Let me give you my 2 cents here.
CVT:
Could you clarify your opinion on CVT is based on your test drive experience or just your imagination and assumption? From what I know, Honda's CVT has been regarded as one of the best in the business. For example, my previous ride was a Hyundai 6 speed C-seg and I dare to say I prefer CVT to the Hyundai 6 speed. Going up Genting for example, is a much smoother experience in CVT as 6 speed need to constantly downshift and stuff, while CVT just keep the engine in the sufficient power band. As long as you don't engage ECON mode, the delay is not noticable. 2 seconds is really an exaggeration. My CRV 1.5 turbo can easily touch 180km/h and above in the highway (Easily means I don't need to rev above 3.5k-4krpm). For overtaking, i don't even think paddle shift is necessary, to be honest. Honda's CVT has been programmed to minimize "rubber banding", meaning when you suddenly step on the throttle hard, it will give you a sense of downshifting like normal AT (menaing the rpm will spike, rather than increasing slowly).

Compare to CX5 2.2D or any turbo diesel
No doubt turbo diesel will have much superior bottom end torque. Few things you have to consider though.
1. Diesel - Availability of diesel 5 around your area.
2. Internal space - You are not driving alone all the time, sometimes you would need to fetch your parents, co-workers, friends.... From my experience, it is a bit cramped at the back with 3 people in CX5 (of course depends on the individual size). CRV also has superior boot size.
3. Entertainment/Utility - Do you need android auto/apple car play? It is really useful for me

I won't list everything, you can just read the old threads.. You should really just go and test drive. I cannot comment on CX5 2.2D because I never test drove one.

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 3 2019, 11:37 AM

Regarding coating:
I have done coating on my CRV and I would say the result is excellent. Coating is not about protecting your paint only as it also greatly improve my car washing experience. The dust and dirt will not penetrate into the paint which make car washing a very very simple process. There is a myth to bust here though. You still need to wash your cash with coating. Yes, one can argue that you could always repaint the car after x years, but I would argue that if you don't care about the car, all the scratches, stone chip, black "dots" will appear in less than 1 year. Depends on which shop and package, coating also includes interior and plastic, so it will prolong those plastic lifetime.

Another thing, maybe not so important. I do not have to turn on my wiper during light - medium rain, the water repellent is excellent.



This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 3 2019, 09:57 AM

I'll try to be objective here.. Honda's CVT plus engine overall..truly is nice and all. But compared to the cx5's diesel engine? As you yourself mentioned, it loses out. Absolutely no contest there. Next time you are on the highway, try this.. 180km/h suddenly, car pulls into your lane.. You have to drop down to say 110km/h, switch lanes and ramp up back to 180km/h.. Do that with Honda's CVT and then the cx5's.. You'll notice a clear difference in ease, stability and speed to ramp back up..

1... Plenty stations offering all over peninsula Malaysia. Wanna drive interstate? Non-issue as a full tank can easily give you 700 - 8xxkm mileage. Impossible not to find another Euro 5 diesel station within a 50km radius.
2. Yes... Space.. This one CRV's hands down on top.. Which is why it's the first thing I ask those undecided between them.. 6 footer, big guy and after adjusting for my comfy driving position, I could still fit in behind the driver's seat. That would be impossible with the CX-5. Heck, some car seats with a kid in em, behind my comfy driving seat position, will be tight. So for those who need space? Don't even think it. Just grab the CRV.
3. AA/ACP/MRCC/360 cam/Digital cluster, etc.. Some of these are now standard and the rest can be retrofitted into the CX-5 G2 easily. Wanna know what you can't replicate easily? Performance from that good ol turbo diesel engine and the feels that come with that. You really should have test driven the 2.2d


Summarily, I still believe EV is the future and hopefully next major vehicle purchase will be a full EV.

Try this.. Drive that coated car daily.. Expose it to the harsh elements as usual for the same one year and I guarantee you that coating would have been eaten thru and paint affected too. So I'll still stand by the logical decision. Save my dollars.. DIY all the way. Claybar, wash and apply a good sealant biannually.. Rest of the year, wash and wax regularly.. I achieve the same effect (easy washing and paint protected) without spending more than RM200. When time comes to sell a car, cars like these, at most having a "well protected original paint) will give you some bargaining power of what...RM1-1.5k extra tops!!.. The typical new owner in 5+ years will almost likely still want to respray the car or use as is. So yeah, if some people are willing to dole out thousands of RM on a coating that "makes washing easier"... By all means, do so.. 1 year+ on.. My cheap DIY job still repels water and protects the paint. For dried bird poop? Keep a small handy water spray bottle in your boot with some tissues.. Get home, spray and wipe off.. There.. Done. I've even left a few on for over a week cuz it light rain kept me from washing proper.. Washed and all's still good.

Edit: Grab a Rain-X bottle and applyfor all glass surfaces.. 15 minutes work, every 6 months.. Same no need to always use wipers effect. Speed dependent of course.

This post has been edited by voncrane: Aug 3 2019, 02:36 PM

My reply in bold ya... not trying to argue with you, just try to stay neutral.

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 3 2019, 04:59 PM

Thanks for finding the videos and nah, we just exchanging ideas to help others make better choices. Seeing as we've made ours and have loved with em for awhile.. .. Now, I could have pulled up other videos that shows the CX-5 trumps. But won't as then, it'd be simply arguing.. Hate to have to burst your bubble.. That was an AWD and sure slower on the average solid tarmac road. Why? Partly because that extra traction comes at a cost. A cost that includes extra weight AND power loss as it tries to "manage and overdo" things, than simply accelerate with good tyres on a good road. Now I don't know much about cars, engines, etc all. But I do know that Formula 1 cars aren't AWDs. And those guys, I reckon know a thing or 2 about going fast around a track.

Lastly, since you can concede to this..
"Yes, I agree on your point on this. However, I am not a fast and furious guy, CRV is enough for me at the moment. Definitely would consider a diesel turbo in the future, provided EVs hasn't become popular in maybe another 5 years."

Ends it all.. As you've agreed to the same thing I've consistently mentioned. The CX-5 not only drives and feels better, the diesel turbo greatly assists there too. So for those who want similar? Definitely test drive it first and if it's not for you? Sure.. Move along... Some don't like the diesel factor. Well, there's a 2.5 petrol turbo incoming.. Just as I didn't know till I test drove an even more powerful car.. Similarly, one doesn't know what they are missing out on unless they've had a taste.

Many thanks to l2k and voncrane for the replies. Both of you are like my gurus here in Lowyat.net in choosing CR-V and CX-5. I love both SUVs and each have its own advantageous. I'm not discussing the size, comfort (for both SUVs) or availability of Euro5 (for CX-5 2.2D and I'm in Penang, btw), although I have a few very small issues on each SUVs. However, I appreciate both of you for showing mature attitude in discussing both SUVs. Coating is from other forumer so I will not respond on that.

I do appreciate the comments on the performance of each SUVs and I will try to comment back.

I have a Proton car with CVT (Punch CVT to be exact, and it is know for its sluggish performance), used to drive the current Jazz (CVT) and my test drive experience with the latest CR-V is just on slow traffic experience. I still haven't found suitable time and dealers to test for highway driving experience.

I have no doubt about CVT performance (Proton, Honda, Toyota or any manufacturers) on situation like climbing Genting or even worst, driving towards the border at Wang Kelian at some hilly place. Even in Proton, as you said, the CVT just keep the engine in the sufficient power band and I have no issue. Thanks for your respond about the paddle shifter. Appreciate it. This makes me want to test drive CR-V more.

You are my big influence towards CX-5, bro. He he. Even though the example that you gave here is too extreme (110 to 180 km/h), I can feel that any SUV (CX-5 or CR-V, both 2WD) that can accelerate faster, will win my heart. He he.

Appreciate the videos but in addition to the latest comment by voncrane, the 2WD and AWD will give some differences due to weight. I don't want to comment on that. However, to find the acceleration from 110 to 180 km/h for both SUVs, both videos cannot be used. We need to maintain the speed at 110 km/h then press hard (and floor) the accelerator on both SUVs until 180 km/h. By doing this, the car will be at optimum gear (or ratio for CR-V) at 110 km/h and accelerating from this speed will make the TCU find suitable gear (or ratio) first before accelerate. It is interesting to see comparison for 2.5 Turbo CX-5 with 220hp that will be released soon.

You can give the videos about the CX-5 in the CX-5 thread.

I am happy to have both of you to have this mature conversation on both SUVs even though we are in the CR-V thread. I really appreciate it. This is what we should do. Many thanks to l2k and voncrane. l2k, I really appreciate your continuous review on the Honda Sensing.

This post has been edited by hayenadeblue: Aug 4 2019, 05:16 PM

You are much welcome. It's a forum.. Tis what forums are made for...I understand it's a significant purchase but try not to think too much (Yeah easier said than done..haha). Both are far from perfect. Just try to get the one that gives you as much as you require as stock. What you can retrofit later to make complete? Do it.. Then relax and enjoy the ride.

Regarding test driving.. IMO, I've learnt to vote with my money as a consumer. As long as you are a serious buyer, politely request for an extended text drive. If the dealership or SA is unwilling.. Walk away and find another..It's your hard-earned money to spend. You aren't there to beg... But first, take your time and go over the vehicles. Draw up relevant (possibly daily) scenarios and check them off the list while viewing the vehicles in the showroom and later when test driving. This helps a lot with the decision making. As then, you can easily see places you can compromise and others that are an absolute NO.. I'd wish you luck, but we know luck has nothing to do with choosing between the 2..

I knew it was an AWD in the video, but I would recommend that if anyone that is considering CX5 2.2D, he/she should go for AWD instead of the FWD. I think with 400+ish Nm of torque in command from low bottom, I will argue that if the FWD can bring out the full potential with ESP constantly kicking in.

My point of diesel turbo could potentially drive better is more on the effortless perspective, due to the huge torque from low rpm on tap for effortless acceleration especially on sloppy area. However, this doesn't immediately translate to diesel turbo is definitely faster than petrol turbo. I will agree that turbo diesel is a more efficient engine than turbo petrol, that's for sure.

Still, I would like to stick with data. I know I don't have video and such, but I don't have time to dig them out, I think plenty of automaker reviewer has tested the acceleration anyway.

2.2-gls-skyactiv-d-2wd-2018
2.2-gls-skyactiv-d-awd-2018
1.5tc-2wd-2018

9.1s vs 9.5s vs 8.8s for 0-100km/h figure.

Let me stress again, I do think diesel turbo could accelerate effortlessly with light tap on the paddle. So in a rolling start condition, I can imagine petrol turbo would need some time to catch up during the initial few seconds on acceleration. However, diesel turbo loses out in the high power area (high RPM) due to diesel engine is inherantly heavier with more rugged component, stroke distance is longer, thus limiting its power making ability.

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 5 2019, 04:49 PM

A bit more experience to share. As I gained more experience with all these driving assists stuff, I think there is a small "flaw" not particularly in Honda Sensing, but in general, all adaptive cruise control. It tends to leave quite a big safety distance from the front car (the distance is correlated to speed for Honda sensing, and it has 4 setting to adjust, but even with closest setting, it does have some gap). In Malaysia, unfortunately we have too many fast and furious wannabe in the highway that when they see a gap, they will immediately cut in and what happens next is the adaptive cruise control will trigger and brake the car. What this means is adaptive cruise control is actually less desirable in moderate-heavy traffic condition. Other than this, Low Speed Follow has been excellent as a stress release tool in traffic jam, except it is overly sensitive in throttle and braking occasionally (Human knows how to cruise and brake, software is not that intelligent). I can imagine this will be improved in the future with AI and deep learning, 5G connectivity with car to car communication, but this is out of scope for this discussion.

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 5 2019, 04:55 PM

Let's go slightly more technical and compare to both hp/torque curve of 2.2D and 1.5T.

https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/20...-d_175_awd.html
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/curve/20...bo_awd_cvt.html

Notice how 2.2D tops @ 2000rpm and quickly goes down to about 240nm @ 5000rpm. 1.5T on the other hand maintains 240nm to 5500rpm and starts to decrease from there. It means at high RPM region, petrol engine still able to maintain its torque and thus, due to the equation, produces more HP.

Again, this is just a chart, it doesn't imply which is faster or slower. Just want to stress my point that diesel turbo is effortless in acceleration in low rpm but when comes to pedal to metal condition, petrol will not lose out. So goes back to the scenario where there from 180km/h suddenly drops down to 110km/h, indeed diesel could gain back speed for first few seconds intiially, but petrol will catch up. Honda's CVT as I mentioned earlier, tends to "downshift" pretty quickly, coupled with peddle shift, could offset some disadvantage.


Apologize to CRV owners or potential future owners here as I think I goes a bit off topic already..

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 5 2019, 05:22 PM

No, no, dont apologize, I believe this is good discussion for potential owner and current owner. Appreciate it. CR-V is not a slow SUV. If only they dont use CVT, I will definitely go for it due to its spaciousness.

Will take a look at the graphs. Thanks. There is no 2.5 Turbo variant yet. But will compare it with CX-9 (2.5 Turbo) graph.

This post has been edited by hayenadeblue: Aug 6 2019, 06:57 PM

As a daily fwd driver on mostly city roads/highway.. I can tell for a fact.. the AWD is not needed.. Notice even Mazda themselves are phasing it out. I have never one day experienced wheel spin.. Yet, I can peel away from the toll gate or traffic light and leave all behind effortlessly...(okay, not all lar.. also got folks with more powerful engines out there.. we race sikit, then brake.. Can catch or maintain speed with a surprise) all without having to breach 3K - 4K RPM. 4K RPM+ being really flat kickdown and hold.. Similarly going uphill.. There's no loss in power delivery especially on the highways.. Car just chugs on and on and on.. You said it yourself above.. Rolling start la, bla bla.. When I want to overtake or perform sudden evasive maneuvers.. I have 100% confidence that the engine and handling WILL match me throttle press for press, steering turn for turn.. No lag.. no hesistance.. nthg.. just pull, shift, swerve and keep going where I want it to... just push it and it's done. Hence my stance.. Want a driver's car? The answer is unmistakable.. Want a somewhat okay-ish car that can carry more stuff & care about RV (somewhat)? Get the CRV. I'll reiterate, the CRV is not a slow car. It's just not the best in comparison WHERE driving dynamics and handling is concerned..

This one is mentality problem.. What to do.. All the Assists won't help and it's not safe (for now) to allow cars to almost tailgate other cars in front. Perhaps in the future when cars can communicate amongst themselves.. not unlike how Network routers maintain a steady flow.. Then we can zip around on full automated drives, without worrying (much) about others manually disrupting the flow. For now, as you say... Better to rely on manual driving and or be ready to completely take over in a second to avoid an accident. Actually, the reason you pointed out, was one of which made me end up realizing I can do away with Honda Sensing for now. Volvo and Tesla's would be my minimum benchmarks.

I'd like to first apologize for not bothering to visit the links to more videos. I saw plenty during my research over a 2 year period.. Some here can attest to my hesitance back then. Head over heart.. The heart won in the end. Minus a few kinks? She's a good lad. My message above sums it up.. No need think so much.. Really, take your CRV (reason I say this is that the driving feel is still fresh) and head down to a show room.. Grab a 2.2D FWD.. hit the highway with a couple turns .. ups and downs.. Maybe even do a Genting run.. Etc.. which experts have already done.. The experience you'll have will be sufficient to settle this for you.. No need to apologize all. Both cars are good in their respective departments. Just like I can't argue against the space advantage (fact), mazda's diesel turbo, NVH and driving dynamics is simply no match for the CRV. This is fact. We can agree to disagree.. I can respect that..no biggie.. I'm just here to mingle as a fan. Still a Honda boy.

This post has been edited by voncrane: Aug 7 2019, 02:18 PM

Just got my crv this week. Do u know what is the advantage and disadvantage of the eco mode? should I on always? I feel no difference only.

If you have the turbo, eco mode has less oomph during acceleration which is expected since it want to save you fuel. Not sure about the 2.0L cos i don't have it.

Ya I just tried again. With eco mode feel a bit underpower and less acceleration. Does the fuel save significant? Do U use?

Fuel consumption is higher. It’s feel the engine need more power to move around. Just off the eco mode

Guys, what is the best discount crv 2.0 you guys got now? Can intro SA to me? Current interest rate how much?

u mean eco on then higher or off then higher? sure off higher right cos that’s the purpose but wondering how big difference.


i bought during road show got 5k disc. by honda then sales give a bit extra.

i'm not sure if you have the turbo or not. If you have a lead foot, and scream off the lights, you'll be penalised by extra fuel usage. I guess it depends on how gentle you are on both eco and non eco.

So its up to you mate...

But with the turbo... cruising on the highway for me at 110 km/hr gets me about 16km/l with one person driving.

If you load up, it all adds up to work the engine harder. So you'll have to test out your ride to see what works best eh!

My take on the ECON mode is if you are getting a turbo, you want to enjoy the power that you got and this ECON mode will make it very "numb" until a point that it makes me feel like I am driving a non-turbo.

Fuel consumption for CRV is already excellent in its class and I don't see much gain from ECON mode if I drive sensibly. ECON mode is best to be used (if you still want to save that little amount of fuel) in city driving, I feel that the throttle and speed reduction for highway driving is too much, e.g. accelerating from 100km/h onwards.

I have been driving without ECON (just occasionally turn it on for experiment).
My fuel consumption 100% city driving average at about 12km/l (average speed below 30km/h)
My fuel consumption for 80% highway driving average at about 14.5-15.5km/l (average speed above 70km/h)

ECON mode, from my experiment, can improve city driving consumption by around 0.5km/l.

The only use case of ECON for me, is when I am engaging adaptive cruise control, because I feel that Honda Sensing is a bit too aggressive to my taste, and it seems like ECON mode can tame it a bit (not 100% sure).

This post has been edited by l2k: Aug 23 2019, 05:09 PM