or maybe it's the other way around? get your mages shadow priests and warlocks to all l2play?

i've seen what a mutilate combat can do. who goes mutilate sub anyway? the dps was so slack that the rogues didnt even think that mutilate is an option for raids. well maybe i cant entirely blame you, you havent have good dpsers to compare yourself to in your guild.

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Added on April 10, 2007, 1:42 pmon a more construtive post, yes i've seen the way awake plays...
he uses flash heals an awful lot during magtheridon. there are many reasons why i believe holy spam is much more useful instead.

firstly i would say that magtheridon deals for around 3-4k dmg on a good tank, prob reach a good 6k crushing etc. basically magtheridon isn't a big tank fight, but more of a raid fight, where every single member of the raid has to know what to do and do it at the right time be in the right position etc etc. you get the picture.

what awake and the other healers in the guild were doing is just topping up, the heals on magtheridon. spot heals are minimal if you cancel his aoe correctly. and if you noticed most of his big heals goes to those who controls the nodes, the dmg ticks per sec isn't anything you can scoff at. (note : this information are from what i've seen on the video, i notice that there are spike dmgs on the tank himself as well, but i assume those are lucky crushings)

why i use holy light instead is to keep the light's grace buff up on me all the time. yeah i would like to throw in some flash heals once in a while, but do you think that playing at 800 ms allows me actually switch between both heals conveniently while keeping light's grace up and actually be ready for a big spike dmg, yes probably... but 50ms would have a much better advantage in that department no?

another reason is that, i'm the main tank healer in kara runs and for maulgar and gruul, those fights are practically tank reliant. maulgar's arcing smash hits for 10k followed by other atks which leads to major dmg spikes. gruul, his hateful strike hits for 9k after a certain growth and much harder on the tank when he gets a lucky crushing, and factor in the unlucky cave ins on your melee its gona hurt bad.

i would rather over heal than take chances, of a short heal that leads to wipes in my raid (if you care so much about overhealing you shouldn't be on a pally). it's the least i could do, as i have admitted i still lack a lot in terms of skills when it comes to pally healing (just 2 weeks of trading the char with my brother, i didnt even know how to properly use blessing of freedom, lol). my crit on holy lights stands at 30%, so mana was never a problem to me. i also have divine illumination and burn it whenever the cd is up. 3 mana pots is more than sufficient if you time and burn the cooldowns early. that's without a shadow priest in my group. i just switch between ranks. as it stands now my flash heals heal for 1.5k, and my rank 4 holy light is about 2.8k only a bol target. once costs about 150 mana the other about 380. not much of a difference if you ask me.

on a side note, flash heals are insane combined with prayer book trinkets, that's prob one of the reasons why awake use lots of flash heals.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 10 2007, 01:42 PM

ive said it, if ur rogues are below mages and locks, they should l2p or reroll. cant accept the fact that rogues are still dominant in pve dps, then stick with ur crappy rogue, your call.

and theres this awesome thing call pvp, mut sub is for pvp. if pvp aint your thing, again, your problem, not mine. i have the gold to spec back and forth and i dont have problem with so. i dont blame either because you kept using crappy rogues, that in fact isnt even your rogue, to compare against me.

for constructive post:
yes you have 800ms lag you have a disadvantage, but the fact that you started off claiming flash of light is total rubbish while beforehand dragging guilds like nihilum in is really irony at its best.

ive never claimed that overhealing is bad and everything, i merely pointed an example that holy light takes some time to cast, and its pala's big heal, and would lead to overhealing at the same time casting slow, where an option said paladin would have is flash, which would heal faster, and provide a better constant streaming. to give a better general idea, you can probably ask restore druids regarding their big heal, it is really pathetic when it comes to raiding because it takes too long to cast and when it does, its usually being overheal as someone else already topped it, downranking or not.

and i say you need to research on pallies a lil more before you embarass yourself any more. pally's big heals are only 2 secs... compared to flash heals of 1.5 secs... need i say more?

thus my suggestion still stands, flash heals are not meant for raids where heals are heavy. only the rare few have actually been able to put flash heals to good use and im not one of them. and also pally flash healings were rarely used almost at a nil back in naxx days. flash heal = free healings yes, sufficient healings no.


and no your dpsers need to very much learn how to play, if a rogue beats locks, sps and mages in dps. it's a sad fact which you very much have to accept. and i'm not the only one here agreeing on that.

This post has been edited by sets84: Apr 11 2007, 06:34 AM

Downranked HL vs FOL is based on individual preference. FOL is not totally useless. It is still the most mana efficient heal of the paladin. I switch between FOL, HL rank 11, and HL rank 9 in raids. However, I do admit that I do prefer using downranked HL in most cases because of the 6% crit talent (28% holy spell crit total +1300 healing will make rank9 crit for 5.1k+).

ur suggestions or not, the fact there is no absolution that h-light is 100% better than flash of light still stands, if you continue on with this ignorance, your the one embarrassing urself, go ahead, not my loss.

funny you even point out flash heals can be put to good use and still you continue to babble on with this nonsense, serious hypocrit right there.

and if ur still headstrong on rogues arent top dps'ers, then you'll be very disappointed with the majority of the high end guilds, like ur beloved nihilum, or maybe DNT(considering how much you like to hold their peens). perhaps, they recruited a buncha noob mages/locks/spriests, l2p for them then.

nub talk. so, enjoy with ur days with pally.

maybe. we cleared curator up to chest event(some idiot start again after we done n got silence n pull n wipe )
with flask brillian oil n some mana pot. i found it no problem at all. beside a shaman got kick out from raid coz of his sissy heal. < "A" not "ALL">

im not trying to argue priest can do the job either. im just want to say, stop discriminated with pally vs priest stuff. action > speak.

regards.
Frostmourne alliance strawberryx.





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lol bliss bliss, u came blaze city last nite to find ur senbo kaki ar?

Lol just met some of them... you were to busy to layan me also la...zzz hai~~~

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Added on April 11, 2007, 10:48 amAnd wth...my recruitment thread turned into a healing debate. Good job

This post has been edited by Bliss8099: Apr 11 2007, 10:48 AM

Hmmm... I have heard rumblings that some raid groups heading into Karazhan do not bring in pallies at all. Mind you, it was the Horde group that said this and not the Alliance side. Could be that Horde players are still trying to get used to playing with Pallies still.

On the Alliance side, have heard that Shammies are going either full elemental or resto, although it's mostly the latter. Enhancement Shammies are not so loved, kinda like the Ret Pallies.

It could just be personal preference since hybrid classes aren't easy to gear up or to play.

having a pally in kara really helps a lot! Moroes comes to mind where u can help clear 1 or 2 garrote instead of HOT-ing it thru. If it's on the pally himself it'll be even better coz he can invul out of it. But blessings do really help as a whole

well, i'll definitely ask him when i see him next. his guild is on a different server though so i seldom see him. they've cleared kara w/o paladins and are already doing Gruul.

dont worry, its free bumps

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Added on April 11, 2007, 12:24 pmi dont bring pallies to my guild too. why? cant get any QQ

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yes, moroes with pally = ownage
blessings = mega sex

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 11 2007, 12:25 PM

consortium rep ma............ u didnt tell me u'll come also. scare me when mouming hit my chair

lol... this proof they r good in hijaked

dont say hijack, free bumps, supporting their recruitment

I don't need no free bumps... being sarcastic is just plain ridiculous

not really being sarcastic, it is free bumps afterall.