Use the filter.... there is no pet sub forum in garage sales.

Maybe Chika knows Aiko is younger, so he bully lah hahah... take advantage of a joey LOL.

How are they taking to the glider food? Anyway, you really need to bond properly with them. With 2, you may have difficulty bonding with them if they are always in the cage. A joey must go through pouch bonding, getting used to the owner's smell, movement, touch and voice. I think i told your bf about bringing it everywhere you go....

Well, that is the best way. Hang a pouch around your neck everyday, the best is everywhere you go, this speeds up bonding.... if they are always in a cage away from you, they won't recognize you as a friend but just a caregiver....

Hahah... inside shirt is faster. Like my Kiah Well, I think Luna is scent marking.... you know what Kiah would do when I put her on other people? She will run up their arm, goes to their head, and starts grooming and rubbing her head against their head hahaha.... it's really funny...

Maybe females got different way of scent marking hahha.... but sometimes Kiah does that to me... She will climb on me, then go to my tummy area or behind my ear and rub rub her head.... feels like cat hahah.

Aiyoh.... i can't join your COD gathering.... sob.... got dinner with some of my friends from 6pm at KLCC..

Anyway, last night Kiah was funny.... she didn't act like her active self but kept sitting on my shoulder and behind my neck.... and she kept rubbing her head behind my head and behind my ear... LOL.... feels like a cat.

Wah, they look good hahaha.... where did you get a scale like that? I want one too heheheh.

Sugar gliders are not meant for children.... maybe older children that would take responsibility seriously but never when younger. They may look cute and entertaining but gliders can live for 15 years, so a person getting gliders must be sure he or she can take care of it for 15 years...

OMG... turtle food? Who told you to feed turtle food? Why you never read the 1st page?

Turtle food should never be given to gliders. That is like asking a human to eat dogfood.... Same parents and the joeys are different sex? Your friend is so so so wrong.

OK, I put it this way.... humans and gliders are so different in thinking. If I put you in a room with your brother or sister, live till mature, you won't have any sexual feelings rite? Coz its your sibling, and you understand that siblings cannot marry or have kids together. But how about a sugar glider? If it has a smart brain like us, we won't be taking sugar gliders as pets, they may end up ruling the earth like humans.... Animals have no sense of brother or sister. To them it is male and female and male and female means can breed. So you want your gliders to give birth and have babies? And they can be genetic problems in the babies, means more suffering.... didn't your friend tell you that?

Gliders should never be alone but they should never be siblings if they are different sex. Go sell off one and get another same sex one from a seller in LYN or some place else. Think about the future, not the present.

Also, having 1 pair at the same time will make bonding a lot of work. Later you will think why our gliders can be so tame and close to us while yours do not. The best is getting 1 by 1... get 1 joey first, bond with it and 3 months later get another joey and bond with this 2nd joey like the first. After about 2 months of proper bonding with the 2nd joey, intro them together so that they can bond with each other. They will still want to be together with their same species but when you bond them 1 by 1, they will see you more as a playmate and friend rather than food provider.... this is a reason why many people get tired of having sugar gliders and sell them off when they see no bonding process with them.

Do more research.... sugar gliders are exotics, they need really proper care and housing.... they cannot be neglected for long periods. They need the right diet to avoid sickness and disease. You also must know that there are only 1 or 2 vets in KL that knows how to treat gliders but not every treatment can be successful since sugar gliders are new and the vets here have never been properly trained to treat exotic pets.

Hahah... sometimes I malas to type, especially now I can only see with 1 eye... but then if don't say something, pity the gliders.

Good info KP

I think Shurie may need more time. Just keep on doing that to the mealworms, squeezing their guts out.... later you try with crickets, squeeze out the juices for your Shurie hahaha.

My eye became worst hahaha.... no car to go eye specialist.... but I'm applying antibiotic ointment into my eye.... now if you see my face, like someone tumbuk my left eye.... swollen and red, can't really open ahahaha.... so I'm basically seeing with my right eye only. The pain makes me sleep, so I have been sleeping whole day. Kesian my Kiah, haven't been playing with her much coz of my eye infection.

Kiah ah, once awhile likes mealworms but she still favours crickets. Last time when I intro mealworms to her, it was very susah also. She don't really like the juice of the mealworm, lick then shake her head and move away.

Heheh... eye getting better. I guess it may be the movie too since I just watched Pirates of the Carribean hehehe...

Yah, next week should be no problem.... Sunday lah....

Oh yes, Kiah does the 2 different hissings.... hahaha.... always calling me when she just woke up from her beauty sleep in her cage.

Sigh, I belum here clicking....

Well, if we have 1 male and 1 female, you must be certain that you can house the offspring or give them to responsible people. I know it is natural but still, have you thought of what would happen if the joey lands into the wrong hands? For us that have male and female pair, we are constantly worrying about what would happen in the future. Anyway, they do not have periods like female dogs. They give birth twice a year, sometimes the occasional 3 births. Each birth can have 2 joeys....

If you get 1 male and 2 females... can you imagine what would happen? Double the offspring.... why wanna double the offspring? Sell off to earn some money? Well, selling the joeys away in order to keep the number of gliders at bay is ok but 2 females to 1 male, just ain't right unless the male is neutered but too bad Malaysia still have no vets that can neuter gliders. This is why we strongly suggest if possible, get female pairs... Not every male can get along with another male when there is a female with them. So if you want males, then only keep males and make sure no female glider is about coz they can fight till injured.

If you feel geli about mealworms and crickets, then better not keep. They are insectivores in the wild, naturally their diet should have about 25% to 50% insects. There are no alternatives unless you import from overseas the dried mealworms and dried crickets but plus shipment and tax, it would cost you a bomb when about a handful of live mealworms only Rm1 and 30 rickets is Rm1 as well.

The powder and wet wipes can be used when the glider is dirty or smelly. It doesn't really matter how many times a day coz it is a dry bath for them, won't harm their health.

A healthy joey should be active and crab a bit at sudden movements. It should have bright eyes, clean fur and a fuzzy tail. There should be no stickiness on the fur. A healthy joey is always alert and reacts fast. An unhealthy one would have a lazy look, dirty or messy fur, a not so fuzzy tail, not alert.

To bond, the joey must always be with you. There are people who complain why their gliders don't stick to them is because they didn't bond well. When they get them as joeys, they never do pouch bonding, more like keep joey in cage and only play and feed it at night.... This sort of keeping will result in a glider that will see you more as food provider and the glider will be friendly too, but never as close to how a bonded glider is. My glider is bonded, she climbs on me, knows her name, trust me to do anything to her and she never crabs. If I bring her out, she will not jump away from me but stay close to me. Since she trust humans, she doesn't mind most people and will climb or sit on their shoulder.

Well, when mine was a joey, can say about 12 hours my glider is on me. Coz when joey, it is a critical age where it needs companionship. Some people may say get 2 at once but this makes the bonding longer and more work in a way.... the best is get them about 3 months apart. Bond 1 joey and later in 3 months time, get another and bond with it for 3 months too. Then intro and you can let them be companions. Now my glider is 1 year, so my time with her is less coz she is fully bonded and independent already. Now I let her sleep in her cage or in my room during the day, but late at night and early in the mornings I play with her and feed her. Sometimes she likes to take naps inside my shirt and I can just carry her about in my shirt or on my collar anywhere at home. I used to bring to college when she was younger. Tame joeys rarely make noise and if it does make noise, can always bluff your way and say "oops, sorry, handphone.." Hahaha....

I think some of the members here bring their gliders to work. As long your pet don't make alot of noise or distract you then I think no problem to curi curi bring.

My glider sometimes jumps to my friends who are next to me... or tries to climb down my arm to a table or chair... but this thing you can detect fast so normally I'll grab her before she jumps away. Rarely a sugar glider strays unless too excited. There is a way to make a safety leash for sugar gliders but I think there is no need for that. As long you have a pouch at hand, if the glider is too active in a public place, just put it back into the pouch. I normally go to petshops with my glider on my shoulder, sometimes inside my shirt.... so far she has not tried to jump off me when I am at petshops..

Well, joeys should be given frequent meals.... 3 to 4 meals. This is for young joeys... later on when adult, 2 meals a day is enough. One meal at nigh and one in the morning. For me, I prefer to give my glider mix at night, then in the morning it's fruits. I give crickets and mealworms at night as well.

My glider is awake usually at around 12am, I stay up to 2am to play with her, then while I sleep, she roams about my room. I don't really recommend free ranging in rooms unless the glider is bonded and the room is safe. She will on and off kacau me while sleeping. In the morning around 6am she is active again so I play with her a bit then I sleep back.... Sometimes when she is awake at 8am I will spend some time with her, normally about 1 hour too.

The cage has to be indoors.... no outdoors for these animals. The cage should be the biggest you can find. I think the best cage is a 3ft to 4ft tall cage. If you make it yourself, you can custom the size coz petshop cages are small.

Well, it is good to ask first before getting. Some people here ask after they get and panic when something wrong happens... so better ask all you can first to build your knowledge.

Your room should not have any openings or holes... it is too risky. Gliders are curious, they will want to explore every corner of the room and every opening. So better you get some wire or PVC mesh and cover up those openings. The thing is, gliders are so curious and active that they can escape or get into trouble without us knowing.... glider proof a room is easy. Just block all the openings and holes, make sure the wires are safely tied neatly. Make sure no poison or anything that can be poisonous is lying around.

Not everyone let their gliders roam freely.... I just said mine coz I trained her that way. She pees and poos where she likes but normally is on the floor or my table, not my bed. The pee and poo is easy to clean. Females generally have no to little smell.... Males.... hahaha... the whole air would smell. So this is why we said better females. My glider is trained since young to roam my room, she knows how to avoid me when I roll in bed but I don't do it since I also sleep with my dog.

Play with your glider at around 10pm like that. Feed and handle... at 1st the joey may not be used to it but later will be get accustom to your routine. As long you play with them at night, then it is ok. Better not disturb them around day time. You cannot pouch a glider next to you in bed. Coz at night, especially late like 3am or 4am, some gliders can become active, a pouch during their active period can feel like jail... unless you have studied the glider's sleeping time then you can lah. Coz gliders enjoy sleeping in pouches. Each glider have their own likings, personality and routine, so you must learn to understand it. OH yah, gliders do not like to pee and poo inside the pouch unless they have no choice. If they do pee and poo inside, they will smell really bad like the pee.

If your work place is strict, better not bring lah. Maybe some working people can give you some pointers later.

Air cond is fine if it is not below 24C..... gliders don't like cold. Joeys hate cold so when it is joey that time, should not be in air cond that is too cold. When my glider was young, I on heat lamp for her at night.

You should clean the tray of the cage everyday. I use newspaper, some use other types of bedding/substrate. Newspaper, you can clean everyday, economical but it won't absorb smell. You can use Woody Pet to absorb the pee and smell.

Not all dogs are friendly to animals. Terriers, if your terrier chases small animals like rats and mice, then a glider is a no no. I have trained my CKCS to like small animals since she was a pup so she is quite best friends with my glider.

7 weeks old? No no.... too young and I don't think they are 7 weeks old also since I saw the joeys before, looks younger and are 100% scared of humans.... take your time to look around. It is best to get 8 weeks old and above.... the older they are, the less work for you. A 10 week old is good too. 6 or 7 weeks old, need a lot of care like a human baby.... some may need milk too. A lot of sellers now are selling gliders below 7 weeks old. Really risky coz some may have low immune system, can die easily. Alot are suppliers... something like glider farm... you know, similar to puppy mills lah... so the breeders don't really handle the joeys till wanna sell that time. This is why many joeys come out to be a bit wild and need about 2 days to a week to earn their trust and to calm down.

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Added on June 10, 2007, 12:55 amYah... I feel taking care of glider is like taking care of a baby when they are joeys... and when they are adult, is like taking care of a 2 year old kid hahahah.... Different from dogs, even my dogs are not as demanding in care as my Kiah hehehe.

Flaming is a way to learn. Some people see it in negative way but if see positively, it is a way to learn from mistake, get more knowledge and motivation to do better next time hahahah. Unless it is flaming with personal issues, then that is only for the blood to boil more and more heheheh...

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Jun 10 2007, 12:55 AM

I think it depends... maybe the adults give out more smell... Your Chika still young mah.... or maybe your nose get used to the smell heheheh.

Admin? He is not Admin in LYN... just a member with that customize it only. He is not getting flamed coz he is asking before getting and also asking in the correct way. Those are flamed are the ones who never research but buy a glider straight away on impulse and later seek help coz something bad happened or something is wrong....

Flexarium is like the netting cage. Not all gliders can stay in Flexariums. Some gliders are chewers and will chew holes to escape... I think the best is a cage unless you get a flexarium when the glider is young and let it get used to it. The thing a flexarium lacks is proper bars like a cage to hold stuff. So you will need to get hooks or rings to hang stuff.

What you should do is get the supplies first, slowly.... Purchase the cage, about RM100 to Rm200.... then get the accessories like vines, toys, pouch, maybe about RM100(just set aside first) bowls maybe a few ringgit only. Food, you can make your own glider mix or can get from me... then plus fruits and insects, monthly you will be spending about Rm20 to Rm25 for a glider.... if you make your own mix, you must get calcium and vitamin powder, about RM28 to Rm50 each but they can last for a year or 2.... but if you do not finish before the expiry date then its a waste.

Should never give catfood or dogfood.... turtlefood is worst. Gliders are sap and fruit eaters, not chewers like hamsters. See the 1st page for the list of foods that they can eat. Basically, everything is in the 1st page lah.

If no choice, then get a pair at once but this means you must spend more time bonding and taming. Since you are home around 5pm, you can quickly take them out and carry them in the pouch till they are active at night and fully awake.

Fleece is a kind of cloth... mesh is well, mesh hahahah...

Hmm... I'll be going to Ikano on Tuesday, so I will check out this new food. The usual one they sell was a low quality brand that smells horrible and it was non-halal too. Anyway, I will check out the ingredients and update you guys with more info about it.

Take your time to shop for the cage.... about the malnutrition thing, this will happen to Pet Safari's way of housing gliders.... not our way. Gliders need the biggest cage you can afford. Feeding, you should not just dump the food there and expect the glider to eat later. Feeding should be done with you around. That's als a good way to bond. Also, you must feed the joey carefully, normally I advice people to take the joey out and handfeed it or syringe feed it on a table or something. This creates a stronger bond as well....

Also, I think KP went to Ikano on Saturday, the joey is not 2 months old, is younger than that coz very small. The staff would say 2 months old coz all websites mentioned that the best age is 2 months old... sometimes I really do not trust the staff there coz I have seen the food given to the gliders... not really appropriate. Many buyers there listen to them and tend to get the wrong cages and also wrong food....

Actually, each glider is different. Some males bond well while some females are better... but some females are just slow at bonding.... so it depends on individual gliders.

Gliders got no way to potty train. If say in a cage, they will have a particular spot to pee and poo but if they are outside the cage, then it is anywhere for them since in the wild, they poo while they roam.

Erm, poo not that hard to clean. My floor is wood as well.

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Added on June 10, 2007, 9:37 pmHello and welcome,

Your glider is new. You see, it has no other companion but you and he enjoys closeness. So Wasabi likes the attention you are giving him. He feels secured in your hands. This is normal lah for some gliders.

No, don't let him nibble coz it will become a habit and as he grow bigger, he may accidentally hurt you. In the wild, gliders naturally gnaw and chew on tree bark and also branches to get to the sap. They also like to nibble their favourite branches and trees... so can say, something like affection but then you should not make it a habit lah coz you are not a tree.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Jun 10 2007, 09:37 PM

The better option is the wide one.

Anyway, a joey will spend most of its day sleeping, depending on you for food. I have already mentioned how to make sure a joey eats. Also, you don't have to place the food at the bottom of the cage. I feed mine with hanging cups.

It really depends on how dedicated you are. As said before, the staff at Pet Safari got limited knowledge on gliders.... they can give you only basic knowledge that they have been briefed for the sales.... To me, the best starter cage would be the Rm100 cage that coldfusionpower posted. I have 2 cages now... 1 is that and the other is the 100gallon flexarium I got from cfp too.... this is coz I will be getting a 2nd glider soon.

Joeys are like babies.... they really need constant care and attention just like real human babies and they learn about the same way. Every time you wanna feed, bring the joey to the spot you want it to eat. In time, it will learn and eat from there. I think most people know that my glider had no cage for 1 year.... as a joey, she lived in my room in a pouch and my jeans pocket, roaming as free as she pleases. As a joey, she already know my table is feeding area.... during the night she will go towards my table to eat what I left out for her. I guess it is how you train it lah.

HAhah... ok, pee on me mostly LOL.

Yah, you can do that.

About the bonding... Shurie will get a bit uneasy when you leave her alone... but she will learn that sleep in the day time is ok. Just spend more time with her when she is awake. Anyway, once Shadow is bonded to you, then you can intro Shurie to Shadow, so both also can be in the same pouch and be on you at the same time hahha.