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twincharger07
post Jul 9 2017, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 9 2017, 09:12 PM)
Price doubled in 10 years is 7.2% p.a compounded.

If price rise during property bull run 2011 to 204 is discounted, price raise is less attractive.
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post Jul 10 2017, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(hioniq @ Jul 8 2017, 04:42 PM)
Ok, still need some time. Need to fix defects first and install basic things like fan and light. If I can find good tenant then I will rent, no plan to use agent as I will post ad at mudah and bilik. Got friend rent using agent and faced lots of issues as tenant default payment and refuse to move out.
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Not sure not using an agent is a good idea. You probably need to find a good one.

Also market is bad now and there may not be any boom period even in the future. I am afraid you have entered at the wrong time ie near peak before the crash.
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post Jul 10 2017, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 9 2017, 09:12 PM)
Price doubled in 10 years is 7.2% p.a compounded.

If price rise during property bull run 2011 to 2014 is discounted, price raise is less attractive.
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Macam guru.....only talked abt his wei sui si during bull run.....
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post Jul 10 2017, 06:49 AM

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Which area suitable for investment now? Anyone can share the list?
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post Jul 10 2017, 07:25 AM

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QUOTE(seanking26 @ Jul 10 2017, 06:49 AM)
Which area suitable for investment now? Anyone can share the list?
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The era of rental yield 6% or 7% is over. Unless you find good one e.g. Saffron Sentul, Setia Walk or Regalia with below market value 30%.


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post Jul 10 2017, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 9 2017, 08:56 PM)
It depends what kind of expectation you have and then determine what kind of property to go for..

I gave you an example:

Regalia Jalan Sultan Ismail launch back in 2007 with 500sqft studio cost RM202k, fast forward today, it is selling RM450k with rental price around RM2000/month
It took 10 years to appreciate from RM202k to RM450k... Gain ~RM250k
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Saffron Sentul launch back in 2006 with 1000 sqft condo cost RM225k, fast forward today it is selling RM650k with rental price around RM2500 fully furnish
Pretty good gain over 10 years ~RM425k

Setia Walk Puchong (845sqft) launched back in 2009 with RM320k, today selling at RM500k.. Gain  ~ RM180k
Zest Kinrara 9 (1205 sqft) launch back in 2009 with RM250k, today selling at RM550k.. Gain ~RM300k

What is observed is that small unit like studio tend to appreciate much lesser than bigger units
Bigger units which around 1000sqft are more attracted to buyers who want to buy for own stay and own stay property tend to have better appreciation as home buyers are willing to pay for home that they are happy with.
Smaller units are usually bought by investors for renting purpose. Not many buy for own use. Good rental yield but they tend to appreciate much slower.

Another classic example is Casa Mutiara in Bukit Bintang.. the 300sqft studio subsale was selling RM200k 10years ago but only appreciated to RM330k today (only RM130k gain over 10 years in KL city). However, rental is pretty at RM2000 per month.

there are gems around Klang valley like Scott Garden 775sqft with RM400k subsale, rental about RM1800 and i think old klang road still have plenty of potential

Now is subsale market... New launch prices are daylight robbery this days..

Bukit Jalil is another area to watch out.. some subsales are gems.. catalyst like paradigm mall 2 and pavilion 2.. if we only go in after these 2 malls are completed, then it will be too late..

I don't go around new launch gallery these days but rather driving around the neighborhood and searching subsales online..

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Very nice info, thanks for the sharing. Since I already bought it so I can only try my best to rent out and hopefully to sell at good price in next few years.
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post Jul 10 2017, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jul 9 2017, 08:56 PM)
It depends what kind of expectation you have and then determine what kind of property to go for..

I gave you an example:

Regalia Jalan Sultan Ismail launch back in 2007 with 500sqft studio cost RM202k, fast forward today, it is selling RM450k with rental price around RM2000/month
It took 10 years to appreciate from RM202k to RM450k... Gain ~RM250k
Fantastic pool view
user posted image

Saffron Sentul launch back in 2006 with 1000 sqft condo cost RM225k, fast forward today it is selling RM650k with rental price around RM2500 fully furnish
Pretty good gain over 10 years ~RM425k

Setia Walk Puchong (845sqft) launched back in 2009 with RM320k, today selling at RM500k.. Gain  ~ RM180k
Zest Kinrara 9 (1205 sqft) launch back in 2009 with RM250k, today selling at RM550k.. Gain ~RM300k

What is observed is that small unit like studio tend to appreciate much lesser than bigger units
Bigger units which around 1000sqft are more attracted to buyers who want to buy for own stay and own stay property tend to have better appreciation as home buyers are willing to pay for home that they are happy with.
Smaller units are usually bought by investors for renting purpose. Not many buy for own use. Good rental yield but they tend to appreciate much slower.

Another classic example is Casa Mutiara in Bukit Bintang.. the 300sqft studio subsale was selling RM200k 10years ago but only appreciated to RM330k today (only RM130k gain over 10 years in KL city). However, rental is pretty at RM2000 per month.

there are gems around Klang valley like Scott Garden 775sqft with RM400k subsale, rental about RM1800 and i think old klang road still have plenty of potential

Now is subsale market... New launch prices are daylight robbery this days..

Bukit Jalil is another area to watch out.. some subsales are gems.. catalyst like paradigm mall 2 and pavilion 2.. if we only go in after these 2 malls are completed, then it will be too late..

I don't go around new launch gallery these days but rather driving around the neighborhood and searching subsales online..

cheers..
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good sharing.
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post Jul 10 2017, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(kkkk8888 @ Jul 10 2017, 09:48 AM)
good sharing.
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New launch prices are daylight robbery this days..thats why new properties cant appreciate..

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post Jul 10 2017, 04:16 PM

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nowadays whch area cn enter for doing investment? any idea cn share?
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post Jul 10 2017, 05:30 PM

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post Jul 12 2017, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Charles21 @ Jul 8 2017, 08:30 PM)
Hahaha who the h will rent a studio in nowhere of puchong .. Tropicana also come out LOL is like comparing seri Kembangan vs Bangsar . Btw saja kepoh.. ciao
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Bukit Puchong is not really in the middle of nowhere, it is an ideal location for those who work in Cyberjaya, Putrajaya, KLIA/KLIA2...etc Not everyone in Klang Valley works in the city centre, different areas have their different target markets
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:01 PM

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So many prop around and you plan to do buy sell .. Take into a/c for RPGT some more .. You got the balls to do so
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Fortezan @ Jul 12 2017, 01:40 PM)
Bukit Puchong is not really in the middle of nowhere, it is an ideal location for those who work in Cyberjaya, Putrajaya, KLIA/KLIA2...etc Not everyone in Klang Valley works in the city centre, different areas have their different target markets
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No worry there is still market there, persons working in bandar puteri or puchong jaya, teachers in han ming, sin ming or secondary schools. And you will never know ppl working in kl/pj might stay here also. The existing nilam puri and heron also have many tenants and they might consider move to epic residence as it is new. Anyhow I agree the market here is smaller but it is possible to rent out depending on your asking price and targeted tenant.
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(hioniq @ Jul 12 2017, 02:06 PM)
No worry there is still market there, persons working in bandar puteri or puchong jaya, teachers in han ming, sin ming or secondary schools. And you will never know ppl working in kl/pj might stay here also. The existing nilam puri and heron also have many tenants and they might consider move to epic residence as it is new. Anyhow I agree the market here is smaller but it is possible to rent out depending on your asking price and targeted tenant.
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I thought you have no intention to rent out?
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(SquareFt @ Jul 12 2017, 02:16 PM)
Edit: Oh just read back, so you're finally open to the idea of renting out.
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:27 PM

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Rate quite low like 1k only, unless I find good tenant else I wont rent. The rental might not enough to recover for the damage done and I hv to put in effort to manage the tenant. Not worthy. For now I feel the best is for own use only
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post Jul 12 2017, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(hioniq @ Jul 12 2017, 01:27 PM)
Rate quite low like 1k only, unless I find good tenant else I wont rent. The rental might not enough to recover for the damage done and I hv to put in effort to manage the tenant. Not worthy. For now I feel the best is for own use only
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So jelly of rich ppl like you. Can buy additional house cost RM2k+ monthly for holiday house. Guess I have a lot more to learn.
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post Jul 12 2017, 03:37 PM

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Aiya he bought already anyway, cant do anything much about it already... just have to bite the tongue and move on.
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post Jul 12 2017, 03:50 PM

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Yalor, o buy that time property price already rocket high. Kl and pj area I cant afford, only this bukit puchong within my budget and developer not bad. So now I left not much choice too. If I am rich I will buy kl or pj. Those areas like cheras, old klang road, shah alam, cj or putrajaya not my liking...
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post Jul 12 2017, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(Jason .S @ Jul 12 2017, 03:30 PM)
They can just buy it at Cyber, Putra and sepang...no need rent and cheaper too.

Studio is very dependable on location. Bukit Puchong location is 3rd tier
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Hahaha...have you really stayed in Cyber, Putra and Sepang? It's basically a ghost town at night after office hour. Sure, you can argue there's IOI city mall now, but it is still far cry from a civilized township.

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