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post Apr 5 2007, 10:11 AM

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bro..there are alot of business is didnt let u noe their address..if u brain still in tradisional place of course u can...u noe buki?(for ppl site bet)...before u bet..is them like u noe where are their nest?why?bcoz they are illegal and no tax....same like swisscash....i ididnt say it are legal man..pla see my reply again...it would b a mafia business oso(mayb)....but think...even if they have a register company than wat?they still can run away....rite?so wats matter u r so care bout that?bout that contact number...if i oredi get a big amount money...why i canot hire a ppl to received call to cheat u guy?so wats so important bout phone call?can u comfirm all investent are no risk?ya..mayb u are the guys who very care ur face and name...for mi...even though a guy in gangster but he always do a rite thing..i still consider he is a good guy...but u...he must b a clean and no record than only can b a good guy...as i say,i dont mind the process..wat i wan see is the result...did uncle lim are care all ppl losing money in genting?he make more maney but more ppl are losing money....nowsaday oso got many mlm company are only playing money and mo product..did u noe bout that?than how bout all the downline?most of time oso upline get rich...than downline being cheat? if process is start from good..but ending is lose or so so...than is no meaning for who are wan sucesss....

anywhere if u found something is more better and stable and legal investment than swisscash....u pm mi...i vey interesting..(even slidely lower abit oso can)


QUOTE(fyire @ Apr 4 2007, 11:33 PM)
All reputable and legitimate invesment houses will show their contact details. If their nature of business is mainly online, there will be the physical address listed online.
Again, rubbish. That is hardly an excuse for not having any physical contacts, especially where finance is concerned.
Again more rubbish. A legitimate company will need to still show their credentials which can be easily verified. Even an online tuition class where the classes r conducted virtually, if it is a regitered business, then there'll still be the need for such information to be displayed. Take note that there is a very big difference too in your example, tuition classes and finance r worlds apart when it comes to the need for reputation
More rubbish again. Where finance is concerned, there is so such thing as no need to register. In fact, finance is one of the most heavily regulated fields in the world.
Interesting question is, how can the information that they put onto their website be verified? I mean, any tom d*** or harry can just put up a website, and claim that they've got how many customers in how many countries and so on, and even photoshop some nice photos of ppl in nice biz suits giving faked testimonials. I mean, I can write up 10 very convincing testimonials in less than 20 minutes easily, and make it look like its from 10 different ppl also.
Yes, all investments has got their own risks. In fact, there's even those ppl who invest in those scams, and make money out of it because they play it right, enter and exit at the right times. But scams r still scams. If you want to invest in a scam that u think can make u money, then fine, that's your problem, but its downright dishonest to try to convince ppl to think that its a genuine investment scheme.
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Added on April 5, 2007, 10:17 amhow do u spit he money is clean or ditry??only salary all clean??haha...i did lie any ppl...as i say u invest with ur own risk...i am only sharing a good plan for u...but didnt force or lie u...undrstand?bout how bout the ppl in 4-5 years? for mi..paying rm 1k usd(rm3.5k)...take 7 month risk...get b 3k usd( rm 11k)..is very fair




QUOTE(d12fren87 @ Apr 5 2007, 01:34 AM)
dear guowen221:
ok well,lets say if the scam really will close only after 4-5 years and it is safe to invest now.
but wat happens after 4-5 years when the company close???more ppl will lose
their money only right?
U've earn your money,but directly or indirectly you are the one who helps to promote the scam.
do u think the money u've earned is still clean???
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This post has been edited by guowen221: Apr 5 2007, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(guowen221 @ Apr 5 2007, 10:11 AM)
bro..there are alot of business is didnt let u noe their address..if u brain still in tradisional place of course u can...u noe buki?(for ppl site bet)...before u bet..is them like u noe where are their nest?why?bcoz they are illegal and no tax....same like swisscash....i ididnt say it are legal man..pla see my reply again...it would b a mafia business oso(mayb)....but think...even if they have a register company than wat?they still can run away....rite?so wats matter u r so care bout that?bout that contact number...if i oredi get a big amount money...why i canot hire a ppl to received call to cheat u guy?so wats so important bout phone call?can u comfirm all investent are no risk?ya..mayb u are the guys who very care ur face and name...for mi...even though a guy in gangster but he always do a rite thing..i still consider he is a good guy...but u...he must b a clean and no record than only can b a good guy...as i say,i dont mind the process..wat i wan see is the result...did uncle lim are care all ppl losing money in genting?he make more maney but more ppl are losing money....nowsaday oso got many mlm company are only playing money and mo product..did u noe bout that?than how bout all the downline?most of time oso upline get rich...than downline being cheat? if process is start from good..but ending is lose or so so...than is no meaning for who are wan sucesss....

anywhere if u found something is more better and stable and legal investment than swisscash....u pm mi...i vey interesting..(even slidely lower abit oso can)

Added on April 5, 2007, 10:17 amhow do u spit he money is clean or ditry??only salary all clean??haha...i did lie any ppl...as i say u invest with ur own risk...i am only sharing a good plan for u...but didnt force or lie u...undrstand?bout how bout the ppl in 4-5 years? for mi..paying rm 1k usd(rm3.5k)...take 7 month risk...get b 3k usd( rm 11k)..is very fair
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QUOTE(guowen221 @ Apr 5 2007, 11:11 AM)
bro..there are alot of business is didnt let u noe their address..if u brain still in tradisional place of course u can...u noe buki?(for ppl site bet)...before u bet..is them like u noe where are their nest?why?bcoz they are illegal and no tax....same like swisscash....i ididnt say it are legal man..pla see my reply again...it would b a mafia business oso(mayb)....but think...even if they have a register company than wat?they still can run away....rite?so wats matter u r so care bout that?bout that contact number...if i oredi get a big amount money...why i canot hire a ppl to received call to cheat u guy?so wats so important bout phone call?can u comfirm all investent are no risk?ya..mayb u are the guys who very care ur face and name...for mi...even though a guy in gangster but he always do a rite thing..i still consider he is a good guy...but u...he must b a clean and no record than only can b a good guy...as i say,i dont mind the process..wat i wan see is the result...did uncle lim are care all ppl losing money in genting?he make more maney but more ppl are losing money....nowsaday oso got many mlm company are only playing money and mo product..did u noe bout that?than how bout all the downline?most of time oso upline get rich...than downline being cheat? if process is start from good..but ending is lose or so so...than is no meaning for who are wan sucesss....

anywhere if u found something is more better and stable and legal investment than swisscash....u pm mi...i vey interesting..(even slidely lower abit oso can)

Added on April 5, 2007, 10:17 amhow do u spit he money is clean or ditry??only salary all clean??haha...i did lie any ppl...as i say u invest with ur own risk...i am only sharing a good plan for u...but didnt force or lie u...undrstand?bout how bout the ppl in 4-5 years? for mi..paying rm 1k usd(rm3.5k)...take 7 month risk...get b 3k usd( rm 11k)..is very fair
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post Apr 5 2007, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(guowen221 @ Apr 5 2007, 10:11 AM)
bro..there are alot of business is didnt let u noe their address..if u brain still in tradisional place of course u can...u noe buki?(for ppl site bet)...before u bet..is them like u noe where are their nest?why?bcoz they are illegal and no tax....
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Exactly my point. So now that we've established that swisscash is an illegal scam, now let's look at the other points that branches out of this one.

Basically the main danger r the huge numbers of ppl out there who actually believe that this thing is a genuine investment scheme, and not to mention as well, the amount of recruiters out there who will knowingly spread lies to their potential recruits that such and such investments r registered, accrediated and legitimate.

There's those gamblers who will invest knowingly, but such r only a small percentage. The bulk of the ppl who put their money in r those who had been deceived into thinking that it is a proper investment scheme, and most times deceived by those recruiters who actually know the whole story.

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 11:18 AM)
Your england is indeed powderful.  thumbup.gif
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No wonder he's only capable of doing what he's doing now (Whatever he's doing la to make $)
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post Apr 5 2007, 10:24 AM

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dear...
i agree ur words..coz may swisscash is like u say coz no one no the act...yup,act they are many investor oso understand this game rule...juz like they noe act go genting bet they loose per cent is higher than win....but wat is their brain think is they nid a chance...a chance to change their life,they rili dont mind scm or not..juz like if u see thy are some ppl drop wallet in floor,most os ppl will say:ai ppl der...must give back money at wallet to them..,but did all ppl will do tat??haha,i wont give back....lose or win..no any ppl noe...but i can say within tis 2 years...u still have 99% to win in swisscash...a


QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 09:03 AM)
Refer to my post # 55, if there are few cycles of repeat purchase from existing investors (could be millions of investors), there will be no victims.

If there is big group of investors to sustain the biz cycle, the money can keep flowing within the cycle without needing the new recruits.
Think about this.


Added on April 5, 2007, 9:06 am
I want to rephrase this, it's rolling money in the circle.
Yes, I think it's workable in SHORT RUN (3-5 years, may be).


Added on April 5, 2007, 9:15 am
Swisscash is not a registered company. It is not legal. And there are many reports against it. People aware of it.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=1299
http://ecommerce-journal.com/?q=node/1238

But, who cares? I think most of the Swisscash investors understand this is one underground money-rolling movement, which is freaking high risk.
In reality, Swisscash is still running solidly underground. People still pump in money into this underground movement. Who cares? The ultimate objective is they receive money in return. The money keeps multiplying and flowing in the circle underground.
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post Apr 5 2007, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(fyire @ Apr 5 2007, 10:21 AM)
Exactly my point. So now that we've established that swisscash is an illegal scam, now let's look at the other points that branches out of this one.

Basically the main danger r the huge numbers of ppl out there who actually believe that this thing is a genuine investment scheme, and not to mention as well, the amount of recruiters out there who will knowingly spread lies to their potential recruits that such and such investments r registered, accrediated and legitimate.

There's those gamblers who will invest knowingly, but such r only a small percentage. The bulk of the ppl who put their money in r those who had been deceived into thinking that it is a proper investment scheme, and most times deceived by those recruiters who actually know the whole story.
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Put it this way,

Commercial banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 3-5% return. We call it investment.

Underground banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 300% return. We call it scam.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 10:25 AM)
Put it this way,

Commercial banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 3-5% return. We call it investment.

Underground banks are using our money to earn money. We get back 300% return. We call it scam.
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Well, the reason why I use the word scam is:
- A pyramid scheme is unsustainable in the long run, which is contary to what such websites claim, of which I quantify as a scam
- Such websites r not a proper registered business, despite what they claim, of which I quantify as a scam

Basically, even should a commercial bank advertises something that is false, I would call it a scam. Why do you think there's tons of legal stuff and QC involved for anything related to finance at all? I mean, I'm involved in the Financial Data area, of which does not even touch the actual investments at all, but just specialized in the data that investors will make use of, and the legal related stuff r already that bad.
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sorry man i noe my english is poor...i noe only earn money..sorry sorry..coz my superstar not jay or jolin like u,,is uncle lim...sign oso do noe.still use finger to sign..haha..

QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 5 2007, 10:21 AM)
No wonder he's only capable of doing what he's doing now (Whatever he's doing la to make $)
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QUOTE(fyire @ Apr 5 2007, 10:30 AM)
Well, the reason why I use the word scam is:
- A pyramid scheme is unsustainable in the long run, which is contary to what such websites claim, of which I quantify as a scam
- Such websites r not a proper registered business, despite what they claim, of which I quantify as a scam

Basically, even should a commercial bank advertises something that is false, I would call it a scam. Why do you think there's tons of legal stuff and QC involved for anything related to finance at all? I mean, I'm involved in the Financial Data area, of which does not even touch the actual investments at all, but just specialized in the data that investors will make use of, and the legal related stuff r already that bad.
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I understand what you meant.

Like this Swisscash thing, people would not care if it's scam or not, as long as they get back their money. From the feedback of few members, Swisscash still seems running strong underground.

Anyway, the ultimate objective of investment is $$.


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Invest what you can afford. You take the risk, you pay the price.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 5 2007, 11:00 AM
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post Apr 5 2007, 04:23 PM

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Ismail said only first-time investors received high returns while those who stayed on for larger payouts suffered hefty losses.


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QUOTE(Ken @ Apr 5 2007, 04:23 PM)
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Who is Ismail? Philosopher? Economic guru?
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From the arguement posted. I can see no one deny it is a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid scheme survival is relied on the followers, Swisscash can last that long because there is still got followers joining. Basically it is a 'passing game', early bird feed on the followers. If there is no or not sufficient followers to feed the early bird then the scheme will collapse, so the last or latest followers lose all and the 'tauke' grab the most while early birds get some sweet from it.

Final conclusion, it is a pyramid scheme. That's all. I don't think it is worth to argue that so much.
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ya...not matter what investment...v oso invest the amount of our afford only...dont too over...respect to all ur guys opinoin...it has upgrade my knowlege...thanks.. rclxms.gif

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 10:51 AM)
I understand what you meant.

Like this Swisscash thing, people would not care if it's scam or not, as long as they get back their money. From the feedback of few members, Swisscash still seems running strong underground.

Anyway, the ultimate objective of investment is $$.
** A note to all investors **
Invest what you can afford. You take the risk, you pay the price.
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Added on April 5, 2007, 5:46 pmi am respect to all ppl are giving good opinion in this thread...but u...only say the rubbish..here are for ppl sharing opinion..if u like to teach ppl english pls go to tuition centre b teacher..no one interesting to see ur those useless reply in here...just like lalat...after ppl sharing thing tat add on some shit here.. vmad.gif

QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 5 2007, 10:19 AM)
Try invest in a proper written English course. It will help u in the long run. Do it for your children if you wish to have any. I can't imagine 15 years on there's a buncha teens "terrorizing" forums with your kind of English. brr... give me shivers even just to think of it. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 5 2007, 05:31 PM)
From the arguement posted. I can see no one deny it is a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid scheme survival is relied on the followers, Swisscash can last that long because there is still got followers joining. Basically it is a 'passing game', early bird feed on the followers. If there is no or not sufficient followers to feed the early bird then the scheme will collapse, so the last or latest followers lose all and the 'tauke' grab the most while early birds get some sweet from it.

Final conclusion, it is a pyramid scheme. That's all. I don't think it is worth to argue that so much.
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Wait, let me rephrase it.

All biz models require demand. The relation of supply VS demand.
If there is no demand - the biz dies naturally.
If there is no customer - close shop eventually.

Likewise, Swisscash scam requires suckers to pump in money in order to make the money flows.
Commercial banks require customers to pump in money too.

Irregardless of what type of biz, no customers - no bizness.

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: Apr 5 2007, 05:57 PM
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ya..agree wif u...no matter legal or unlegal..as long as is pyramid plan..always oso make 'late' ppl losing money...the most important is u have to rajin for built up ur group..and have to know when is the end date...isn't it? rclxms.gif

QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 5 2007, 05:31 PM)
From the arguement posted. I can see no one deny it is a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid scheme survival is relied on the followers, Swisscash can last that long because there is still got followers joining. Basically it is a 'passing game', early bird feed on the followers. If there is no or not sufficient followers to feed the early bird then the scheme will collapse, so the last or latest followers lose all and the 'tauke' grab the most while early birds get some sweet from it.

Final conclusion, it is a pyramid scheme. That's all. I don't think it is worth to argue that so much.
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QUOTE(guowen221 @ Apr 5 2007, 05:50 PM)
ya..agree wif u...no matter legal or unlegal..as long as is pyramid plan..always oso make 'late' ppl losing money...the most important is u have to rajin for built up ur group..and have to know when is the end date...isn't it? rclxms.gif
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First of all, I have to hail you for the powderful engris.

Okay, you speak of end date? Can you tell you how's the market demand now?
If it has got strong demand, I don't see how this illegal scam could fail.

Tell me about the demand and market prospect.
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yup...every business oso nid money or demand or customer... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif


QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 05:48 PM)
Wait, let me rephrase it.

All biz models require demand. The relation of supply VS demand.
If there is no demand - the biz dies naturally.
If there is no customer - close shop eventually.

Likewise, Swisscash scam requires suckers to pump in money in order to make the money flows.
Commercial banks require customers to pump in money too.

No customers - no bizness.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 04:27 PM)
Who is Ismail? Philosopher? Economic guru?
Source, please.
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oh, sorry

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Mon...icle/index_html
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act i am very close to my diredt upline..its call ee...is the 1st ppl join in swissash at malaysia...heshow mi his back office page jan 07 and feb 07 ....total group sale per month at jan(inlude oversea) is 6.8 million...and feb per month is 8.4 million...tis is a figure per month...
QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 5 2007, 05:55 PM)
First of all, I have to hail you for the powderful engris.

Okay, you speak of end date? Can you tell you how's the market demand now?
If it has got strong demand, I don't see how this illegal scam could fail.

Tell me about the demand and market prospect.
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