petronas

interesting note to take down. thanks.
i thought old cars must overhaul but if just changin the diesel brand can help.
then its a good try at least with petronas euro5 here u r talking about

Unless there is a new big and rich petrol operator in kota Bharu, then pasir Puteh on a monthly basis. Just filled up today

If you look at the specs of euro 2 vs euro 5, the reduction in soot and sulphur is like 10 times less.

10 times! And not by chance but by literal engineering it has so much less pollutant

Absolutely not , the lubricating properties of sulphur is substituted by cleaner additives hence no problems for old engines

Depends on how old is "old", but generally within 15 years old, euro 5 should work fine.

This is a damn freaking good read! Sorry for reviving old threads but I am contemplating between the diesel and petrol Kia Sportage.

Read around about DPF and it scares the shit out of me as the replacement cost is expensive.

To diesel engine owners, how's the maintenance cost compared to petrol engine?

This post has been edited by Duckies: Apr 10 2018, 08:41 PM

Save on mileage. Other cost not sure since I have 3 years free service and parts

So far nothing more than the usual oil and filter

As long you keep using euro 5 , the dpf will be fine ,

Does the Kia Sportage 2018 diesel has the DPF?

Maybe not , you have to chekc

I see. Another noobie question from me. Is the Euro 5 diesel price the same as Euro 2?

Always 10 sen more expensive

Should be fine then. I am still thinking deep whether I wanna take a diesel engine car or not. I like the power but I am afraid of the maintenance and repairing cost unless it doesn't differ much from the petrol version.

I guess I don't really have much knowledge on diesel cars until I found this thread. It's been an informational read

How's your diesel car so far?

This post has been edited by Duckies: Apr 11 2018, 09:57 AM

Enjoying fully , rest of the guys also enjoying , no Big deal just driving like any normal day

Generally diesel engines are more reliable than petrol engines and easier to maintain ......
especially when one sticks to Euro 5 diesel that's available nowadays.
There is a reason why buses and lorry trucks/trailers use 'solely' diesel engines.

THe reason for bus/lorry is the low end torque

Glad to hear that. I'll proceed with the diesel car.

Agreed with low end torque.
But modern day turbo petrol engines have low end torque too, hence diesel's advantage on low end torque has been narrowed, if not eliminated with modern turbo petrol engine technology.
Yet, one doesn't find turbo petrol engines that could deliver far higher power density than diesels in a modern day say, trailers or heavy trucks let alone buses.

Trucks/Busses dont need high power (HP wise), there is a reason their speed limit is 80kmh...

Oh and no one wanna maintain a turbo engine on a bus bro... go for the safest and most simple path..

This post has been edited by MeToo: Apr 11 2018, 12:07 PM

Fair enough, but buses/lorry/trailers need the power on roads/highways like changkat jering, KLIA towards Nilai, Karak etc.
Ooh, offhighway trucks in construction sites would love more power, if only there is ease of maintenance on turbo petrol engines, which aren't available to construction equipments anyway.

What do you mean they need power?

What kinda power u referring to?

U want them to go 180kmh?

Excellent choice.
You should try both the Sportage GT with 2.0D and the Sorento with 2.2D engine.
The Sorento seems to be better equipped than the Sportage but at much higher price.

I also test drove the Sorento 2.2D with my in-laws, but they opted for the Carnival 2.2D while I chose for CX-5 2.2D.

Happy sorento 2.2 d owner here. Great power. 7 seats.

Car too big for my taste. Most of the time I drive alone

if don't have family, consider smaller car. i most of the time 3 people in sorento.

How's the noise? Older diesel car is noisy as hell even inside the car

Very quiet. So far, only 2 people managed to guess it is a diesel. The rest all think petrol until I say it is diesel.

Bawak 160km no fuss. kind of boring.

Power of diesel You drive mostly in city or highway? How's the FC?

FC for city, almost similar to petrol. lots of stop start traffic. About 11.2-11.5L/km. Once highway, you can get 5.8-6L/100km (if you stick to speed limit 110km). If you do 160km, then 6.4-6.7L/100km.

That's pretty good

One don't get 11.2~11.5L/km for a 2.2L petrol engine under heavy start-stop traffic. So milleage seems better for diesel.