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post Mar 27 2007, 11:58 AM, updated 19y ago

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Hey guys,

check this out!!! biggrin.gif

http://www.guru3d.com/article/article/422/7/

i remember @last years CeBIT, Enermax had a display on its Galaxy PSU powering 4 full specs rigs simultaneously~!!! drool.gif

The Enermax STRIKES again this yr~ thumbup.gif


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post Mar 27 2007, 12:57 PM

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OMG!!! drool.gif
Enermax Galaxy 1000W powering quad procs, 4 stick of RAMs , 24 HDDs n other peripherals such as fans notworthy.gif
This is d most power consuming rig I ever seen... sweat.gif
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post Mar 27 2007, 01:09 PM

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Oh gosh.. think of the trees and the furry lil animals that'll be affected if everybody starts building quad SLI rigs.
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post Mar 27 2007, 02:37 PM

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Why do we even need quad SLI anyway. It' s not that playing games on 30" display 200fps is gonna make you more 1337 or godlike anyway
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post Mar 27 2007, 03:04 PM

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does this proofs that a 'normal' rig with one processor, two sticks of ram, one 8800GTX and 1/2 harddisk, a 400W True Power PSU would suffice?
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^ my OCed X2 with 7950GX2, quad Raptors, high voltage rams and dual optical drives doesn't even tax my 500 watter enough to even make it sing lah. This high wattage grab is just countering the processor industry's shift to performance per watt.
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post Mar 27 2007, 05:24 PM

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seriously... 90% of users dont need 1k watt PSU like that sweat.gif

unless u got quad sli/ dual 8800GTX, u need the mostly 700watt though.. laugh.gif
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i think it's about, what Enermax can do with 1kW PSU...to proving that she can do it...thumbup.gif, personally, yes...90% of us, didn't even use that much of power...
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Yup nod.gif
1kW still far beyond most average users.
Even workstation also seldom use up PSU wif 1kW rating. sweat.gif
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post Mar 27 2007, 07:42 PM

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yup yup

most of us definitely wont need tat Galaxy 1kw psu 4 our rigs... blush.gif

but as far as IT goes...every manufacturer will push d limits with their tech/products... flex.gif
& every end-users/enthusiast would most often wanted 2 know bout greatest hardwares...even though they wont own 1... rite? biggrin.gif
we cant b goin backwards on IT technology rite???

wat Enermax was doin all this while is to show tat they're d very very very few among all those PSU out there tatz really TRUE in performance&power!!! drool.gif
agree???

not only their whooping Galaxy 1kw...but other series they have r also GREAT, POWERFUL/ STABLE & RELIABLE... notworthy.gif
haha..i wont deny tat i'm an Enermax user as well la... thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(jcliew @ Mar 27 2007, 07:41 PM)
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1kW still far beyond most average users.
Even workstation also seldom use up PSU wif 1kW rating. sweat.gif
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itz not only about how high d wattage is... other aspects hav 2 b taken into consideration s well: reliability & stability r some of it!!!

s far s workstations/servers/ rigs tat r operating 24/7 (almost 365) brows.gif all these requires both of d above icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 27 2007, 09:26 PM

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this psu suck high electricity, how much monthly bill if use this monster... btw do we really need such high end psu...
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Mar 27 2007, 09:26 PM)
this psu suck high electricity, how much monthly bill if use this monster... btw do we really need such high end psu...
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Mar 27 2007, 09:26 PM)
this psu suck high electricity, how much monthly bill if use this monster... btw do we really need such high end psu...
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Suck electricity? Why?

Not the most efficient way of powering a 200W rig but why?
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post Mar 28 2007, 12:39 PM

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haha, 1kw sucks 1kw of power to run your sub 300watts rig.

all your components will blow up and burn down your house and kill your whole family while they're asleep.

even if it's a 1jigawatts flux capacitor PSU, if your rig only draws 300watts max, it'll still use 300watts ONLY!!!.

It has absolutely no affect on your electric bill.

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QUOTE(lamely_named @ Mar 28 2007, 12:39 PM)
haha, 1kw sucks 1kw of power to run your sub 300watts rig.

all your components will blow up and burn down your house and kill your whole family while they're asleep.

even if it's a 1jigawatts flux capacitor PSU, if your rig only draws 300watts max, it'll still use 300watts ONLY!!!.

It has absolutely no affect on your electric bill.
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icic.. did what the max watt if someone hv ring like this:
e6600
asus p5n-e sli
8800gts
2gb ram
250gb hdd
dvdrw
fan
lil mod(led)

did it reach 300watt or over it
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Mar 27 2007, 02:37 PM)
Why do we even need quad SLI anyway. It' s not that playing games on 30" display 200fps is gonna make you more 1337 or godlike anyway
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More a marketing strategy. YOu'd be smacked in the face over the "performance" of the 4rigs combined.

They're trying to make you go "WOW!! OMG1337H4XOMFGROXXOR!!!oneone!!!11!!"
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QUOTE(arjuna_mfna @ Mar 28 2007, 02:38 PM)
icic.. did what the max watt if someone hv ring like this:
e6600
asus p5n-e sli
8800gts
2gb ram
250gb hdd
dvdrw
fan
lil mod(led)

did it reach 300watt or over it
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pardonning your typo's, I'd say for this rig, it'll barely sweat even if you installed a 500W PSU anyway. After all, C2D has designed max TDP of 65W. Not to mention DDR2 using lower volatages, the ancillaries using a few watts each, and the 8800GTS? 175W, max.... (Theoretical, would be less in real life)
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post Mar 28 2007, 04:01 PM

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8800GTX only has 185W max load.

anyway, ENERMAX do this to show that they are capable and reliable company. for more info, can look through Computer Power User (CPU) May 07 issue. got high-end and mid-range psu comparisons.

PC n Power Cooling USD499 1KW PSU, anyone? tongue.gif

*yes, may issue. not a typo. i know month of april don't even start yet...
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post Mar 28 2007, 07:19 PM

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Reliable is questionable as I've noticed lots of Enermax's giving tons of headaches to owners here and overseas. But I'm willing to give benefit of the doubt if less and less people are going to complain about it.
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post Mar 28 2007, 08:05 PM

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do we all really need 1k...i reckon its more for the glam factor....just like my c*** is bigger than yours, now its my psu wattage is bigger than yours... lol
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if it states that the PSU is 1kW, does that means it draws 1kW of power constant even though we use... say...400watts? or does it only draw 400 watts (the amount that we use) and the maximum it can supply is 1kW??

quite confusing as some say electricity bill goes up and things like that..

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QUOTE(point blanc @ Mar 28 2007, 08:25 PM)
if it states that the PSU is 1kW, does that means it draws 1kW of power constant even though we use... say...400watts? or does it only draw 400 watts (the amount that we use) and the maximum it can supply is 1kW??

quite confusing as some say electricity bill goes up and things like that..

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fortunately, first assumption is wrong. 1kW will be the average maximum power deliverable available to system. So if your rig draws a maximum of 300W, that PSU will only deliver maximum 300W to your PC. So second assumption is correct
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post Mar 29 2007, 11:38 AM

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Power consumption thread just to give an idea....

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=304293&st=0

99% of the forumer's rig here won't breach 300W lor.
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QUOTE(almostthere @ Mar 28 2007, 10:45 PM)
fortunately, first assumption is wrong. 1kW will be the average maximum power deliverable available to system. So if your rig draws a maximum of 300W, that PSU will only deliver maximum 300W to your PC. So second assumption is correct
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almostthere,

since that's the case, then why is everybody saying that getting that 1kW PSU will give a large sum of electricity bill? sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

so in another words, if my pc demand 300watts to run, the PSU will only draw 300watts from my main line to run it. now that clear things up a bit!
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post Mar 30 2007, 11:29 AM

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aiya ppl...

using a 1kW psu on a lower wattege rig WONT INCREASE UR BILLS!!! Duh doh.gif

it simply means tat the 1kW PSU can handle up to tat much load...
besides, a good PSU like Enermax has high efficiency level..meaning less % of power loss...meaning save on electricity..meaning lower electricity bill.... tongue.gif

sure not all of us need a 1kW Galaxy...tatz y there r other range to b choose from..tatz y got Enermax Infiniti/Liberty/FMA II...tatz y got Liberty user like me around.... flex.gif

Lotsa ppl think Enermax is more expensive...well, i think slightly only.. BUT it worth every single RM$ spend... icon_idea.gif
i said so cuz i've tried myself few other brands OR non-branded cap ayam PSU..which no mood 2 comment further la..sigh... cry.gif
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QUOTE(point blanc @ Mar 30 2007, 08:44 AM)
almostthere,

since that's the case, then why is everybody saying that getting that 1kW PSU will give a large sum of electricity bill?  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

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Because everyone here (mostly) are bloody morons. Yeah yeah i sound like a prick saying it, but heck atleast i'm a prick that tells the truth. Unless LYN forumers are prepared to back it up with sound science, don't believe them.
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It does makan a little bit more electricity.... melts the polar ice cap a lil bit more.... drown the Maldives a lil bit more...

In the sense that most psu have a efficiency range between 40-70% thereabout... so if you draw too little.. too much power will be wasted as heat.

It won't be much in terms of $$$ but think of the furry lil animals tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Mar 30 2007, 01:07 PM)
It does makan a little bit more electricity.... melts the polar ice cap a lil bit more.... drown the Maldives a lil bit more...

In the sense that most psu have a efficiency range between 40-70% thereabout... so if you draw too little.. too much power will be wasted as heat.

It won't be much in terms of $$$ but think of the furry lil animals tongue.gif
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haha...pity those lil furry animals then...those wasted energy changed in2 heat & those creatures got 2 hot... so hav 2 beskinned temselves... biggrin.gif

btw, for Enermax PSU...their efficiency is around 80% thumbup.gif
their infiniti series got "80 Plus certifications"...with efficiency of 80-85% cool2.gif
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QUOTE(gengyao @ Mar 30 2007, 01:18 PM)
haha...pity those lil furry animals then...those wasted energy changed in2 heat & those creatures got 2 hot... so hav 2 beskinned temselves...  biggrin.gif

btw, for Enermax PSU...their efficiency is around 80%  thumbup.gif
their infiniti series got "80 Plus certifications"...with efficiency of 80-85%  cool2.gif
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Marketing talk and again..that depends on the range.

My rig draws 160W idle and peak around 209W (which ppl spend the most time downloading pron or surfing for it) measured from the wall.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=8605105

So if I use the 1000W Galaxy...I'm only getting ~77% efficiency which means 49W is wasted as heat

But let's say I use a more efficient psu like the Seasonic S12... at the same 160W-209W range.. I'm getting 87% efficiency.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

In this case.... I only lose out 28W.

= 21W difference.

This is enough to power my pron rig which draws 21W idle or that light that your mom always reminds you to turn off to jimat elektrik.









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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Mar 30 2007, 01:40 PM)
Marketing talk and again..that depends on the range.

My rig draws 160W idle and peak around 209W (which ppl spend the most time downloading pron or surfing for it) measured from the wall.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=8605105

So if I use the 1000W Galaxy...I'm only getting ~77% efficiency which means 49W is wasted as heat

But let's say I use a more efficient psu like the Seasonic S12... at the same 160W-209W range.. I'm getting 87% efficiency.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article247-page4.html

In this case.... I only lose out 28W.

= 21W difference.

This is enough to power my pron rig which draws 21W idle or that light that your mom always reminds you to turn off to jimat elektrik.
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hey bro,

how come u calculte Galaxy with ~77% effeciency only? hmm.gif
actually it runs @ 80-8% efficiency from 20% to 100% full load...

u said ur rig draws only 21W idle???walao...sure ah? wink.gif
share with us ur sys specs la...IF u dun mind smile.gif


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QUOTE(hybrid_monster @ Mar 30 2007, 07:04 PM)
hey bro,

how come u calculte Galaxy with ~77% effeciency only?  hmm.gif
actually it runs @ 80-8% efficiency from 20% to 100% full load...

u said ur rig draws only 21W idle???walao...sure ah?  wink.gif
share with us ur sys specs la...IF u dun mind  smile.gif
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Again...that's what the marketing says.

Read the review here:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article726-page4.html

Usually SPCR's psu reviews are much better than the usual "test with hardware and pop screen shot saying prime stable" so called "reviews" that other sites do.

As for the 21W... that's the PrON rig ... specs as per my siggy.

Measured from the wall plug here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=10727568

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Enermax go hell lah.

mine FMA II 460w RM285 use less than 6 months now went to "Holland" already.

Regret to bought Enermax. No more next time, sorry for enermax. vmad.gif
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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Mar 31 2007, 01:11 AM)
Enermax go hell lah.

mine FMA II 460w RM285 use less than 6 months now went to "Holland" already.

Regret to bought Enermax. No more next time, sorry for enermax.  vmad.gif
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jimlim007,

look at the bright side, it's only your PSU got kong off.. enermax is one of the good brands for PSU.
rumor has it that enermax PSU can stop sudden surge without causing damage to other parts etc.. mobo, ram, proc, HDD and the list goes on. in another words it sacrifice itself.
correct me if i'm wrong.
as i was saying, look at the bright side, it's only your PSU RM 285, what IF your mobo + proc +.... got fry ... = >RM285

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QUOTE(jimlim007 @ Mar 31 2007, 12:11 AM)
Enermax go hell lah.

mine FMA II 460w RM285 use less than 6 months now went to "Holland" already.

Regret to bought Enermax. No more next time, sorry for enermax.  vmad.gif
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haha...cool down la brother... laugh.gif

i totally agree with Point Blanc there....think bout wat would happen if u r using a cap-ayam/normal PSU....how much damage it'll b then??? blush.gif

but cant blame u as most ppl's mindset r simply set @ "i paid so much 4 this product...it should've work till i'm 80yrs old or smtg...!!!" RITE??? laugh.gif
IMO tatz way tooooo naive... icon_rolleyes.gif

Do find out more bout safety features included in a good PSU like Enermax... such as OVP, OCP, UVP, SCP, OTP...list goes on... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(point blanc @ Mar 31 2007, 10:55 AM)
jimlim007,

look at the bright side, it's only your PSU got kong off..  enermax is one of the good brands for PSU.
rumor has it that enermax PSU can stop sudden surge without causing damage to other parts etc.. mobo, ram, proc, HDD and the list goes on. in another words it sacrifice itself.
correct me if i'm wrong.
as i was saying, look at the bright side, it's only your PSU RM 285, what IF your mobo + proc +.... got fry ... =   >RM285

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I totally disagree.

For mine psu issue not involved lightning strike. So, at you said, Enermax must have it's bottom line level to satisfy their fans at least can opearation for couple year lah. Not to say less than 6 months. That is very horrible and terrible.

What for spend rm285 go bought a psu can only survive for couple of months only. And what happen when mine current RM48 psu Kingmax can survive more than Enermax.

I am for sure agreed Enermax is one of the famous brand for PSU. That is why i bought Enermax instead of Cool Master RM300 or Antec ot etc.

Hmm.....really dissappointed of Enermax's supreme performance. Haha, it is went to "Holland" for vocation after operation couple of months sweat.gif

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6 months, you can still RMA your PSU.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Mar 31 2007, 11:50 AM)
6 months, you can still RMA your PSU.
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Yes. The pc shop owner said need 1 month at less.

So, me have to waste 1 month streamyx usage RM66 + RM26 one month billing. And I am the kind of usr that can't survive without pc even in one day sweat.gif

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That is why we always need back-up components just in case the current component that we are using failed. smile.gif
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Nowadays wee see that the current hardware uses more power each day. Those times where a 300W PSU should be more then enough is long gone.

It seems that the hardware manufacturer especially the video card/GPU and some CPU maker also doesnt care enough on the power consumption as long as it can deliver super high performance with their card. Rarely we seen an advertisment that says "New 9900GTX super fast performance with only 50W power consumption!" since the consumer itself doesnt bother much about the energy they waste. And they could care less since the power consumption is still considered small compare to Air Conditioner and Refrigerator.

But when is this more power more performance theory will go on? Do we really need a video card that eat 500W of power? Maybe in future some Computer organization should draw a line on the maximum power consumption on several parts of the computer like the FIA did with Formula One Engine, example maximum power usage of graphic card is 100W per card. And with that, GPU manufacturer will mostly competing on making a high performance card and yet low power consumption that will surely benefit our eco system.

Therefor this will surely benefit us consumer interms of electricity bills and dont have to buy new PSU unit when new graphic card is launched as well as saving those furry lil animals from extinction. smile.gif
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QUOTE(XCremator @ Mar 31 2007, 12:46 PM)
Nowadays wee see that the current hardware uses more power each day. Those times where a 300W PSU should be more then enough is long gone.

It seems that the hardware manufacturer especially the video card/GPU and some CPU maker also doesnt care enough on the power consumption as long as it can deliver super high performance with their card. Rarely we seen an advertisment that says "New 9900GTX super fast performance with only 50W power consumption!" since the consumer itself doesnt bother much about the energy they waste. And they could care less since the power consumption is still considered small compare to Air Conditioner and Refrigerator.

But when is this more power more performance theory will go on? Do we really need a video card that eat 500W of power? Maybe in future some Computer organization should draw a line on the maximum power consumption on several parts of the computer like the FIA did with Formula One Engine, example maximum power usage of graphic card is 100W per card. And with that, GPU manufacturer will mostly competing on making a high performance card and yet low power consumption that will surely benefit our eco system.

Therefor this will surely benefit us consumer interms of electricity bills and dont have to buy new PSU unit when new graphic card is launched as well as saving those furry lil animals from extinction. smile.gif
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QUOTE(XCremator @ Mar 31 2007, 12:46 PM)
Nowadays wee see that the current hardware uses more power each day. Those times where a 300W PSU should be more then enough is long gone.

It seems that the hardware manufacturer especially the video card/GPU and some CPU maker also doesnt care enough on the power consumption as long as it can deliver super high performance with their card. Rarely we seen an advertisment that says "New 9900GTX super fast performance with only 50W power consumption!" since the consumer itself doesnt bother much about the energy they waste. And they could care less since the power consumption is still considered small compare to Air Conditioner and Refrigerator.

But when is this more power more performance theory will go on? Do we really need a video card that eat 500W of power? Maybe in future some Computer organization should draw a line on the maximum power consumption on several parts of the computer like the FIA did with Formula One Engine, example maximum power usage of graphic card is 100W per card. And with that, GPU manufacturer will mostly competing on making a high performance card and yet low power consumption that will surely benefit our eco system.

Therefor this will surely benefit us consumer interms of electricity bills and dont have to buy new PSU unit when new graphic card is launched as well as saving those furry lil animals from extinction. smile.gif
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Nobody's asking you to get top of the line right?

Manufacturers do offer their chips in cut down power version, and unlike F1, you aren't forced to buy.

Existing standards by PCI-SIG, the IEEE, COMPTIA, Intel and ANSI are good enough.
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if smtg goes wrong within few mths...still can send back 2 warranty ma..Enermax gives 3yrs...

so many comments...bad&good...i think each case differs la...
though there were a few frm d unlucky bunch who'd faced some problems (but can we really solely blame it all on d PSU...???)...still there's lotsa lucky ppl who's very satisfied with d PSU... &i'm 1 of those lucky ones...lol~
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post Apr 2 2007, 09:28 AM

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My old coolergiant 485W also died wat....but these things happened wan. If sui... memang nothing can do.
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haha... rclxms.gif

we can only pray 2 God... pray hard hard flex.gif


Added on April 10, 2007, 9:32 pmOh...went 2 LY....they doing Infiniti promo now....buy any 650/720W Infiniti can claim @ supplier showroom a Vantec Vortex HDD cooler wor..


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