who know which six internet investment under investigation????

I suppose u shud know since u posted this news rite ? seems to me u know about it but u still asking on it .....

This post has been edited by shocker: Mar 27 2007, 12:07 AM

six internet investment under investigation????


their operations not only internet....
and,yes,gov didnt announce it..

bro, any idea what are the names of those so called companies ? I wanna know ...

i heard 1 of it is those 'swiss cash' alot of

ppl say Very good investment wor ~ but currently bank already frozen the account.

and got 2 more account ~ i could not remember ~

I wonder how many victim will occur ~?

pity those ppl who want to get rich fast lah

well, typical citizen in m'sia ~ by hoping those unknown person will help to generate the EXTRA double or triple income for them.

Actually, I got 1 time advise 1 old aunty not to take the 'gores & menang'

stuff, the aunty scold me back say 'you jelous me menang and u not menang'

............. at the end she been cheated 25k ~ goes into newspaper somemore.


Investment are are risk ~ but we need to know how high the risk is !

that all.

swisscash ? I thought swisscash was the most safest between all of them becos most least kacau-ed by the gomen , but I have been hearing about this gomen interference for sometime leadi but no news also.....

is there any valid links or proof of gomen interference in those so called investments ?

you are rite bro, I agree with u !!!

This post has been edited by shocker: Mar 27 2007, 12:27 AM

thanks !

dun know ~ let me confirm tomolo ~ ok ? swiss cash under a acount name 1 ~

i can't say so CLEAR 1~ nanti ppl know where i from which internal/company~ I

will be on the newspaper tomolo pula ~ kkakakaka.


Oh, if i not mistaken even they say Swiss cash HQ at NYC right ~? but actually they not show that internationally register ~ try to ask someone at new york to find that address.

anyone know wheter buyebarrel or empay are under investigation also???

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=1299

a useful link by bank negara

Do post the list of companies in here. Thank you.

Yea I believe it would help a lot.

I could see through SwissCash the moment my friends tried to pull me in (Because i had lots of xp of people asking me to join MLM, scams, etc). I told them not to join instead and they just shrug it off like I'm crapping.

I don't know how real it is but to me, any investment out there involving interest rates should be governed by BNM...

Just hope my friends' money are safe... :pray:

They tell me that too. But in different way. While the invest in that program, i invest in my strategy fx. And they said it's full of crap . wth with them. there is no such easy money. just they lose it in fx doesn't mean you will learn how to get easy money in other way. I hate those people

you giving me an impression that,... you talk nothing. no proof,... no link. No solid indication of what we suppose to discuss. First post just one line. Second post asking us,... anyone know...

Am I nuts? or you are too smart?
You know or me know now?

www.Buyebarrel.us tak boleh masuk liao wow ...
any buyebarrel investor here ???

I dun think buyebarrel got any investor there. Not eligible to be called as investor yet. Just kids that dreaming of really got money fall from the sky, to be exact. ><"

When there is easy money, there will always have people easy to lose money.

When you do any investment, you need to know where the money come from and who lose it.

calm down. he or she perhaps just need the advice from the more experienced person such as u. anywhere, whatever swisscash or buybarrel it is being called, i think is not practical. come on, every1 wants money, where on earth can we find easy money now? money only come when u sweat or squeezing ur brain. of course, investing tools such as forex, stock, future/option, commodities investing do make profit,but, investor need to bear the risk and use their experiences to do so with little help from luck too.

so, the most safest and secure WITHOUT RISK way of investing money is FD.

lastly, no easy money in this world. even if it did exist, i sure no 1 willing to share.

(here,i have no harm to persons who had invest in those scheme such as swisscash.just a fingers cross to ur hard earn money or inheritated money....)

arr,... if me not mistaken, the most safe and secure way is AMANAH SAHAM(in Malaysia). Or in Chinese called: 政府公债 or Government Bonds.

FD still got risk, but very low.

Who said Swisscash is licensed or endorsed by Bank Negara??
It is not licensed in the very first place. As far as I know, it is underground "investment".

Those Swisscash investors know it's an "underground" activity, don't they?
I think they just don't care. They only care about multiplying the money.

Somehow, I wonder is there anyone cheated by their friends that Swisscash is a licensed company? Please raise your hands and share your experience here.

Referring to NST newspaper (Monday 26 Mar 2007), the 6 companies are licensed MLM companies.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Mar 27 2007, 07:07 PM

everyone knows swisscash is not licensed. they just want to get the principal back and dont care about the rest..

any link or source for this news`?
i can't find any after googling..`

It'll help in a big big way if the TS had given more info on his first thread on the background of what he wants to talk about.

Here's the link: http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Mon...icle/index_html

ALeUNe: any ideas what hose 6 companies are? As far as I can see from the article, all it says is, direct-sales companies. Not sure if its of the MLM type, or those DS types such as Cobra, DS-MAX and so forth though.

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Added on March 27, 2007, 8:28 pmWell, that's the sad bit. There's still the hard core supporters who go abouts claiming that just because:
- its not licensed
- Its not approved by local authorities

That does not mean that it is a scam, and that they're making money off it. It kinda reminds me of those stories on those 419 scammers though, how some of those who got scammed still denies it, and claims that those scammers were their friends even after losing their entire life's savings.

This post has been edited by fyire: Mar 27 2007, 08:28 PM

no doubt, swisscash was one of it. like some of u had mentioned earlier on, many account has been frozen. my friend kena oso and he been very headache a couple month ago on how to cashout his money... money neva come tat easily thou!!

I see... so this is all about the news? Thank you very much for the news link.

"They promised returns of up to RM50,000 for an investment of between RM30 and RM200. This made people wary of the scheme," he said.

It's very idiotic for people to believe such plan. With amount between 30 and 200 can get 50,000?! However, if they telling me, using 50,000 can gain 200 more. Then only I would believe.

I rather use my 200 to buy TOTO. To get the jackpot...

This post has been edited by edifgrto: Mar 27 2007, 08:45 PM

I do not know since it did not mention the names. I think it will be announced soon.

As far as I know, these companies are using their MLM licenses to operate other activities.

the buyeburral said their a very large group in singapore, i wonder singapore allow this activity meh ?

Well, a lot of such scammers tend to claim a lot of things. Take this as an example. How difficult is it really, to just take a few pics of ppl dressed in biz suits, stick on some fancy titles on them, and write up some faked testimonies from them?

How about www.fical.net?

well i am wondering will actually LB be one of them?

Let's see...
- Return rates that r too good to be true
- Totally no physical contact address at all on their website
- Domain name registered through an anonymous domain name holding service.

Likely to be a scam.

haha. im totally agreed wit u. it make sense when u invested 50k n gain 200, but not the other way round. one word= GREED!

ya, FD, if u put 100K inside, if the bank tutup, max u can take back 40K only ... if i'm not mistaken.

yeah, if the bank shut down, i think u should care more not just the 60k loss.

some correction ~

amanah saham = unit trust ~ kakakakaka ~

PNB punya 'bumiputra' unit trust to be exact ~ and also they issue Government

Bond also

oh ~ just tumpang this thread ~ every interest we earn at any financial institute

are subject to be TAX ! except BSN, Bank pertanian, AND ALSO Amanah Saham

'Bumiputra'.

how come it sound so unfair for me ... sigh ...

I seem to remember ths fellow who was quite actively defending empay in these threads. the one with the cartoon avatar.

wonder how's he feeling right now.

em-pay got problem now already meh ???
i see my fren buyeburrel webpage can login back liao ...

http://www.swisscityfund.com/web/default.asp

are u guyz meant it ?

The usual signs of a scam site:
- Domain name registration held by an anonymous holding party
- No physical contact details provided

anyone know about empay? is it scam?

Well, EMPAY as in em-pay.com is very much suspicious indeed, considering that there's no physical contact address on their website at all, combined with the fact that the domain name is registered under an anonymous holding party.

since so many forumers fancy swisscash,byyebarrel or whatever it call.dont invest in there, perhaps i should set up 1 this kinda investment tools.....www.easymoney/come/come.com.............deposit 100, 15 months later u get 2000.....1:20.

any supporters ????

above is just a crap

just wonder those guyz dunno calculate ? put so little $ without work can get so much return :S

a6meister : lol, count me as a founder too ~~

barrel or drum, empay or ipay ....the only way for the scheme to continue working is by having more ppl joining under ...that way they can roll the new ppls money to upline and so on and on....

pls bcareful ur word...i join sc oredi 1 years plus..amd my group have more than 2k ppl..none of anyone didnt get paid... ....ya..sc is not any solid thing to proof it...but any one got solid thing to proof it is scam?or any ppl oredi in sc but didnt get pay or late pay since this 3 years?

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Added on April 3, 2007, 11:19 amand i dont think paying per day 0.3% is imposible...if u get one business is cover worldwide..any without paying rental + tax...is that imposible to earning 0.3% ?swisscash is a company cover worldwide but without tax...no nid rent or buy shop or hire worker in worldwide like traditional...act there are some investment can make u profit more than 300%...juz u do not have enough money...ex: if u get one big project from goverment ... u noe wat is the profit??huh??juz did u got money rasuah mar?

This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 3 2007, 11:20 AM

All these things are nonsense. There is little economic or financing to go about. If you own a share of whatever you buy into, you are entitled to a prospectus (which even a non-shareholder is able to get) and a look-see at their account books. If they cannot provide it to you, signed by a chartered accountant, with a named board of directors, it's a scam.

if u guys doing something same wif other...u wont b success....think wif it...all of the suceesful guys is ppl say they r silly b4 they success....i juz wan to say..at least all ppl r getting pay within 3 years oredi...3 years! at every month i get bout rm 6000-7000...tats mean if u start since last two years like mi..u get a good pay too....why not?

hi guowen, what scheme is that ? can u let me know via pm?

There's a difference between investment and gambling. Furthermore, its only those with something to gain who will wish to recruit others into something like this, especially when they themselves has already made back the money put in, but it's a different story for those whom they r now recruiting.

But the most basic question that i've asked, of which non of such HYIP supporters has been able to answer as yet, is that of reputation.

Any reputable and legal financial institution will do anything to ensure that their contact details and identity are easilly verifiable. Why? Reputation is important to them. So why is it that such scammers of which you insist are genuine investment schemes goes to such pains of hiding their own identity?

Sure, there's those who makes money, but then again, that's just as a bait.

sorry man..did u know wat is offshow mar?tis is a offhow investment bro...it not like ur fd lpaying few percent per year...if this company hav lincense in in malaysia did u rili think u still can get high pay?huh? juz like car...act benz and bmw is very cheap in other country...by why malaysia is expensive?? comeon la friend...if u wana b a good citizen u can do...hehe,but when u kena saman by police coz langgar undang driving...dont pay rm 30 to police for rasuah... coz goverment will tangkap u

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Added on April 3, 2007, 5:47 pmmmm..here are some good idea for u guys to play safe...v are built a big group in malaysia since last year...if u interesting to invest more than 20k usd..v can provide u a guarantor.....v will do a lawyer sign wif u...than v will put a same amount fund in bank acc wif share name...if swisscash close u get b ur money..but if success..u nid pay 30% of u profit and lawyer fee...if u interesting pls pm mi..thanks



This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 4 2007, 02:16 PM

i got this from my mum. she join SC and got this. me? no comment.

QUOTE

Dear SwissCash Investors

It has come to our attention for the past 6 months that various online investment scheme has:

1. appeared and disappeared in the market
2. marketed to SwissCash Investors misleadingly
3. closed, cheated many innocent investors
4. appear looking like SwissCash in many ways
5. been marketed by comparing itself with SwissCash

After months of research and feedback from SwissCash Investors around the world, we have found more than a hundred websites that we categorized as NOT GENUINE, SCAM in nature, misleading and definitely not operating within legal boundaries.
Listed here are just some examples:

1. www.eurocashfund.com
2. www.brk-corp.com
3. www.splitindex.com
4. www.am-sky.net
5. www.synergy-invest.net
6. www.zenohyip.com
7. www.totalshares.com
8. www.utfund.com
9. www.colonendparenthesis.com
10. www.better-invest.com
11. www.skyprofithyip.com
12. Www.safe2investnow.com
13. www.pegasus-finance.com
14. Www.kosmogroup.org
15. Www.allfinancialgroup.net
16. www.swissgold4cash.com
17. www.mutual-investments.com
18. www.sanefund.com
19. www.stable-fund.com
20. www.swedenfund.com
21. www.formalunion.com
22. www.e-buck.net 
23. www.sectoronlinefund.com
24. www.staredgereturns.com
25. Www.klassicgold.net
26. Www.rapidhyip.com
27. www.global-gold-invest.com
28. Www.e-tradinginvestment.com
29. www.bonzaihyip.com
30. www.alwaysoil.com
31. www.financeandco.net
32. www.infinitemultiplicity.com
33. www.topmarketgroup.com
34. www.ultimatetarget.com
35. www.eaindex.com
36. www.bhg-corp.com or www.bhg-corp.biz
37. www.technary.com
38. www.geindex.com
39. www.hugeroi.com
40. www.sunshine-empire.com
41. www.swisscityfund.com
42. www.breakthedrought.net
43.    www.em-pay.com
44.    www.abfund.biz or www.abfund.us
45.    www.wdf-usa.com
46.    www.fical.net

We suggest to all SwissCash Investors who had invested into such investment vehicle (as shown above or similar in nature) to immediately withdraw your returns from these companies. We advise you to at least make more research before you decide to invest into such online investment programs.

Thank you for your attention.

Michael Mansfield
Chief Financial Officer
SwissCash International

Refer to the bold statement. I have a thought on this.

What if there is no new recruites??
Where is the money coming from?
I mean these new recruites are existing investors. Repeat purchase, I meant.

For example, a 3-month investment SCAM

*** 1st Cycle ***
Mr A invested 1000 in the 1st month (pioneer)
Mr B invested 1000 in the 1st month (pioneer)
Mr C invested 1000 in the 1st month (pioneer)

Mr D invested 1000 in the 2nd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr A
Mr E invested 1000 in the 2nd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr B
Mr F invested 1000 in the 2nd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr C

Mr G invested 1000 in the 3rd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr D
Mr H invested 1000 in the 3rd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr E
Mr I invested 1000 in the 3rd month. Some portion to company + some portion to Mr F

*** 2nd Cycle ***
Mr A got back 3000 upon maturity (300% return). He decided to re-invest 1000.
Some portion to company + some portion to Mr G

Mr B got back 3000 upon maturity (300% return). He decided to re-invest 1000.
Some portion to company + some portion to Mr H

Mr C got back 3000 upon maturity (300% return). He decided to re-invest 1000.
Some portion to company + some portion to Mr I


Based on this logic, I think it is sustainable though there is no new recruits. Repeat purchase from existing investors could sustain the biz cycles.
Key word is, repeat purchase and hence infinite market size.

Of course, new recruites or new investors would greatly multiply the flow of money.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 4 2007, 04:30 PM

Something worth sharing

mmm..act most of the reason tat guy mention is cant find the company...

1st. swisscash is a offshow company...did u thing if u open a chicken rice shop in street oso will appear ur number in yellow page?

2nd.swisscash do no nid to announce what investment or plan to public...coz it do not wan to pay any tax(i do agree mayb they are thinking our money to invest mafia thing)

3rd.bout the phone...pls visit http://www.swisscash.net/web/faq.aspx
they oredi mention that do not received any phone call!!!

4rd.they are a virtual office..u know wat is tat?juz like u open a tuition class through internet...u do not nid a class..

5rd.bout the register in dominica...as i say..it is a virtual office...they do no nid to register as name swisscash or register the real business they are doing now

6rd.they aren't say swisscash is since 1948 man!!!ls read their website clearly...in open since 2005 april....oni swiss mutual fund is 1948...

7rd.the link u provide is so long time liaw...no oredi be swisscash.net T.T

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Added on April 4, 2007, 9:19 pmmmm..bout ur opionion...mayb is true oso...coz v dont have any solid thin to proof swisscash is real investment or playing pyramid...
but from the way i look at it...swisscash just start oni 2005 years....now r start cover malaysia,us,indonesia,singapore...2006 they cover taiwan ,thailand and india...end of 2006.they are start opening chineese gateway to start in china..

as u see...it still have many country and space for it....'if'worst come to worst... i would say 'if' i was the boss...and 'if' i wan close it...i wont do now..at least i will cover 30-40% of world counry since now oedi hav a good brand in most of place(it will take at least 4-5 years time to one it)...is it?




act before our missunderstand...i have to say i am no trying to promote any plan in this thread...wat i wan to say is ...yes,they are many web is scam..any many ppl is losing their money....but still have some company are last long like swisscash...oredi few years and stable...and they still have many ppl is earning money from those website...i very believe tat v can use our money to earn more money....

pls do not say all gangster member is bad...and all police is good guy....stil have good guy in gangster or bad in police....b a investor the most important is not listen ppl say rubbish...but is using 'eye light' (in chineese) hehe

anywhere i am one of the guys r sucessful earning from it(even i dont study any and i now my english is vy bad)...hehe,but as a investor...u have to noe every investment oso have risk..juz high or low..tq

This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 4 2007, 09:43 PM

All reputable and legitimate invesment houses will show their contact details. If their nature of business is mainly online, there will be the physical address listed online.

Again, rubbish. That is hardly an excuse for not having any physical contacts, especially where finance is concerned.


Again more rubbish. A legitimate company will need to still show their credentials which can be easily verified. Even an online tuition class where the classes r conducted virtually, if it is a regitered business, then there'll still be the need for such information to be displayed. Take note that there is a very big difference too in your example, tuition classes and finance r worlds apart when it comes to the need for reputation


More rubbish again. Where finance is concerned, there is so such thing as no need to register. In fact, finance is one of the most heavily regulated fields in the world.

Interesting question is, how can the information that they put onto their website be verified? I mean, any tom d*** or harry can just put up a website, and claim that they've got how many customers in how many countries and so on, and even photoshop some nice photos of ppl in nice biz suits giving faked testimonials. I mean, I can write up 10 very convincing testimonials in less than 20 minutes easily, and make it look like its from 10 different ppl also.

Yes, all investments has got their own risks. In fact, there's even those ppl who invest in those scams, and make money out of it because they play it right, enter and exit at the right times. But scams r still scams. If you want to invest in a scam that u think can make u money, then fine, that's your problem, but its downright dishonest to try to convince ppl to think that its a genuine investment scheme.

dear guowen221:
ok well,lets say if the scam really will close only after 4-5 years and it is safe to invest now.
but wat happens after 4-5 years when the company close???more ppl will lose
their money only right?
U've earn your money,but directly or indirectly you are the one who helps to promote the scam.
do u think the money u've earned is still clean???

Refer to my post # 55, if there are few cycles of repeat purchase from existing investors (could be millions of investors), there will be no victims.

If there is big group of investors to sustain the biz cycle, the money can keep flowing within the cycle without needing the new recruits.
Think about this.

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Added on April 5, 2007, 9:06 amI want to rephrase this, it's rolling money in the circle.
Yes, I think it's workable & sustainable in SHORT RUN (3-5 years, may be).

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Added on April 5, 2007, 9:15 amSwisscash is not a registered company. It is not legal.
There is no way to legalise this in Malaysia. Otherwise, all commercial banks will be going down to drain. We are talking about 300% return of "underground bank" VS 3-5% of commercial banks.

And there are many reports against it. People aware of it.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=1299
http://ecommerce-journal.com/?q=node/1238

But, who cares? I think most of the Swisscash investors understand this is one underground money-rolling movement, which is freaking high risk.
In reality, Swisscash is still running solidly underground. People still pump in money into this underground movement. Who cares? The ultimate objective is they receive money in return. The money keeps multiplying and flowing in the circle underground.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 5 2007, 10:22 AM

bro..there are alot of business is didnt let u noe their address..if u brain still in tradisional place of course u can...u noe buki?(for ppl site bet)...before u bet..is them like u noe where are their nest?why?bcoz they are illegal and no tax....same like swisscash....i ididnt say it are legal man..pla see my reply again...it would b a mafia business oso(mayb)....but think...even if they have a register company than wat?they still can run away....rite?so wats matter u r so care bout that?bout that contact number...if i oredi get a big amount money...why i canot hire a ppl to received call to cheat u guy?so wats so important bout phone call?can u comfirm all investent are no risk?ya..mayb u are the guys who very care ur face and name...for mi...even though a guy in gangster but he always do a rite thing..i still consider he is a good guy...but u...he must b a clean and no record than only can b a good guy...as i say,i dont mind the process..wat i wan see is the result...did uncle lim are care all ppl losing money in genting?he make more maney but more ppl are losing money....nowsaday oso got many mlm company are only playing money and mo product..did u noe bout that?than how bout all the downline?most of time oso upline get rich...than downline being cheat? if process is start from good..but ending is lose or so so...than is no meaning for who are wan sucesss....

anywhere if u found something is more better and stable and legal investment than swisscash....u pm mi...i vey interesting..(even slidely lower abit oso can)

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Added on April 5, 2007, 10:17 amhow do u spit he money is clean or ditry??only salary all clean??haha...i did lie any ppl...as i say u invest with ur own risk...i am only sharing a good plan for u...but didnt force or lie u...undrstand?bout how bout the ppl in 4-5 years? for mi..paying rm 1k usd(rm3.5k)...take 7 month risk...get b 3k usd( rm 11k)..is very fair




This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 5 2007, 10:17 AM

Your england is indeed powderful.

Try invest in a proper written English course. It will help u in the long run. Do it for your children if you wish to have any. I can't imagine 15 years on there's a buncha teens "terrorizing" forums with your kind of English. brr... give me shivers even just to think of it.

Exactly my point. So now that we've established that swisscash is an illegal scam, now let's look at the other points that branches out of this one.

Basically the main danger r the huge numbers of ppl out there who actually believe that this thing is a genuine investment scheme, and not to mention as well, the amount of recruiters out there who will knowingly spread lies to their potential recruits that such and such investments r registered, accrediated and legitimate.

There's those gamblers who will invest knowingly, but such r only a small percentage. The bulk of the ppl who put their money in r those who had been deceived into thinking that it is a proper investment scheme, and most times deceived by those recruiters who actually know the whole story.

No wonder he's only capable of doing what he's doing now (Whatever he's doing la to make $)

dear...
i agree ur words..coz may swisscash is like u say coz no one no the act...yup,act they are many investor oso understand this game rule...juz like they noe act go genting bet they loose per cent is higher than win....but wat is their brain think is they nid a chance...a chance to change their life,they rili dont mind scm or not..juz like if u see thy are some ppl drop wallet in floor,most os ppl will say:ai ppl der...must give back money at wallet to them..,but did all ppl will do tat??haha,i wont give back....lose or win..no any ppl noe...but i can say within tis 2 years...u still have 99% to win in swisscash...a

Put it this way,

Commercial banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 3-5% return. We call it investment.

Underground banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 300% return. We call it scam.

Well, the reason why I use the word scam is:
- A pyramid scheme is unsustainable in the long run, which is contary to what such websites claim, of which I quantify as a scam
- Such websites r not a proper registered business, despite what they claim, of which I quantify as a scam

Basically, even should a commercial bank advertises something that is false, I would call it a scam. Why do you think there's tons of legal stuff and QC involved for anything related to finance at all? I mean, I'm involved in the Financial Data area, of which does not even touch the actual investments at all, but just specialized in the data that investors will make use of, and the legal related stuff r already that bad.

sorry man i noe my english is poor...i noe only earn money..sorry sorry..coz my superstar not jay or jolin like u,,is uncle lim...sign oso do noe.still use finger to sign..haha..

I understand what you meant.

Like this Swisscash thing, people would not care if it's scam or not, as long as they get back their money. From the feedback of few members, Swisscash still seems running strong underground.

Anyway, the ultimate objective of investment is $$.


** A note to all investors **
Invest what you can afford. You take the risk, you pay the price.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 5 2007, 11:00 AM

be a smart investor

don't listen blindly to people...

Who is Ismail? Philosopher? Economic guru?
Source, please.

From the arguement posted. I can see no one deny it is a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid scheme survival is relied on the followers, Swisscash can last that long because there is still got followers joining. Basically it is a 'passing game', early bird feed on the followers. If there is no or not sufficient followers to feed the early bird then the scheme will collapse, so the last or latest followers lose all and the 'tauke' grab the most while early birds get some sweet from it.

Final conclusion, it is a pyramid scheme. That's all. I don't think it is worth to argue that so much.

ya...not matter what investment...v oso invest the amount of our afford only...dont too over...respect to all ur guys opinoin...it has upgrade my knowlege...thanks..

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Added on April 5, 2007, 5:46 pmi am respect to all ppl are giving good opinion in this thread...but u...only say the rubbish..here are for ppl sharing opinion..if u like to teach ppl english pls go to tuition centre b teacher..no one interesting to see ur those useless reply in here...just like lalat...after ppl sharing thing tat add on some shit here..

This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 5 2007, 05:46 PM

Wait, let me rephrase it.

All biz models require demand. The relation of supply VS demand.
If there is no demand - the biz dies naturally.
If there is no customer - close shop eventually.

Likewise, Swisscash scam requires suckers to pump in money in order to make the money flows.
Commercial banks require customers to pump in money too.

Irregardless of what type of biz, no customers - no bizness.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 5 2007, 05:57 PM

ya..agree wif u...no matter legal or unlegal..as long as is pyramid plan..always oso make 'late' ppl losing money...the most important is u have to rajin for built up ur group..and have to know when is the end date...isn't it?

First of all, I have to hail you for the powderful engris.

Okay, you speak of end date? Can you tell you how's the market demand now?
If it has got strong demand, I don't see how this illegal scam could fail.

Tell me about the demand and market prospect.

yup...every business oso nid money or demand or customer...

oh, sorry

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Mon...icle/index_html

act i am very close to my diredt upline..its call ee...is the 1st ppl join in swissash at malaysia...heshow mi his back office page jan 07 and feb 07 ....total group sale per month at jan(inlude oversea) is 6.8 million...and feb per month is 8.4 million...tis is a figure per month...

There will always be a failure point for every single pyramid type scheme. Actually, there's a very simple and fatal flaw in your theory in regards to the self sustaining thingy. Notice that anything that is pyramid shaped, the further that u get to the bottom, the bigger the area will be? Same thing here too.

So far the 1st cycle that you've mentioned is alright, that's the start. Basically at that time, the income for the scheme is totally fueled by new recruits investing money in it. Thing is, your theory of the 2nd cycle is way way off. Those who've invested in the 1st cycle, and take out 300% of what they put in, where does that 300% of their original investment come from? From new recruits investing of course. Then if they're to just put in 1/3 of what they earned back in again, the system will still be short of 2/3 of what it paid out. Its simple arithmetic here that will tell you that a should there be no new recruits, the amount of money in the system will decrease, because more money is being taken out than being put in. So, without new recruits fueling the system, there is no way it can sustain. This is not some magic system where it can just multiply your money just like that. the money has to come from somewhere.

Hence the danger point of such systems. The longer it goes, the larger the pyramid becomes, and the need for new recruits to invest will grow as well. Should the rate of new recruits coming in not be able to meet the rate of payouts, that's when the entire system will collapse. Basically, this will also be the point where the ppl running the thing will just pack up and run off with the money instead of paying back, and thanks to the complete anonymous way that they operate, fat chances of ever finding them.

Let me rephrase this, there is a failure point of every biz. No biz can last forever.
We all gonna die one day 'tho we all do not wanna die.

Yes, the entire system will collapse if it runs out of suckers that keep pumping in money in the pyramid.
Likewise, all biz will kick the bucket if there is no customer buys their product / service.

Firstly, my concern is how long this Swisscash can run? 3 years? 5 years? I think it's meant to be short run.
When will it run out of suckers?
We have to know the market size. We have to know the market demand.
How are we going to determine the actual market size? We can't determine it if there is repeating repeat purchase.
X repeat purchase = X market size.

Secondly, I'm wondering the market reach.
After 2 years in operation, these Swisscash opportunists have not reached my door and talk to me face to face about this Swisscash.
I wonder what they do to sustain such pyramid for 2 years? And it's still running strong underground.
This is especially Malaysia is not a rich country. We do not have huge population. And many people do not believe in this cepat-kaya scam. How they do it?
One possible reason is, they can sustain the flow of money in a circle for a short period. They do not really have to reach every corner of market to sustain the biz.

Thirdly, you talk about payout. Who should pay the money?
By the logic, the money is from new recruits.
Let's say a sucker pumps in 3K and he gets back 9K (or 300%) upon maturity.
Let's look at the breakdown of payout.
- 100% is the capital payment (amount is 3K)
- 80% from new recruits. (amount is 2.4K)
-120% from the company (amount is 3.6K)

Assuming the maturity period is 7 months.
If it's 3K investment, by hook or by crook Swisscash will have to generate 3.6K (120%) in 7 months.
Is it possible to generate 120% in 7 months? Yes, why not? There are many underground activities that have high profit (few hundred% profit), such as pirated DVD/VCD, pirated software, shark loans, garment etc.
The scam does not require 300% from new recruites. IMO, 50-80% from new recruits could sustain the biz.

I would rather like to know the market demand. If there is demand, there is no way to fail.
I would rather like to know the market size & the market reach. It determines how far it can go & how long it can last.

*** Invest in the right time & right place - shoot it to the core. ***

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Added on April 6, 2007, 12:26 pmI'm not interested in the turnover of No1 guy in Swisscash.

I would like to know your turnover. And how do you see the market?
How much do you sell a month? What's your sales turnover?
Can you tell me how many people have joined Swisscash as of todate (just estimate lah)? How long have you been joining Swisscash?

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 6 2007, 12:36 PM

Actually there's a big difference here in the 2 that you're describing. Such schemes rely purely on new investments. The lack of new investments or new business when put in the sense of a normal business will be the equiv of the business not growing, not kicking the bucket. There will still be the existing business leads to sustain the company.

Well, here is where our opinions differs. You are of the opinion that part of the income is based upon investment activities (whatever sort), while I'm of the opinion that it is a Ponzi type scheme. Basically you have got a point in saying that there are a lot of underground activities with high returns, but think about it, those activities r usually self funded, and those running the show r not very much interested in sharing the profit with investors.

Furthermore, you're forgetting another thing here, which is the retained earnings for the jokers running the scam itself.

And well, saying that Malaysia isnt cash rich isnt exactly correct either. I wont say that Malaysia's poor, but there's still a sizable amount of liquid assets that can be moved abouts easily. In regards to the target market, basically the main target r those from the lower income group, who r desperate for money, basically the group with a high expense to earning ratio, which results in very little savings. The paycheck comes in, go buy new handphone type. This is also the group that's the most likely to believe in such easy ways to make money.

hey....buyebarrel is scam...my fren was lost money..the web site was shut down,close...many sabah fren & sarawak fren lose money...

ebarrel is confirmed close ady...
but a new programme will be come out soon on this 16 apr...

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Added on April 10, 2007, 3:00 amAny one knows egtrusts here???
It is a new programme which just started on 1 april 2007...
It have a very strong background of forex group...
It was running in few countries now...

www.egtrusts.com

PM me if any doubt...


This post has been edited by Law: Apr 10 2007, 03:00 AM

Oh shit, I think many people got burnt.
Please tell me their investment package, such as daily %, duration etc.
Share your experience here.

I heard abfund gonna kick the bucket soon. Anyone can share this as well?

Based on my observation, any underground scam that gives 2%-3% daily interest is nearly impossible to sustain the biz cycle. It's pure bullshit.

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Added on April 10, 2007, 8:56 am2-3% interest? Forget about this. It is not able to sustain in 6 months.
It's pure phucking shit.

Quit it. Save your ass. Run for your life.
Pray to God that you are no sinner. Tell Him that you gonna be good boy.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 10 2007, 08:58 AM

http://www.moneymakergroup.com/lofiversion...124054-150.html

okay... Buyeburrel is down ... my fren cry until no tear now ...

feel sad too for those who lost the money. still the old saying, no easy money.

ya, I already warn her liao ...but she said nvm... now ? sigh ...

yes, but still ... if u not dare to lose big, u wont win big

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Added on April 10, 2007, 2:00 pmbro, becareful, those so call strong background doesn't prove anything 1...

as they are temptation to ask people join only...

This post has been edited by BoltonMan: Apr 10 2007, 02:00 PM