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 using normal diesel for euro 5 diesel vehicle, What happens?

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Vervain
post Jul 25 2017, 03:09 AM

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All diesel can work with conventional euro 2m. It does not mean if you use euro 2m it's a direct death to the engine. My group has a owner who shares the same engine as the new sorento and clocked over 300k with mix fuel both euro 5 and 2m. Engine is still strong pushing out close to 600nm and 230hp. So the myth for instant death is debunked.

Running euro 5 means you will provide a cleaner fuel to minimize clogs on high impedance piezo injectors. The engine for sorento, is same as Santa Fe and same as karnival shares the same design of injector where it is non serviceable. You can try to use those ultrasonic cleaners but most people would recommend a full set change which is costly. Again this can be mitigated by using bluechem injector cleaners. Hyundai is offering this product as base cleaner during each service interval.

For dpf, the carbon sludge is subjected to high heat to be burnt off as carbon powder. You don't need to drive on expressway to flush the clogged dpf. Just rev the car at a high rpm and hold for a few seconds. The high velocity will push the debris out.

Lastly EGR do no operate when the engine is on load. So if you're on idle or cruising and using a cleaner fuel, there is much lesser smog being inhaled back. Ultimately you can reflash to delete egr or use the crude way of blanking off the egr from the intake.

To ts, there is nothing to worry about Diesel engine.
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post Jul 25 2017, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 25 2017, 09:37 AM)
Idle revving does have the same effect as driving the car high speed. But few seconds really enough? What i read and understand was that it takes time to really burn off the crap in the DPF. And hence an extended drive at least once a week is a good practice.

I'm not sure how much is the bluechem solution cost, but i personally used this before on every 5000km, the cost is reasonable :

http://www.fasmoto.com/bardahl-crdi-cleaner?search=bardahl
Ah i see.....
Diesel engines work best at long distance cruises, and where the fuel economy is better than petrol. In stop/start heavy traffic, there is no significant fuel economy advantages against petrol. And further, there are no small diesel cars in malaysia market, further disadvantaging the fuel economy factor.

If it is the car you like, no harm getting it despite being diesel engined. But if you choose it mainly because of the fuel economy factor, you'll be kind of disappointed with your driving condition.
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When you're driving in jam there is enough heat there to burn. Driving on expressway normally on cruise speed is low rev. That is not enough velocity to formally flush out the debris.

Never tried other cleaner. Sticking to recommended ones. So far so good.
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post Dec 5 2017, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(Quebuscas @ Dec 5 2017, 02:56 AM)
No, but pointless

Euro 5 means the sulphur ppm, after burning less soot or smoke

Only new cars with vgt, egr, dpf required euro 5

If put euro 2, the soot will be problematic in modern diesel

Make the vgt stuck, egr blocks  dpf block, engine oil more black

Putting high rpm isn't the way to purge the soot out, because no load

Best way is go genting full throttle
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Incorrect. It's newer common rail direct injection recommends Euro 5 fuel as the engine operates at complex magnitude and controlling precise curling to ensure minimal smog. They can still run conventional euro 2.

QUOTE(lurvep34c3 @ Dec 5 2017, 03:35 PM)
However the conventional euro 2m is still a slow death? seeing euro 5 can minimise future damage to the injectors?
or that depends on the type of car and engine one have to know if it should be euro 2m or euro 5?
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Its just like smoking. You know it's bad. But the side effect differs to people. Preventive measures like running injector cleaners etc can help prolong the life span but does not ensure longetivvity.

QUOTE(hushushhush @ Dec 5 2017, 04:18 PM)
'Only new cars with vgt, egr, dpf required euro 5'
but how about older cars then? Euro 5 or just euro 2
since engine is already old so euro 2 save money right
worst is just overhaul
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You rarely see diesel cars overhaul due to long mileage because they don't run like normal petrol piston ring. The higher the pressure, the greater the seal.

QUOTE(roocarroll @ Dec 5 2017, 09:00 PM)
Running out of diesel is much worse than running out of petrol. If you run out of petrol, you can get some more and your vehicle will run just fine. If you run out of diesel, the entire fuel system needs to be bled by a mechanic.
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No such nonsense. Just pump in euro 2. Nothing is going to fail. Don't be paranoid, even fifth gear also confirm that diesel engine can run on petrol. If you accidentally pour in gasoline, don't worry. Top up more diesel. You will feel your car run smoother but slight less power. After bleeding out all the gasoline, it will just run like normal.


I think everyone here has a misconception on modern diesel car. They are not as taufu as you think. You can run a full tank diesel on idle till it runs out of fuel under the hot sun, and still you won't risk on getting your engine gasket burn. Euro 2 is like smoking cigar, while euro 5 is like vape. I can say the most fragile part of the modern diesel engine is the injectors. Because they operated at high parameters and electronically controlled by fast pulse.
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post Dec 6 2017, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Quebuscas @ Dec 5 2017, 11:48 PM)
Anyone here wants to share where do you guys service your diesel engine? Particularly diesel injector and diesel fuel pump?

The workshop usually specializes in big lorry engine, but for sedan or 4x4 are quite rare

Especially, audi tdi, BMW diesel, Mercedes cdi, peugeot diesel.
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Service or cleaning injectors there are a few specialist whom have the machine. Some injectors can be rebuild however some arent. You have to be specific. My recommendation is to just replace new injectors if possible.

QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Dec 6 2017, 10:52 AM)
On the long term, maybe. Sulfur acts as lubricant for those older engineering.
Diesel is heavier than petrol, so it sits below petrol in the fuel tank where the fuel pump pickup usually sits. For those who actually did misfueld petrol into a diesel engine (small amounts, less than 25%), please continue to keep the tank above half and constantly top it up with diesel until the petrol portion fully vapourise (could take a few months). Diesel and petrol will not mix unless you add additives (usually those fuel system cleaners) that will mix them up.

Petrol and diesel lubricity is different, will damage the components if too much.
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By density yes if you're stationary. But not during motion.

 

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