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Jingle91
post Jul 4 2024, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 4 2024, 11:38 AM)
Bad is bad lar but at least can still see any cause of accidents, etc. Better than nothing. If police reporting, good enuf as proof.

I think 3rd party tinting void warranty only affect window motors, can still makan sendiri wan but electrical warranty can cover many things including any or all electronic systems even ECU, electrical wiring, etc. If car is hybrid, maybe even more coverage. We don't know, Honda never say specific and no actual known case (at least to me). The scope of possible warranty void for dashcam is way larger and more financial damaging than 3rd party tint. All this are just assumption tho, maybe no void at all but legally, cannot afford to take risk on any electrical wiring and electronic system, pocket almost empty..hehehe.
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Ya, my cousin work in SC in Johor. Really depend on luck, usually they will help customer submit claim as much as possible. But if got ppl in their company asking on the case, they will have to reject the claim in case the car got third party item installed.
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post Jul 4 2024, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(mingsoon @ Jul 2 2024, 10:22 PM)
Do you mind to share which tinting, and coating/ppf you plan to get?
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I actually went to Rhinepro Shop by P10x in Damansara

They have a package of rm5000 for PPF(Rhinepro), Tint(Rhinepro) and Ceramic coating (Gyeon)

The PPF has 6 years warranty
Tint has 10 years warranty
Coating has 4 years

Will be getting the car tomorrow, hopefully all is well
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post Jul 4 2024, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 3 2024, 08:28 AM)
Honda's dashcam is so celup and unclear for its super expensive price when compared with 3rd party cam with even half of it's pricing. Most think it is not worth to install but if want to confirm 100% no warranty issue, this is the only choice if want fixed to 24 hours parking mode. Or else just install and plug via the 12V power plug port mean for accs manual plug in.

i posted this (my City warranty manual, I believe the same with all Hondas)..

Based on this and most car manufacturer's warranty legal clause, any fitting of unauthorized 3rd party can void the warranty or certain parts/or system warranty.
So those ppl say won't void (I heard some ppl say P2 SC tech say won't void but my Honda SA and SC say can void)...they might be wrong at that coz the moment you plug in OBD that can possibly interfere with system or fuse system with 3rd party installation, SC will reserve the right to void the warranty due to the clause 5.1.4 and 5.1.7. The word fitted and fixed is very general term and that can also means just plug in and hook aka fitted to fuse system also counts. You can interpret it other way if you like but I believe Honda will take the general term as it is. Actually it is a known industry standard, can void BUT many ppl arguing against it coz did not really hear a real case of voiding.

Whether they will actually do it or not depends on SC reporting the 3rd party installation when seeking the warranty claim approval from HQ. Honda are pretty strict with warranty claims nowadays when seeking claim approval from HQ. So the risk is there if reported.

There is a case of warranty void of windows motor coz owner installed 3rd party tints (most of us do anyway). Even appeal, rejected due to 3rd party installation. As long as the items are related to parts being claim aka electrical system (fuse) related damage, they can reserve the right to void. Not 100% case but the risk of voiding is there.

In order to eliminate the risk of voiding any warranty, some like me and tourist here choose to install the Honda dashcam.

Just like insurance, when nothing happen, wasted money but when some accident/incident do occur, we have the insurance protection, life saving if we short of money then. If you take the risk and nothing happen (most likely, actually), then you save money, if void coz SC reported if got electrical/wiring warranty claim reject, just pay yourself if you can afford it. I did for my tint, most likely no problem, if motor failed later, claim lor, if rejected.....then pay up myself, I think still can afford to take that risk but for electrical system affecting many other electronic parts, it is the unknown, don't know how far Honda will go to void them if reported, so I figure I can't afford that risk. Many do ignore or take that risk coz most likely nothing happen tho and no problem with that decision, it is up to each individual interpretation and decision.
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Yes, I was thinking a lot on this
Like yes, will save rm600 with 3rd party with better quality
But what happens when it comes to warranty

Too much of a risk
I still have a week plus to think as i can only install it post 1 week of tinting
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post Jul 4 2024, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(touristking @ Jul 3 2024, 07:35 AM)
I got the Honda's purely on warranty issue ground. For piece of mind, don't want to have to argue with Honda on warranty.
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Which is the better choice, and also with the RS, everything is all digitalised, worried that if i install a 3rd party, almost everything electronic will be affected
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post Jul 4 2024, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(beckhamnov @ Jul 4 2024, 02:33 PM)
Yes, I was thinking a lot on this
Like yes, will save rm600 with 3rd party with better quality
But what happens when it comes to warranty

Too much of a risk
I still have a week plus to think as i can only install it post 1 week of tinting
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If you don't need hardwire to fuse, just plug it into 12V socket and call it a day. When it's time to do claims just remove everything.
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post Jul 4 2024, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 4 2024, 03:13 PM)
If you don't need hardwire to fuse, just plug it into 12V socket and call it a day. When it's time to do claims just remove everything.
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Yes, i dont see why the concern if your dash cam is just using inbuilt usb socket. I do this. I even install dash cam on my own front and back. anything i will just remove everything.
For Tint, i got the honda dealer to install 3M, so said the dealer boss owns a tint shop.
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post Jul 5 2024, 12:57 AM

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QUOTE(beckhamnov @ Jul 4 2024, 02:31 PM)
I actually went to Rhinepro Shop by P10x in Damansara

They have a package of rm5000 for PPF(Rhinepro), Tint(Rhinepro) and Ceramic coating (Gyeon)

The PPF has 6 years warranty
Tint has 10 years warranty
Coating has 4 years

Will be getting the car tomorrow, hopefully all is well
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Oh, you are planning to protect your hybrid car with hybrid protection. Haha. Your package i supposed ppf only for front and the others will be ceramic coating.

Congrats and wish you best of luck all will be smooth.
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post Jul 5 2024, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 4 2024, 03:13 PM)
If you don't need hardwire to fuse, just plug it into 12V socket and call it a day. When it's time to do claims just remove everything.
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If you use 12V socket or USB connections, I don't even see the reason to remove anything when claiming warranty related to electrical. 12V socket and USB has their own fuses and it IS meant for external connection as intended by car manufacturer.

However for Honda, it is being so strict that we started to fear plugging anything into the car will void warranty but logically that should not include 12V socket or USB when it is intended for 3rd party connection. Maybe if fuses for that connection burnt, we might have to pay for it tho.

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post Jul 5 2024, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 5 2024, 08:30 AM)
If you use 12V socket or USB connections, I don't even see the reason to remove anything when claiming warranty related to electrical. 12V socket and USB has their own fuses and it IS meant for external connection as intended by car manufacturer.

However for Honda, it is being so strict that we started to fear plugging anything into the car will void warranty but logically that should not include 12V socket or USB when it is intended for 3rd party connection. Maybe if fuses for that connection burnt, we might have to pay for it tho.
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Yeah, I fully agree with you. In fact, I would even go so far as to say if they deny you warranty claim because you plugged something into a port that is MEANT to be used by external accessories, that in itself deserves a lawsuit.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 4 2024, 03:13 PM)
If you don't need hardwire to fuse, just plug it into 12V socket and call it a day. When it's time to do claims just remove everything.
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After reading the thread, better to be safe than sorry, I’ll just use the one from Honda.
Better to pay extra now, rather than when something happens later
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 5 2024, 08:30 AM)
If you use 12V socket or USB connections, I don't even see the reason to remove anything when claiming warranty related to electrical. 12V socket and USB has their own fuses and it IS meant for external connection as intended by car manufacturer.

However for Honda, it is being so strict that we started to fear plugging anything into the car will void warranty but logically that should not include 12V socket or USB when it is intended for 3rd party connection. Maybe if fuses for that connection burnt, we might have to pay for it tho.
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Ill use the Hondas one, since they are hardwiring it and I want the 24 Hour surveillance, which would be handy
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post Jul 8 2024, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(dudester @ Jul 4 2024, 08:24 AM)
Yes, i dont see why the concern if your dash cam is just using inbuilt usb socket. I do this. I even install dash cam on my own front and back. anything i will just remove everything.
For Tint, i got the honda dealer to install 3M, so said the dealer boss owns a tint shop.
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After you own installation, have you ever claim warranty on electrical issue? If no, then you still wouldn't know whether you will have warranty issue or not.

I didn't want to take that chance nor do I want to waste my time arguing with Honda to save a few hundred Ringgit on a 200k car. For me, that's being pound foolish and penny wise.

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QUOTE(touristking @ Jul 8 2024, 02:23 PM)
After you own installation, have you ever claim warranty on electrical issue? If no, then you still wouldn't know whether you will have warranty issue or not.

I didn't want to take that chance nor do I want to waste my time arguing with Honda to save a few hundred Ringgit on a 200k car. For me, that's being pound foolish and penny wise.
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You're entitled to your own opinion, but IMO it's like saying your Nvidia GPU cannot claim warranty coz you plugged in a monitor. It'll reflect really badly on the manufacturer if they really deny a claim because you plugged an external accessory in a 12V/USB socket.
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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 8 2024, 07:51 AM)
You're entitled to your own opinion, but IMO it's like saying your Nvidia GPU cannot claim warranty coz you plugged in a monitor. It'll reflect really badly on the manufacturer if they really deny a claim because you plugged an external accessory in a 12V/USB socket.
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After self installation of 3rd party dashcam , has anyone actually successfully claim electrical warranty without any drama?

If no, then how can anyone claim there's no problem?

The fact of the matter is, if Honda wanted to, they can make it difficult to claim electrical warranty. That's common sense and not just my opinion.
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post Jul 9 2024, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(KingArthurVI @ Jul 8 2024, 07:51 AM)
You're entitled to your own opinion, but IMO it's like saying your Nvidia GPU cannot claim warranty coz you plugged in a monitor. It'll reflect really badly on the manufacturer if they really deny a claim because you plugged an external accessory in a 12V/USB socket.
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A car manufacturer has told me, switching to different rim/tire, even if the same overall diameter are the same will void the warranty. Sounded ridiculous but what's the point of arguing with them?

It stands to reason, just like insurance company, if they want they can find all sorts is excuses. No matter how ridiculous.

So this is not my opinion, if you don't want and drama claiming warranty, best not to give them any reason to reject your warranty. This is just common sense.

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post Jul 9 2024, 01:45 PM

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Nah...I don't think I ever hear of any warranty issue with 12V or USB socket. You can freely plug any item inside. At most, it will burn a fuse. Not expensive really and easy to replace.

Its the 3rd party items that are fixed directly to car OBD and fuse system that can have an effect on warranty claim. OBD can connect to car ECU and for fuse, although they say not cut wire, Honda can make a valid argument that the installer can possibly damage fuse box, touch other wiring when fixing the dashcam cable. Although I have not hear of any case of invalidated warranty due to 3rd party dashcam, with so many electronics and electrical components in cars nowadays, the risk is just too great to bear.

12V and USB got no such installation issue. It is truly a plug and play meant for 3rd party to use. It should have its own independent fuse. Just replace those fuse at our own cost.The wiring running through dashboard, headboard, etc that one if damage the headboard or anything near it, don't know.

Now I even wonder if change windscreen outside and then ADAS camera got problem later , will it blame the 3rd party windscreen installation as well.

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First thing that I did with my car is to change my speaker to a better one, tinted and PPF, this is all done in first few day

I pretty sure that speaker will void whatever warranty, but that risk I willing to take

Dont worry so much guys, I manage to claim few item from Honda previously, its just how we present our case and your luck
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Alots of users don't care about 12v socket and just plug in any 3rd party item in it's. Well, if you're lucky just fuse blow and pay few bucks for fuse replacement then settle the problem. But if u aren't that lucky, it can make ur wire electrical short circuit. Then when that time come u will paying thousand Rm to settle the problem. 12V socket can effects alots of wiring and signal to the ECU, so think twice before u do
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QUOTE(popmaster22 @ Jul 9 2024, 11:01 PM)
Alots of users don't care about 12v socket and just plug in any 3rd party item in it's. Well, if you're lucky just fuse blow and pay few bucks for fuse replacement then settle the problem. But if u aren't that lucky, it can make ur wire electrical short circuit. Then when that time come u will paying thousand Rm to settle the problem. 12V socket can effects alots of wiring and signal to the ECU, so think twice before u do
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I think common sense prevail lar in this matter for car users. If car users got no common sense and plug in high powered devices that exceed the 12V limit, sure lar, anything also can burned and might send the wrong signal back to ECU that regulates the power throughout the car. Do remember where the power comes from the small 12V car battery, that also supply power to all the electronics, engine and electrical parts in the car. Even if it is within the 12V specification, it can quickly drain the battery disabling many functions of the cars.

In generally, unless someone has no common sense and plug high power drain device into the standard 12V socket aka....water boiler, portable iron (if they have 12V socket connection, anyone!!! Haha), I think most car-based items such as dashcam, tyre pump, tmps that have 12V socket specification design, likely no problem.
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QUOTE(Cavino @ Jul 9 2024, 01:45 PM)
Nah...I don't think I ever hear of any warranty issue with 12V or USB socket. You can freely plug any item inside. At most, it will burn a fuse. Not expensive really and easy to replace.

Its the 3rd party items that are fixed directly to car OBD and fuse system that can have an effect on warranty claim. OBD can connect to car ECU and for fuse, although they say not cut wire, Honda can make a valid argument that the installer can possibly damage fuse box, touch other wiring when fixing the dashcam cable. Although I have not hear of any case of invalidated warranty due to 3rd party dashcam, with so many electronics and electrical components in cars nowadays, the risk is just too great to bear.

12V and USB got no such installation issue. It is truly a plug and play meant for 3rd party to use. It should have its own independent fuse. Just replace those fuse at our own cost.The wiring running through dashboard, headboard, etc that one if damage the headboard or anything near it, don't know.

Now I even wonder if change windscreen outside and then ADAS camera got problem later , will it blame the 3rd party windscreen installation as well.
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If your car got honda sensing, better change the windscreen at Honda, if 3S they will send to authorise workshop on behalf. As long the receipt is from Honda, you can ask them fix if got any issue.




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