Good morning...
May I ask? If the questions are not appropriate for discussion, I beg TS to delete them.
I am not Christian but I did read some passages of Bible for self interest.

1) Who documented the book of Genesis since humans only created on day 6? How about day 1 to 5 since there is no human that have witness the incident and documented the history.

2) In the Bible, God said the earth, plants, living things, animals, humans etc were created in the course of just 6 days. However, scientists has proven that dinosaurs have roam the earth for at least 200k years before human ever existed. So which is which?

On the other hand, those archaeologists also have evidence that humans evolved from apes and it take thousands if not million of years of evolution before we become real humans today. But the Bible stated that Adam and Eve were just created by God's hand... I am confuse which is which...

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So butthurt over your own presumption.

You forgot, you made many enemies out of your own aggressive attitude towards others.
Ownself problem but want to blame me.

Really stupified amazing.

If you say you are a Pastor, then walk away from this.
Is this not also what Jesus asked His disciples to do so?
Matthew 10:14, "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet."

Do remember that the entire journey of a christian is to be more Christ-like.. which means acting like one too.

James 1:19,20 "Wherefore, my beloved brethen, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God".

Personally, i think you should answer lesser with your words but with God's word.
Because its not biblical when you dont keep your eyes upon God as the final destination of whatever you want to discuss.

No I'm not a pastor, they say that just to spite me out of being sarcastic.

I Prefer to be known more of a laity.

But you are right, these days I don't bother much with whatever nonsense they spew out, just to correct where it is necessary but not more than that.

LoL, I do not mean creation. I mean evolution.
Why did the Bible says it's a creation and takes just 6 days while natural beings are evoluted through million of years with scientific proof.

And that day I got one Christian friend told me got my Bible sentence says "Water turns into wine" and "Egypt river (it not mistaken, is Nile) turns into blood". I mean Science already proven this can't be done.

hi MPIK,

great questions you have asked.
1) If you look at what the Bible says at 2 Timothy 3:16,
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Basically, the entire Bible is written by more than 40 people over a period of 1500 years. Then back to your question, how do people write what they cant see or experience. I can only tell you its because God revealed to them. And then you might ask, how accurate it is? all this can be concluded by just one thing. How true is the Bible? the entire Bible is written by 40 over people from different era of time, different locations, and yet, are able to consistently write and talk about the same them, which is Jesus Christ.
So when it is said, God inspired men to write about Genesis, christians accept this by faith, by plain trust. Because the Bible says so. and the through personal experiences, we know the Bible is true and is the way God speaks with us.

2) Although it is not written as dinosaurs, but in the past (old testaments of the Bible), it is once written that Giants lived on Earth. In multiple places of the Bible, these Giants are recorded. Genesis 14:5-7, Genesis 14:13, Numbers 13:29, numbers 13:32, etc..
So it is true that even in the Bible, it is written about the existence of giant sizes.. But when you're talking about evolution, evidences of evolution are merely dotting it back to a singular source.. means humans are from the source of apes.. but what did the Bible say? Bible says that God is the creator of all things. Which is logical that evolution evidences should dot humans to apes. because after all, all are dotted back to the same ONE source. Means both, apes , humans, can be similar. Evolution theory in fact states that even other animals or creatures have similar dotted sources but due to the environmental conditions, separated their further formations. hence, if you see all creatures, we have the similar baby stage form. There is no way for us to know how Adam and Eve were created, and once again, this is also accepted by faith. When we're talking about carbon dating, i can only assume this from the Bible. There was a great flood. There is no saying on how this great flood affected the entire world's carbon dating. Carbon dating can also be affected by various other factors which may seem to speed up or slow down the readings.

Your Christian friend is half right lols.
Science has proven a lot that can't be done in the past but is possible now.. in a way, Science is merely something we do not understand and is defined until we understand it.

Now back to water turning into wine.. this is a miracle made by Jesus when He was in a wedding.
During Jesus time, He did a lot of miracles.. All this miracles we may not understand the significance of it..
but for Israelites, these miracles are signs that Jesus is the Son of God.. He did these miracles to also fulfill the prophecy of the Bible (old testament)
The Bible in a way is also like a history book because these incidents did take place in the past.

But more importantly if you ask me are not the miracles that Jesus did, it is the prophecies that the Bible said.
The Bible (old testament) Prophecies have been fulfilled by Jesus. some prophecies also came true after Jesus. Now there are a lot of prophecies in the old testament and new testament but these prophecies are about our future which even today we can see it is becoming very possible.. if the Bible is true, and speaks about what will happen to those who have sin in their life, then what can we do to pay for these sins..

Does it matter what you can be known as? Laity, pastor, or whatever. In the end of the day, we have our responsibility as Christians, as a candle on a lampstick.

James 4:11, "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge."

Unless you are perfect by the law, then judge. But we all are sinners saved by grace. Who are we to judge but only by Jesus Christ and God's words.

James 5:19-20, "
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

Isn't this what God has commanded us to do. to communicate and to do it with charity (love). I'm sure you know how Paul commanded the Corinthians to do it with love in Corinthians.. and how meaningless it will be without it.

This post has been edited by zanness: Oct 19 2017, 10:36 AM

Hence why I said you were right.

There's no evil spoken of.

Nobody has ever or can observed evolution over millions of years, so what scientific proof is there?

I have to agree with Thomas.

Science is at best predicting what is the most plausible explanation for the beginning but that doesn't mean it's actually what it was.

A miracle happens when God suspends natural law so the supernatural can happen.

How can natural science proof the supernatural?

Just wanna add, a scientically provable miracle is called magic

This post has been edited by thomasthai: Oct 19 2017, 11:21 AM

One thing to remember for both Christians and anyone checking out the Bible is that... it's not written by scientists.

The 6 days could mean literal days, or an era in time, or steps of creation. Which is it? For them it's not important. What's important is the order of said creation and who made it.

Now, poetic writing also don't equate to being 'falsified'. Like for example if someone said 'the sun shines like gold' doesn't mean the 'the sun is gold'. It's correct, just not direct.

This post has been edited by Sophiera: Oct 19 2017, 03:19 PM

zanness

which church you go to?

I went to an independent baptist church... which very unlikely you've heard of before.. Bible Baptist Church

I beg to differ,
When God wrote on Genesis 6 days and got rested on the seventh, it literally meant so.
Most Lutherans would take this out of context and claim that it is an era but when you dig deeper in into the original language of the Genesis, and also cross reference it with new testaments and other verses in the Bible,
you will realize God meant 6 days.
Exodus 20:11
Hebrews 4:4
Exodus 31:17

and with reference to poetic writing, i believe God meant ALL SCRIPTURE in
2 Timothy 3:16 and not SOME scripture..
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

I believe that when God wrote clearly certain locations, and certain places, He meant it so.
Revelation 22:19
" And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"

Just because God's prophecies have yet to take place, we should not claim it will not.. Else, we contradict ourselves in faith, altering God's word to suit our human believes?

It is best we take God's word seriously... word by word..

We should give God glory and not undermine it..

This post has been edited by zanness: Oct 19 2017, 05:43 PM

You are failing to take into account that there are three main forms of writing in the Bible: Narrative, Poetry, Discourse.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oUXJ8Owes8E

Paul's letters are all Discourses, hence why they're direct arguments. Genesis is not a discourse but rather a narrative.

If you want to go on the supposition that recognizing the existence of literary styles is "suiting to human beliefs", then i ask the same back to you: are we not imposing our human standards in an even more blatant manner by insisting on our modern understanding?

Genesis is intentionally vague. It's a recognized form of narrative according to the Hebrews. They're inspired words of God crafted with art.

For them what kind of Day is not important. What's important for the authors was the creation process and how God relates to us.

You are right to say it has different forms of writing.
there are parables where in the 4 Gospels Jesus would use.
But as showed above, Bible states its days.

The Bible was written by men inspired by God. And hence, God used parables for our understanding. Comparisons for our applications.
So i think I'm lost with your claims of imposing human standards.
There are a lot that 'human standards' are unable to explain.

I think it may sound narrative when reading other versions of the Bible. But reading the KJV version will give you a different picture
and to be honest.. what is important, from the creation of Genesis, is related to a lot..
it is related to Jesus Christ. In fact, the whole Bible is.


This post has been edited by zanness: Oct 19 2017, 06:21 PM

Trying to understand God's word as it is..word by word literally also falls into danger of reading it from the flesh.

God's word is spirit, not alphabet letters.

It has to be understood in revelation by Holy Spirit and every scripture must be understood under the light of New Covenant, more especially in Christ because the Bible is all about God's son.

In the OT...there are many hidden revelation of Pre-incarnated Christ.

I can give you a very good example.

The Sacrifice of Isaac. Do you think God actually was talking about Isaac being Sacrifice?

He is actually talking about his coming Son Messiah. When Isaac was carrying the wood up to the mountain, that is a picture of Christ.