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post Jul 21 2017, 08:38 PM

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Not good for injectors , EGR get clogged fast , catalyzer also fast full and mine with DPF is death sentence , once a while is ok but long term will hancur engine
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post Jul 24 2017, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 24 2017, 01:49 PM)
Only mazda diesel here have strong preference to euro 5 and the SC will mention it to you. Other brands all made some adjustment to accept euro 2 without too much issue.

Since you are using sorento, it would do fine with euro 2. I ran santa fe same engine for euro 2 for initial 60k km, only after that then switched to euro 5.

But euro 5 will do well on all non commercial vehicles here nonetheless.
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Because Mazda no modification at all , no retuning, no removal of diesel particulate filter , is identical to an Europe export car

That's why must use euro 5.
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post Jul 24 2017, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 24 2017, 03:08 PM)
The only modification they did was just to remove the DPF filter. No difference otherwise from the engine for BMW.
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Which resulted in their cars generating more wheel horsepower than advertised
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post Jul 24 2017, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Jul 24 2017, 03:59 PM)
Nopes, lesser due to the longitudinal engine layout. For example, on paper it is rated 184hp for the N47 diesel engine. On a zero load dynojet dyno, it pulls around 170-173ps only. For the B47 engine, on paper it is rated at 190hp and on the same dyno, it gets around 176ps-177ps.
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Ah , apparently the quoted is on crank. 173 back calculated apparently is more than 184 on crank
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post Jul 24 2017, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Jul 24 2017, 05:25 PM)
Great explanation.

But this bit... hmm... is it true, almost all diesel cars in Msia have no DPF?

Coz if that's really true, it really wouldn't matter which type of diesel owners of the new Sorento use.
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Mazdas have DPF , not sure about other , best to assume that if it is launched after euro 5 was introduced , the DPF filter remains installed , there's no need to remove as using euro 5 is perfect for it .

So chances are the Tucson , maybe f30 320d has DPF installed

Not sure about pickups , jaguar , Land Rover and Audi tdi from grey imports
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post Jul 24 2017, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(BrokeBack @ Jul 24 2017, 06:58 PM)
can name any vehicle selling in malaysia need using Euro5?

hoping for Golf GTD /Passat TDI / audi a5 3.0 tdi to come brows.gif
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Mazda 6 2.2 d, Cx5 diesel, Tucson , Sorrento, range rover ,
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post Jul 24 2017, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 24 2017, 09:26 PM)
The mazda skyactiv diesels and some of the grey imports that didn't undergo the "DPF" delete conversion.
Even in europe with euro 6 fuel (and even higher grade "super diesel"), diesel vehicles still have problems with failing DPFs because most drivers aren't educated on how to properly maintain a DPF. Meaning, need a weekly trip with minimum at least 30 minute highway fast driving, and minimal cold starts/short distance driving/frequent start stop traffic conditions.

As from what I read about how some people maintain their DPF (other than what stated), they underwent a process by a company called Ceramax to "wash" the DPF. Costs around 200 pounds for that, big sum for us, but we can at least expect a minimum of (maybe) RM500 if introduced here. The alternative is to replace the DPF set which easily starts from triple the amount of Ceramax.

But most diesel car owners in the europe are fleet/company cars. Their lease terms are around 3-4 years. So usually near the end of the lease, the DPF almost time liao....just nice to renew lease with facelift/new model. Other than those who thinks of keeping long term, no one cares to properly maintain their cars. For most of us here in malaysia who keeps the car longer, with our traffic condition, the DPF also last at tops 5 years (if you're damn lucky). Most likely 3 years on average from those UK drivers with better engine oil, better fuel quality, and better traffic (on average) than us. Mazda Malaysia is actually hiding a ticking time bomb, but the saving grace is that, due to the lower than average compression ratio of the skyactiv diesel (compared to other diesel peers), the soot produced is lesser.
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I have not seen an active regen take place so I think our much hotter temperatures will help maintain cleaner dpf , but we will never know until later

Supposedly mazda had a 2.2 diesel on test for 3 years on euro 2 and had no problems which is why they decided to go ahead and introduce it after euro 5 appeared.

It's the same story as egr , catalyzer, and direct injection , everywhere are 50 percent stories of failure and 50 percent never failed. Just bite the bullet and go for it. In the end when petrol particulate filter also appears , the same story continues.

I'll let everyone know in 5 years time , meantime enjoy the cruising at 160 at 2500rpms

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post Jul 25 2017, 05:33 AM

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Exactly as above , some have failures , some do not , there's no guarantee of what is what

So up to you to decide


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post Jul 25 2017, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 24 2017, 11:20 PM)
Seems good for you so far. There maybe (can't confirm on this, just my speculation) the possibility that bermaz somehow manage to disable the regen totally, but leave the DPF there as it is an extra job/additional parts for them to refit the exhaust without the DPF. In any case, just check your dipstick bi-weekly to monitor any oil sump buildup.

I understand that anyone has a choice for their cars. Just that there is a need for the car makes (in this case, Bermaz) to educate on some unique peculiarities on diesel cars with DPF. Can pretty much presume that DPF is something totally new to us. Well in your case, hope the warranty also covers this.

Yeah, it's great car you have. Nice choice, enjoy the drive  :thumbsup:
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I don't think they disabled regen , heck they didn't even bother to switch tail lamps leaving it one eyed jack reverse lamp ala euro style.

My train of taught is that our weather is so hot , the engine always reaches operating temperature and exhaust gases temperature also always remains high so the brains says well all is good.

It's true there were many cases of oil level increasing in Mazda but mostly due to too many interrupted active regen. Most of them report the car driven very short distance and seldom reaches operating temperature. It happens quite often in winter , summer is from Monday to Thursday one week a year.

To spot an active regen is easy , your instantaneous fuel consumption read out will jump up , start stop disabled and rpm will raise , just let it finish and you're fine.

To be fair almost no salesman ever says anything about the DPF , they don't even know it's there or what is it.

But if there's is no DPF at all even better , you don't have to worry about anything but if it's there also no big deal
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post Jul 25 2017, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Jul 25 2017, 09:05 AM)
I see. It makes sense as our temperature is too hot. I have been in a 1980s Mercedes at -4C - -12C in winter. Need 20 mins just to warm up car until full operating temp. If driving anything below that the car's temp will drop and the car will stall.

My work daily commute is about 20km in stop-start traffic. Only go back to kampung (500+ km) like 3 times a year. Is it advisable for a diesel?
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Mazda takes longer probably because of all aluminium engine , block and head. For me it takes 20 minutes tp reach operating temp here in Malaysia itself if I get stuck in stop and go traffic add the fact that water temperature is always warmer than oil temperatures, actual engine temperature takes even longer to reach.

It depends on what you want, for me I do 28 km daily only and only one balik kampung trip but I anyways bought the most expensive model possible just because I like diesel and I like torque , but now I find myself looking to do more trips because the car is so capable at long distance cruising , i probably don't need to have spent the extra 10k over the 2.5 but done is done and no turning back
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post Jul 25 2017, 09:48 PM

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Actually DPF regen is not dependant on exhaust velocity but temperature , the regen is about burning off the deposits not blowing it out

Truck regens are more sophisticated and they will have a pre DPF and post DPF temperature sensor , differential pressure sensor but not exhaust velocity sensor

In an active regen , the engine revs up between 1500-2000 rpm only not more. Driving on highway achieves the same conditions , constant RPM and enough exhaust temperature under load. These highway runs do not use extra injected fuel , just the temperature is sufficient.

In a stationary regen extra diesel is injected because at idle the engine doesn't have enough load so some extra diesel is needed to boost the temperatures
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post Dec 6 2017, 06:41 AM

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QUOTE(Quebuscas @ Dec 5 2017, 11:48 PM)
Anyone here wants to share where do you guys service your diesel engine? Particularly diesel injector and diesel fuel pump?

The workshop usually specializes in big lorry engine, but for sedan or 4x4 are quite rare

Especially, audi tdi, BMW diesel, Mercedes cdi, peugeot diesel.
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Common rail system nothing much to service , if anything fails need to change because tolerances are too too fine , once the part has worn out you can't rebuild it


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post Dec 6 2017, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Quebuscas @ Dec 6 2017, 07:13 AM)
I asked before the parts can rebuild

Injector and pump

The worn parts need to trade in
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If selling the car I think is okay, if keep long term just replace even if costly

I think old style mechanical injectors can be rebuilt but new piezo ultra fine ultra high pressure multi injection capable type can't be rebuilt

Same for ultra high pressure injection pump

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post Dec 9 2017, 09:12 AM

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If you look at the specs of euro 2 vs euro 5, the reduction in soot and sulphur is like 10 times less.

10 times! And not by chance but by literal engineering it has so much less pollutant
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post Dec 9 2017, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(fakrulll @ Dec 9 2017, 02:07 PM)
so it's better to pump low grade diesel instead of diesel euro5 for older engine?
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Absolutely not , the lubricating properties of sulphur is substituted by cleaner additives hence no problems for old engines
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post Apr 11 2018, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Apr 10 2018, 08:40 PM)
This is a damn freaking good read! Sorry for reviving old threads but I am contemplating between the diesel and petrol Kia Sportage.

Read around about DPF and it scares the shit out of me as the replacement cost is expensive.

To diesel engine owners, how's the maintenance cost compared to petrol engine?
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So far nothing more than the usual oil and filter

As long you keep using euro 5 , the dpf will be fine ,
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post Apr 11 2018, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Apr 11 2018, 08:42 AM)
Does the Kia Sportage 2018 diesel has the DPF?
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Maybe not , you have to chekc
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post Apr 11 2018, 10:52 AM

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Enjoying fully , rest of the guys also enjoying , no Big deal just driving like any normal day
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post May 28 2018, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ May 27 2018, 09:09 PM)
Thanks all for this awesome read... Makes me even more confident to proceed with a diesel option. Unto my next.. Which is the better Euro 5 brand to pump?
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I only use petronas now , much much much smoother than the rest and highest cetane number , higher cetane number is better
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post Dec 2 2019, 02:14 PM

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generally if you go to BHP there will be euro5

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