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English Clubs Liverpool LYN Kop Talk - 2017/2018, SPA 1 : 1 LIV #YNWA

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Cloud0890
post Jul 22 2017, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Jul 22 2017, 10:52 AM)
Does this mean I have to trust Klopp on the signing of Robertson?

Anyway, will he be the starter or backup for Milner?

Aside, I thought the rumour of us signing Ox is high last time, so fast fade off d arh.
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Definitely backup. The problem wasn't signing Robertson. He is cheap and young and for a backup it's reasonable. Problem was all summer Klopp never intended on replacing Milner with a first choice LB. This is not FSG, this is a choice of Klopp. All other targets before Robertson were also backups.
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post Jul 22 2017, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(damnself @ Jul 22 2017, 11:17 AM)
No wonder Barcelona wants Coutinho. PSG wants to activate Neymar release clause 😅
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If that so, Ask Barca to pay up to 3/4th of the Neymar value. After all, Barca is doing what we have been doing to Saints all this while.
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post Jul 22 2017, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jul 21 2017, 11:13 PM)
I wouldn't say so myself. He is easily worth 50-60M in the current market. And what is true value anyway, does it even matter? No one sells at true value, clubs sell players for what they are worth to the club, not to others. A player might be worth more to Club A than Club B because circumstances are different. Sigurdsson is quoted for 40-50m by Swansea when he really is just a 20-30m player in terms of ability. That's because he alone can be the difference between PL status and relegation and relegation is way costlier than Sigurdsson's fair value.
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I think it's too soon to call him a 50-60m player even in the current market, if he can have another similarly productive season then I'll agree. Of course by then we have to allow for an additional 20m. But well, by then there should be no doubt that he is a player of the perceived calibre.

I agree that the seller sets the price, which is why we are definitely not in ideal situation, since RBL have no need to sell. In fact they really wanna keep him for their maiden UCL campaign. Their valuation and what we're willing to pay seems to be far apart, FSG's fault or not, means that a deal is unlikely anyway. And the player has not even really shown intention to leave too. I think we would go back in for him next summer.
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post Jul 22 2017, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Jul 22 2017, 12:40 PM)
I think it's too soon to call him a 50-60m player even in the current market, if he can have another similarly productive season then I'll agree. Of course by then we have to allow for an additional 20m. But well, by then there should be no doubt that he is a player of the perceived calibre.

I agree that the seller sets the price, which is why we are definitely not in ideal situation, since RBL have no need to sell. In fact they really wanna keep him for their maiden UCL campaign. Their valuation and what we're willing to pay seems to be far apart, FSG's fault or not, means that a deal is unlikely anyway. And the player has not even really shown intention to leave too. I think we would go back in for him next summer.
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No we don't because his 48M release clause kicks in next summer. The difficulty next summer is not money, it's competition. With a cheap release clause now on his contract, he will surely attract richer and bigger suitors. Another argument to be made is if we don't make the necessary big signings this summer, will we end up in top 4 again? If we don't surely we don't even stand a chance in signing him anymore. All I can hope for is that we do and that he will still be tempted by the prospect of playing for Klopp next summer.
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post Jul 22 2017, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jul 22 2017, 01:32 PM)
No we don't because his 48M release clause kicks in next summer. The difficulty next summer is not money, it's competition. With a cheap release clause now on his contract, he will surely attract richer and bigger suitors. Another argument to be made is if we don't make the necessary big signings this summer, will we end up in top 4 again? If we don't surely we don't even stand a chance in signing him anymore. All I can hope for is that we do and that he will still be tempted by the prospect of playing for Klopp next summer.
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Ok, I forgot about his release clause the next summer. Then the case is pretty clear, RBL dont give shit about the money, they would rather lose him cheaper the next summer instead of accepting higher offer now. Unless we offer them a deal good enough to offset any loss of potential commercial exposure, then the deal is a non-starter now. Besides, really curious about your stance - do we sign him at all cost this summer because it's hard to see him choosing from all the suitors he would potentially attract?
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im sure release clauses can be changed with a new contract offering...
as mentioned already... red bull needs him for their CL campaign...so rather than prostitute themselves with a potential embarrassing showing in the CL... better just see how they do with their full strength team.
so its not really about money to them nor losing him cheap next season...48m isnt cheap anyway.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2017, 02:11 PM)
im sure release clauses can be changed with a new contract offering...
as mentioned already... red bull needs him for their CL campaign...so rather than prostitute themselves with a potential embarrassing showing in the CL... better just see how they do with their full strength team.
so its not really about money to them nor losing him cheap next season...48m isnt cheap anyway.
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Mostly on point imo, except in the end it's still about money. Just that they prefer to do it via positive exposure in their maiden UCL campaign, rather than being embarrassment. They are (were?) already the public enemy of Germany football for their rise, so they are not taking the risks for a bad showing.

Where do u stand re this transfer though?
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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Jul 22 2017, 04:46 PM)
Mostly on point imo, except in the end it's still about money. Just that they prefer to do it via positive exposure in their maiden UCL campaign, rather than being embarrassment. They are (were?) already the public enemy of Germany football for their rise, so they are not taking the risks for a bad showing.

Where do u stand re this transfer though?
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for me i rather the money go towards a confirmed min 20-goal striker that can fit klopp's system...and isnt on first name basis with doctors.
sure we got others who can contribute 15 goals each etc... but their conversion rates aren't great compared to a proper striker...
and especially if against buses... have to make them count.
Ings is actually a good fit... but everyone probably doesn't expect him to complete half the season.
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QUOTE(VoidDance @ Jul 22 2017, 12:36 PM)
If that so, Ask Barca to pay up to 3/4th of the Neymar value. After all, Barca is doing what we have been doing to Saints all this while.
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http://www.espnfcasia.com/story/3162417/ba...-germain-source

Neymar agree terms already with PSG 😅
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2017, 05:11 PM)
for me i rather the money go towards a confirmed min 20-goal striker that can fit klopp's system...and isnt on first name basis with doctors.
sure we got others who can contribute 15 goals each etc... but their conversion rates aren't great compared to a proper striker...
and especially if against buses... have to make them count.
Ings is actually a good fit... but everyone probably doesn't expect him to complete half the season.
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Yeah, that kinda amount of money should be for players who could guarantee goals. I'm generally still stuck in the mindset that top dollar is for attacking players only too. But I think klopp has mitigated that partially with the signing of Salah

Ings... Hopefully there is a happy ending to his story with us. Surely he doesn't have the 3rd leg to be injured!? He's never too fast so I hope he can come back strong too.
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Guys wanna confirm tonite 8 30 right?
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QUOTE(genjo @ Jul 22 2017, 05:42 PM)
Guys wanna confirm tonite 8 30 right?
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yupe. u r correct

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post Jul 22 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Jul 22 2017, 01:48 PM)
Ok, I forgot about his release clause the next summer. Then the case is pretty clear, RBL dont give shit about the money, they would rather lose him cheaper the next summer instead of accepting higher offer now. Unless we offer them a deal good enough to offset any loss of potential commercial exposure, then the deal is a non-starter now.
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Exactly the case here. RBL is just an elaborate marketing scheme. They want the Red Bull name to be out there. Their money making is from their Red Bull products, they don't give a shit about their sports teams not making profit. And having a really good player like Keita will only help them make an impact in their maiden CL campaign. Besides, Keita is not the only one wanting out, Forsberg is said want to move to AC Milan too. Selling any of their star at this point sends the wrong signal and might open the floodgates for their star players.

I don't think it's impossible to persuade them to sell, all that matters is the price, every player has a price on his head. Can you imagine Barca/Madrid rejecting a BILLION dollar bid for Messi/Ronaldo? Surely not, all depends on who's willing to pay that money. For Leipzig, not selling Keita to us this summer for an extra 20-30M might look like a lost on paper, but doing well in the CL campaign and solidifying their place as one of Bundesliga's top teams might be worth more than 30M to them, it's now up to us to see if we are willing to pay past that value.

QUOTE(Lionel90 @ Jul 22 2017, 01:48 PM)
Besides, really curious about your stance - do we sign him at all cost this summer because it's hard to see him choosing from all the suitors he would potentially attract?
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That's exactly why FSG/Klopp are willing to go so big on him like never before. Because they know if we don't get him now we probably never will. This is happened before just last summer too. Remember Dahoud? We weren't able to get him because Arsenal had just signed Xhaka and Monchengladbach are unwilling to sell both their midfielders in the same window. With all eyes on Dahoud's impressive performances at such a young age, it's only a matter of time before a more attractive club than us came in for him, and Dortmund did.

I seriously doubt Keita will pick us over bigger clubs next summer but I sure hope I'm wrong.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jul 22 2017, 05:11 PM)
for me i rather the money go towards a confirmed min 20-goal striker that can fit klopp's system...and isnt on first name basis with doctors.
sure we got others who can contribute 15 goals each etc... but their conversion rates aren't great compared to a proper striker...
and especially if against buses... have to make them count.
Ings is actually a good fit... but everyone probably doesn't expect him to complete half the season.
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I think Timo Werner is a good shout. Young, explosive, high work rate, scores goals, plays in a similar system, German. But again, it's Leipzig.
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post Jul 22 2017, 08:43 PM

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Haha same old same old
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post Jul 22 2017, 08:47 PM

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Shietttttt kariuss not improving at all
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post Jul 22 2017, 08:48 PM

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post Jul 22 2017, 08:50 PM

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Damnnn sick goal by Mo salah

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Wow nice goal from salah
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We want more mo mo mo

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