I didn't know that..hahaha...

Well the thing is, aside from this Ukraine matter which is not really an end of the world matter, don't understand why you need to be rude towards me.

I mean, I don't know, if you are a christian and you think it's alright to exhibit this sort of attitude, I just find that puzzling.

Didn't Christ said to Love your brothers? If you claim to Love God and yet hate your brother, according to God, you would be a liar.

And you attack me as well as my devotions, telling me it's wrong (to which I disagree) and all that, I would presume you are Christian since it interest you.

And yet you don't act like one.

What is going on?

* The thing is, I just don't like it if another fellow (so to speak is a Christian) and attacks another Christian. That is just wrong, before another fellow human being and before God. The reason why I say this is because we all have our individual life in this world. Are we not to respect one another? Because if you do this in real life, this is how Fight and Quarrelling starts among people.

I mean sure this is a forum, maybe you think, it's safe to here without the fear of being confronted in real life. But if you do things like this before another person in real life and if you do this to a wrong guy, you may get punched in the face from people you don't know. Truth is, we are all here but we don't really know one another in real life.

The reason why I'm bringing this up with you is because I don't think it's right for a Christian to attack one another. This is what happened to the corinthians and they got rebuke for it because its wrong. I mean wrong is wrong. You don't need to justify for it. If you're doing the same thing, bringing division if not exhibiting a bitter spirit and spewing hate, that is just plain wrong, regardless.
Don't think just because this is a forum, it means that you can do whatever you want, God doesn't see things like this, or it's not real, just a forum so don't have to care, I can say whatever I want, do whatever I want.

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tinarhian

Tagging you, what do you think?

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2017, 09:41 AM

I want closure on this and I am very serious.

shioks, I've asked you a question and you did not answer few pages back.
desmond2020, as Above.

I forgave both of you, for the wrong, you've done towards me but I feel you have not forgiven me by your never ending attack towards (in and out).

Didn't God says this?
Matthew 6:15 (NIV) - But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

I take Matthew 6:15 quite seriously, I don't know if it bodes the same for both of you. But i think it's only right to deal with this and not run away. I'm not running away, I'll be here because I want closure. I'm not too adamant to think that I cannot be wrong, I can accept that I am wrong if you can prove me wrong.

Honestly I am quite clueless as to what am I being attack for. Don't force or presume or put what you think is right down my throat. You have to give me some room of respect that I may right and you could be wrong as well. But if you're the type who think you're perfectly correct and everyone else is usually wrong, then you have become the very problem you accuse me of.

God wants unity among his children, regardless even if there is difference among our doctrine.

If we keep on fighting and devouring one another, we will destroy each other.

Galatians 5:14-16 - …

14 The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
15 But if you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out, or you will be consumed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

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It's up to you, we can settle this while we are here on earth and let there be a closure or you can settle it before God on judgement day. I've done my part to reach out to both of you. I don't think we should be enemies in any way. But all this insults, mocking has to stop, it's not going to help you.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2017, 09:59 AM

Lmao


A lot of hate in that fellow

Not Hate but Hurt

Hate means I would have Hated you and attack you persistently with name callings and labelling like Self proclaimed pastor, calling other people as stupid or silly, would have look at the person in negativity, thinking of the worse but I don't.

It's no point for you to attack what I teaches if you yourself don't even follow what Christ ask of you when it comes to treating your fellow brethren. Sorry if I say this bluntly but it's hypocrite.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2017, 11:48 AM

What did bible say about the way to treat a FAKE TEACHER?

 

2 Peter 2:1-3 ESV / 329 helpful votes HelpfulNot Helpful

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

Romans 16:17 ESV / 271 helpful votes

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.

1 John 4:1 ESV / 261 helpful votes

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 Timothy 4:3 ESV / 197 helpful votes

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,

Matthew 7:15-20 ESV / 183 helpful votes

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ...

1 John 4:1-3 ESV / 176 helpful votes

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

2 John 1:7-11 ESV / 145 helpful votes

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

Colossians 2:8 ESV / 141 helpful votes

See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 ESV / 138 helpful votes

O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

Galatians 1:8 ESV / 108 helpful votes

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 ESV / 104 helpful votes

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 ESV / 94 helpful votes

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

2 Peter 2:1 ESV / 92 helpful votes

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Matthew 7:15 ESV / 89 helpful votes

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

John 14:6 ESV / 80 helpful votes

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Revelation 22:18 ESV / 79 helpful votes

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,

Romans 16:17-18 ESV / 79 helpful votes

I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

Acts 17:11 ESV / 77 helpful votes

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

1 Timothy 4:1-2 ESV / 75 helpful votes

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,

Titus 3:9 ESV / 73 helpful votes

But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

Acts 20:29 ESV / 73 helpful votes

I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;

1 Timothy 6:3-5 ESV / 69 helpful votes

If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

Jude 1:4 ESV / 68 helpful votes

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:3 ESV / 63 helpful votes

Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

John 8:44 ESV / 62 helpful votes

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Matthew 24:24 ESV / 59 helpful votes

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV / 58 helpful votes

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Matthew 24:11 ESV / 58 helpful votes

And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

Ephesians 4:14 ESV / 56 helpful votes

So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.

Galatians 1:6-9 ESV / 54 helpful votes

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV / 53 helpful votes

Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Hebrews 13:9 ESV / 50 helpful votes

Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.

Jeremiah 14:14 ESV / 50 helpful votes

And the Lord said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds.

Acts 20:29-30 ESV / 49 helpful votes

I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

2 Timothy 4:1-22 ESV / 48 helpful votes

I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. ...

1 Timothy 1:3-4 ESV / 45 helpful votes

As I urged you when I was going to Macedonia, remain at Ephesus so that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.

John 14:26 ESV / 44 helpful votes

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Matthew 6:1-4 ESV / 43 helpful votes

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

1 John 4:1-6 ESV / 42 helpful votes

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. ...

1 Timothy 1:18-20 ESV / 42 helpful votes

This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Mark 13:22 ESV / 42 helpful votes

For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Matthew 7:21-23 ESV / 41 helpful votes

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

2 Timothy 2:16-18 ESV / 40 helpful votes

But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.

Ephesians 5:11 ESV / 40 helpful votes

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.

Ephesians 5:6 ESV / 40 helpful votes

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

2 Timothy 2:15 ESV / 39 helpful votes

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

Matthew 24:4-5 ESV / 39 helpful votes

And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

2 Peter 2:2 ESV / 38 helpful votes

And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.

Okay tell me, which part that I teach is heresy?

I remembered I've explained everything you threw (everyone of them) the last time.

I would appreciate if you can be honest and reply back instead of just throwing other people's article, tell me in your own words.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2017, 12:55 PM

Damn hypocrite


Guess which liar report my post earlier


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No you didn't explain


You just delete post



Man that is awesome

So pastor, I suggest you go find a good shrink and take some pill will You?

I didn't report your recent post, you can verify with the Mods if you don't believe me. See the problem with you, is that you assume, and you know what assume stands for, isn't it?

No I did. I've counter the long list of article you took from other writers. Everyone of them and you reported my post.

Look, just because you throw the word "Fake Teacher" does not automatically mean the person is a fake teacher. Because if that is true, anyone can simple label something on others and it will be true.
That is not how it works in this world.

You Got to explain how, in what way, what sentences, which part.

You didn't do any of it in your own words.

So if you think I'm not being fair, here I am giving you a chance to explain yourself. It should be easy for you to explain since you probably understood every article you took elsewhere. For me I can re-explain if you can provide your refutation. I'll promise you, there will be no deletion since this is a closure for me. It's either you are in error or I am. So go ahead, prove me wrong.

Edit: I want closure on this.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 13 2017, 03:42 PM

UW, it is wrong that you deleted Desmond comments too. He is not partially wrong. But, Desmond, you don't have to respond rudely to UW too.

If this is in real life, both of you don't have to be a behave like a bitch about it.

We have a German saying, "Taten sagen mehr als worte." It mean "actions speak more than words."

Both of you should move from this. I don't want to spend my time reading about all this nonsense on a public forum. If one of you is still bitter, then ask youself why are you still bitter?

If Desmond still think UW is a "fake teacher", then explain with proof how is he a fake teacher? Honestly, I didn't know if UW is faking it all this time. Explain in details, don't just say he is a fake teacher. Don't assume or falsely accuse.

You know I don't side with anybody.

So who the heck reported to the mods?

I honestly dont know what is the issues with both of you. I gathered its about the prosperity gospel, Ukraine Christianity persecution, etc..

Bloody wankers to both of you. Give it a rest la...

You mean up to now you do not know what UW is all about?
I mean come on. I thought you only supported him despite him being what he is all this while since you have already establish a kind of bondage with him.
I mean if you cannot even tell what UW is about, then I am pretty shocked because in the real world, scammers are normally not that blatant.
Most of the people who frequent the lowyat forum knows exactly what he is like and yet up to now you do not know it.
I mean I thought you would have sense it after being here for a while and the only reason why you are still here is because you just want to maintain the relationship with him that's all. Similar to say an outsider who knows that something is wrong but yet is not willing to get involved.

In fact you can already tell in that post of his intention. I mean he actually said if this happened in real life, someone may have gotten punched. Do you think someone who is a Christian never mind someone who is supposed to be in Christian leadership should say those kind of things? So is he implying that he does not appreciate people pointing out his faults to him. You mean I have to actually point you the obvious before you actually realized it?

So what more does it has to take before you realize the obvious.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Oct 14 2017, 06:21 AM

Hi Tina, thanks for your feedback.

I've already admitted this on my part in post #493, that is Oct 9. Like I said before, I'm not all that adamant to admit I cannot be wrong.

But what I refuse to accept is as what you said, for this slanderous label of fake teacher.

I've given him a chance to explain himself in his own words how, not pull in article of other people's writing which is completely irrelevant to any of my devotion. There is no connection whatsoever.
problem with Desmond is that he rush read my devotion, doesn't read it in detail and straight away spill out "fake teacher", that to me is something very careless of him if not irresponsible.

With that being said, if he cannot prove this, then He is certainly not qualify to accuse this any longer.

Funny thing is, that Ukraine Christianity persecution is meant to and suppose to encourage all our bro n sis in Christ.

but instead of seeing that purpose, this desmond guy used to attack the person who post it though not a big issue to really attack.

It's usually the case that whenever someone accuse others of "so much hate" it's a big irony of 1 finger pointing at others, while 3 fingers point back to himself.

Please, I'm not a noob to support anybody in a public forum. In the real world, for such a remarks, people could consider that as defamation, people could sue one another.

Ok so its very obvious to you and others. Well, didn't I told you to do something about it? Instead of telling us about it here on a public forum.

IDK about Malaysia cyber laws but in the USA, there's a thing called Communications Decency Act Section 230 which protect forum owners.

But the immunity is lost when the forum moderator or owner makes a defamatory statement. LOL

In Germany the defamation laws are very strict. If you called someone a "Pig" or "Nazi", you will get sued and go to jail.

Same goes if a person makes a defamatory remarks online, they can get sued if in Germany.

So too bad UW you are not in Germany. LOL

Well I'm not on lowyat forum 24/7, nobody got so much time like UW. LOL

So even if I know UW is a scammer, fake teacher, etc..I have to gather evidence, etc to confront him in real life, don't I?

The only obvious thing is everyone is an online keyboard warrior anyway. LOL

Maybe Desmond is a young guy in his 20s. Too much hormones. So he need to purge it all out on you. LOL

I'm just joking Desmond. I'm just assuming anyway.

Dude, so where does last finger go?

Well IDK how people points at another person in Malaysia, but come to think of it, the thumb is "pointing" at that person too. LOL


This post has been edited by tinarhian: Oct 14 2017, 11:06 AM

I think people nowadays lacked empathy or a trigger happy bunch of Talibans. Not accusing anybody here. I'm just making a generalized statement.

How many years did this Christianity thread started anyway? more than 6 years I assumed. Probably 2 version in one calendar year. LOL

Well some people don't know the meaning of "fellowship" anyway. Heck even the LOTR fellowship had issues!

Sylar,

FYI, I don't have "bondage" relationship with UW.

You know I disagree with him most of the time. LOL

Ah you remarked how UW posts were just as when he first started posting on lowyat forum.

You do know people changed; either for better or worst. If he's pretending then its between him and God.

Come on man, 10 years ago he's probably a badass m@#$. But now (after marriage), he matured and less of a badass? LOL



This post has been edited by tinarhian: Oct 14 2017, 11:23 AM

lol bondage.

that guy is really.....paranoid.

Never seen someone who is quite obsessed with what I do or say.




This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Oct 14 2017, 11:40 AM