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wongtheboy92
post Aug 17 2021, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(jett138 @ Aug 17 2021, 01:35 AM)
Check your settings again, it would seems like they dont recognize you.
Slush, nicehash, poolin, hiveos, antpool, pick any that you have control over with or you are familiar with the payout. For me not much difference between pools.
Possible, one gpu / 2 gpu rig, if you already have existing mobo, 7k can buy 3 more gpu.
provided you can find the gpu you want. now no stock again. you still make the same with eip1559, so miners continue to build rig + current chipshortage situation.
I heard they place less order on July due to fear, because a lot of FUD of mining crashing, eip1559 etc. therefore a window of cheap gpu available in early July, market has no stock even you got money to buy.
allocation also not like you order bulk can get your stock, scalper cannot give you 8/ 6 gpu of the same variant. people who hope to buy at msrp will rant more, but they can actually buy scalper and miner back to msrp or roi when not using...
Asic manufacturers are banking POS will be delayed again, hoping to sell their ethash machines. scrypt all sold out, ethash able to score on high risk. i dont see the logic if i cannot continue to make another 100% gain.
Btw, continue to build rigs to pass time since shops are not opening anytime soon and dine in also.
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ya...oh ya, is rx580 a good keeper after eth goes pos? seems like it is not that efficient on other algos like nvidia does.
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post Aug 18 2021, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(wongtheboy92 @ Aug 17 2021, 04:14 AM)
ya...oh ya, is rx580 a good keeper after eth goes pos? seems like it is not that efficient on other algos like nvidia does.
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Keep when you cannot afford to upgrade with your earnings, dispose when your earnings can allow you to upgrade with profit. As about when to liquidate, you gauge yourself. mining is serious business.
As you grow you need space, efficiency, thermals and electricity quota.

GPU will be expensive regardless, main consumption of gpu was never china. heck we have news children mining eth making 32k usd/mo. imagine how many gpu they will buy with their earnings every month.
And asics once they are big enough.
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post Aug 19 2021, 08:49 AM

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/...cted-countries/

china electricity at usd 0.09/ kwh
malaysia electricity at usd 0.06/ kwh

can someone correct me here?
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post Aug 19 2021, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 19 2021, 08:49 AM)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/...cted-countries/

china electricity at usd 0.09/ kwh
malaysia electricity at usd 0.06/ kwh

can someone correct me here?
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Our tariff is tier based. That site only used the cheapest starting tier. Here is the full tariff from TNB.

Tariff A - Domestic Tariff
For the first 200 kWh (1 - 200 kWh) per month sen/kWh 21.80
For the next 100 kWh (201 - 300 kWh) per month sen/kWh 33.40
For the next 300 kWh (301 - 600 kWh) per month sen/kWh 51.60
For the next 300 kWh (601 - 900 kWh) per month sen/kWh 54.60
For the next kWh (901 kWh onwards) per month sen/kWh 57.10
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post Aug 19 2021, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Aug 19 2021, 09:05 AM)
Our tariff is tier based. That site only used the cheapest starting tier. Here is the full tariff from TNB.

Tariff A - Domestic Tariff
For the first 200 kWh (1 - 200 kWh) per month sen/kWh 21.80
For the next 100 kWh (201 - 300 kWh) per month sen/kWh 33.40
For the next 300 kWh (301 - 600 kWh) per month sen/kWh 51.60
For the next 300 kWh (601 - 900 kWh) per month sen/kWh 54.60
For the next kWh (901 kWh onwards) per month sen/kWh 57.10
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thanks, now I get the picture.
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post Aug 19 2021, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 19 2021, 09:49 AM)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/...cted-countries/

china electricity at usd 0.09/ kwh
malaysia electricity at usd 0.06/ kwh

can someone correct me here?
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For china you need to be specific, which city as all different rates.
attached is 2 beijing and tian jing.

and yes still cheaper than malaysia.
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post Aug 19 2021, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(jett138 @ Aug 19 2021, 03:35 PM)
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For china you need to be specific, which city as all different rates.
attached is 2 beijing and tian jing.

and yes still cheaper than malaysia.
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That's very detailed.

Thanks
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post Aug 19 2021, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ Aug 19 2021, 09:05 AM)
Our tariff is tier based. That site only used the cheapest starting tier. Here is the full tariff from TNB.

Tariff A - Domestic Tariff
For the first 200 kWh (1 - 200 kWh) per month sen/kWh 21.80
For the next 100 kWh (201 - 300 kWh) per month sen/kWh 33.40
For the next 300 kWh (301 - 600 kWh) per month sen/kWh 51.60
For the next 300 kWh (601 - 900 kWh) per month sen/kWh 54.60
For the next kWh (901 kWh onwards) per month sen/kWh 57.10
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RM 0.218 /kWh? or 22 sen per kwh? Compare to USA 10 cents per kWh. Until we hit 301kWH We are cheaper than USA? Am i correct?

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post Aug 19 2021, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Aug 19 2021, 04:25 PM)
RM 0.218 /kWh? or 22 sen per kwh? Compare to USA 10 cents per kWh. Until we hit 301kWH We are cheaper than USA? Am i correct?
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Even malaysia tariff is more cheaper, but due to hot weather, i believe it will cost more here that US
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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Aug 19 2021, 04:25 PM)
RM 0.218 /kWh? or 22 sen per kwh? Compare to USA 10 cents per kWh. Until we hit 301kWH We are cheaper than USA? Am i correct?
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21.8 sen = RM0.218 but first 300kwH easily fully utilised by household with any form of air conditioning.
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can someone help me clarify profit earning...i see huge discrepancy in two different website. take for example antminer s19 pro.

in asics value, it says to make around usd 30/ day.
in hashrate profitability, it says to make around usd 0.30/day.

that's like 100x difference. did I read something wrong or can someone please guide me which is more reliable.

thanks.
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post Aug 21 2021, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(gashout @ Aug 21 2021, 09:17 AM)
can someone help me clarify profit earning...i see huge discrepancy in two different website. take for example antminer s19 pro.

in asics value, it says to make around usd 30/ day.
in hashrate profitability, it says to make around usd 0.30/day.

that's like 100x difference. did I read something wrong or can someone please guide me which is more reliable.

thanks.
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please double check on hashrate input is indeed 110th/s and the electricity is 3250w.
am getting about 35usd inclusive of tnb costs. different firmware, different settings and temperature will yield differently. Just buy in and start mining, you will get a clearer picture.
If buying used, your hashrate should be around 90 - 95th/s running on 3250w or more depending on the psu condition and hash board condition. its fun to play with, get them under oil or a custom hydro block for optimal performance. rarely you will want to sell them, most likely will mine until its too costly to repair them or ran out of spare parts.

If you want to get into asics, its better to get scrypt now. faster ROI.
alternately can consider ethash asics, its good money there compared to gpu mining.
Sha256 mining is there to cover some expenses, need more money to stay afloat.
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QUOTE(jett138 @ Aug 21 2021, 08:20 PM)
please double check on hashrate input is indeed 110th/s and the electricity is 3250w.
am getting about 35usd inclusive of tnb costs. different firmware, different settings and temperature will yield differently. Just buy in and start mining, you will get a clearer picture.
If buying used, your hashrate should be around 90 - 95th/s running on 3250w or more depending on the psu condition and hash board condition. its fun to play with, get them under oil or a custom hydro block for optimal performance. rarely you will want to sell them, most likely will mine until its too costly to repair them or ran out of spare parts.

If you want to get into asics, its better to get scrypt now. faster ROI.
alternately can consider ethash asics, its good money there compared to gpu mining.
Sha256 mining is there to cover some expenses, need more money to stay afloat.
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Understand. Thanks for the explanation smile.gif
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post Aug 23 2021, 01:16 PM

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I have few things to ask & share:_

Bad News
1. My kandang is not stable, and the bloody anjing work overtime to reboot all the binatang to masuk kandang. Now offline until i couldnt reboot remotely (im at the office right now)

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Any advice?

2. I smelled something burning when i reached home on friday, sniff sniff like bloody anjing and couldn't find, till saturday morning 3 AM the smell getting stronger with my anjing nose. The source was the socket and plug pin to the kandang, lucky didnt burn the whole house.

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Any Advice?


Good news

3. I found out yesterday by accident that my dead ayamd RX580 8Gb, has been given another chance to live again just by reflashing HiveOS. So i can conclude after so many reboot by the anjing (watchdog) the OS could get corrupted. You can try, perhaps your dead farm animals that you thought long dead actually working.

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Now hashing 32-ish MHs

4. I think good kandang must have good mother (mobo) compare to the tiny NUC10 mobo with franskenstein connection (M.2 - PCIE with 2 GPUs - riser & Thunderbolt another GPU) that's why not stable. I'm planning to replace all that with the riserless 8GPU Mobo from saupeee. What do you think?
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This green PCB type claims that it has good spacing in between slots (6.5cm) unlike the black one. Anyone use it before?

5. I wonder if the abovementioned mobo able to hash the nerfed 3060 fully, since the card needs gen 3 PCIE, full 16X lane, dummy hdmi and windows to run Nvidia developer driver 470.05 , so if i were to mine using the above mobo, HiveOS is not an option even with the NBminer 70% hashing the LHR card (BTW already tried the 3060 on NBminer - hash rate 25Mhs only not 70% as claimed, dunno abt other LHR cards)

Currently my 3060 has special treatment inside kapal angkasa Aurora r12 hashing 50-ish Mhs with all the aformentioned requirement fullfilled.
The hashrate drops 30-40% when i started play games. See (NSFW) below:-



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post Aug 24 2021, 11:48 AM

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Hashing all night then when im in the office, the whole kandang down, binatang ternakan tak kerja and the hanjing tak jaga.

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Try reboot remotely nothing happen. How to make decent income like this?

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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Aug 23 2021, 02:16 PM)
I have few things to ask & share:_

Bad News
1. My kandang is not stable, and the bloody anjing work overtime to reboot all the binatang to masuk kandang. Now offline until i couldnt reboot remotely (im at the office right now)

user posted image
Any advice?

2. I smelled something burning when i reached home on friday, sniff sniff like bloody anjing and couldn't find, till saturday morning 3 AM the smell getting stronger with my anjing nose. The source was the socket and plug pin to the kandang, lucky didnt burn the whole house.

user posted image
Any Advice?
Good news

3. I found out yesterday by accident that my dead ayamd RX580 8Gb, has been given another chance to live again just by reflashing HiveOS. So i can conclude after so many reboot by the anjing (watchdog) the OS could get corrupted. You can try, perhaps your dead farm animals that you thought long dead actually working.

user posted imageuser posted image
Now hashing 32-ish MHs

4. I think good kandang must have good mother (mobo) compare to the tiny NUC10 mobo with franskenstein connection (M.2 - PCIE with 2 GPUs - riser & Thunderbolt another GPU) that's why not stable. I'm planning to replace all that with the riserless 8GPU Mobo from saupeee. What do you think?
user posted image
This green PCB type claims that it has good spacing in between slots (6.5cm) unlike the black one. Anyone use it before?

5. I wonder if the abovementioned mobo able to hash the nerfed 3060 fully, since the card needs gen 3 PCIE, full 16X lane, dummy hdmi and windows to run Nvidia developer driver 470.05 , so if i were to mine using the above mobo, HiveOS is not an option even with the NBminer 70% hashing the LHR card (BTW already tried the 3060 on NBminer - hash rate 25Mhs only not 70% as claimed, dunno abt other LHR cards)

Currently my 3060 has special treatment inside kapal angkasa Aurora r12 hashing 50-ish Mhs with all the aformentioned requirement fullfilled.
The hashrate drops 30-40% when i started play games. See (NSFW) below:-


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1. separate nvidia and amd cards. amd cards will cause this to happen from time to time. since you have an R12 and the nuc, why not separate team red and team green ? r12 can use a riser for the 3080.
add another safety measure, use a wifi plug. so you can remotely switch off the electricity and reboot your pc. use a different type of controller if you want to also. i usually do this just incase software froze. i am using a wifi controlled circuit breaker now on all my farms, it comes with very accurate energy monitoring as well. <-- this is optional

2. Get an electrician and check on the load, or use an amp meter to check yourself and rebalance the db if required.

3. your dead amd is due to firmware bricking ? if yes hive can save you. i bricked a lot of 5600xt and saved again by hiveos, or the difficult way is to run on an integrated gpu and reflash the firmware yourself. more steps compared to hiveos.

4. Can try to use and see if you like it or not, personally are not using them anymore because no resell value and difficult to repurpose to do other things. Yes a good/compatible mother board is recommended is due to the bios stability and lanes support available. this uses a server psu, expect loud noises. hiveos works well. they used to sell in a bundle all in one with casing and comes with hiveos usb plugged in for you, just switch on configure, mine and forget about it.

5. can, a lot of chinese farms used this to host their 3060 lhr. they mined alts more than eth using 3060 because of profitability. hashrate drop while playing game is normal, either you choose to play games or to mine. playing games while mining will causes additional stress to your gpu. i used to turn off mining when playing games, got myself another pc for normal usage.
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post Aug 25 2021, 01:55 PM

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Mining pools stealing ETH from miners

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Claim : https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/commen...ning_pools_are/

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(Important) Gang of Thieves – How Mining Pools Are Stealing 100s of Millions from ETH Miners
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Before MEV income was shared with Miners it was kept 100% by mining pools. This reduced Miners block rewards while enriching the pool owners directly. Most large Chinese mining pools along with 2miners and EZIL actively defrauded their miners, making many millions in secret.

This secret income was revealed by Micah, likely on behalf of the ETH Developers who were unhappy at seeing most mining pools stealing their miners incomes and funneling it into their own pockets. Most pools used a MEV company to do this, the most famous one being Archer DAO who supplied MEV income that was even lower than the gas that would have been on the block, causing a net loss overall but a net gain to the mining pools that usually only receive 1%.

Archer DAO not only provided MEV, it allowed people to send ETH transactions at below gas cost, allowing pools to cheat their miners by hiding free transactions they are selling privately to others in their “1 GWEI” payouts. Most pools that were secretly defrauding their miners have now announced they are sharing MEV income. Most of them are lying about what percentage they share.

A new scam has appeared that allows pools to advertise sharing MEV income, while secretly making a ton on the side. This is through a new token from Archer DAO called “EDEN”. Normally the top slots in blocks are sold either as MEV or for high tips. What EDEN does is it requires pools to reserve these slots for EDEN. EDEN doesn’t pay tips or MEV ETH for these slots (ETH that will go to miners), instead it pays its own “EDEN” token directly to a private hidden wallet owned by these pools.

EDEN advertises that during the first 7 days it will pay 6,378,243 EDEN tokens to mining pools (Block Producers) per their white paper. https://edennetwork.io/EDEN_Network___White...r___2021_07.pdf

EDEN’s price varies but it’s currently priced at 3.60$ which works out to 22,961,674.80$ paid out to your mining pools secret wallets in just 7 days. A reminder that this is generally not extra income; this is space on your pool’s blocks that would normally pay you ETH through MEV and tips. Instead your pool collects 0 ETH for these and sells the space to EDEN. These pools steal ETH that goes to their miners turning it into EDEN for themselves. You can see pools claiming their EDEN rewards here https://etherscan.io/address/0x2ae0f9249834...c98142dcf62f774

You’ll notice that most of them make sure to keep everything anonymous. However, there are some mistakes they make. HiveON Pool transferred 0.4 ETH in https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xd474d21d58caca...e62044249dc&p=2 for gas for the contract. They have swapped EDEN for ETH and are sitting on a cool 1300 ETH (4.1$ Million) here in their private wallet https://etherscan.io/address/0xd0fac1e4013a...fc6604d05b848db

Nanopool has been obvious about it having transferred the ETH into their pool. That may indicate they are distributing the ETH they made from selling EDEN and if so then they appear to be the only pool doing so. https://etherscan.io/address/0x9c90bc6d0dd0...79037b50b36840b

Cruxpool is depositing it all into Binance. https://etherscan.io/address/0x0400dff7f40f...bb82104a788c979

Other big pools are cheating their miners through EDEN but they’ve hidden themselves well on EtherScan. The obvious ones on EDEN are Sparkpool, 2Miners, F2pool, Ezil and Chinese pools.

Pools that are well known for scamming were forced to start sharing their secret MEV income. The best part is most of these pools advertise no fee on MEV when their actually making 100% and reducing their miners tips. Most pool comparisons will show these pools paying 20% less than the top pools due to their dishonesty and theft.

Many will refuse to believe that their pools have been stealing from them for years to enrich themselves. Please do your own research and trust EtherScan. On ETH everything happens on chain. My single reddit post will get buried so please spread the word and don’t let these scammers who have stolen 100’s of millions from us get away.

EZIL demanded evidence and they’ve done a good job hiding it, evidence is below and can be found by a simple google search:

Eden Network has partnered with 2Miners and Ezil.

ArcherDAO partnered with several smaller pools (2miners, Ezil, etc) to build and run in-house bots for them, splitting the profits 50/50.

https://m.theblockbeats.com/en/news/25775

https://dyor-crypto.fandom.com/wiki/Miner_E...ble_Value_(MEV)

EZIL robbed their miners blind and should be ashamed. They make good money yet their dirty grubby hands have been greedy for more. They deserve to be locked in jail as the crooks they are.

To add more evidence https://app.edennetwork.io/fountain says the 7th block producer has produced 48 blocks in the past 14 hours while ezil if you count uncles has produced 48 blocks in the past 14 hours.


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post Aug 25 2021, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(sonypshomer @ Aug 25 2021, 01:55 PM)
Mining pools stealing ETH from miners

Sparkpool
2Miners
F2Pool
Ezil Pool

Claim : https://www.reddit.com/r/EtherMining/commen...ning_pools_are/
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does this limited to eth mining with those pools only? or does it is also possible for other coin mining? hmm.gif
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does this limited to eth mining with those pools only? or does it is also possible for other coin mining? hmm.gif
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Any coins and any pools will have this as long as its possible for empty blocks happening. It's a type of business model for operating mining pools btw. Where got free lunch like 0% fees, money has to come somewhere.

Software take a cut, pools take a cut. As long as it's still profitable for all the game will continue. They will keep you alive so they can continue to leech.

Miner still take home the most btw.

It's just how finance works.
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post Aug 26 2021, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(jett138 @ Aug 25 2021, 09:30 PM)
Any coins and any pools will have this as long as its possible for empty blocks happening. It's a type of business model for operating mining pools btw. Where got free lunch like 0% fees, money has to come somewhere.

Software take a cut, pools take a cut. As long as it's still profitable for all the game will continue. They will keep you alive so they can continue to leech.

Miner still take home the most btw.

It's just how finance works.
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yeah a cut here, a cut there, at the end miner still bringing home the most, collectively
but the honesty or transparency of the pool operator is very important as well, how many miners actually go back to deep analyze their numbers? most just care about their profits only
that's why it's so easy for some shoddy operator to steal a 0.001% from each miners and those 0.001% can be easily covered as variation

I never trust those with 0 fees, how to sustain your pool without any cuts? doesn't make sense at all laugh.gif



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