Thank you Pehkay.

Welcome bro. do join in.

i guess you are talking about saving faith and not 'lukewarm' faith as described in book of revelation. well, if those lukewarm faith is possible

Lukewarm is a condition of a defeated SAVED believers

This is why the charge to overcome!

In verses 15 and 16 the Lord says, “I know your works (living), that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am about to vomit you out of My mouth.”

We are like this. There a times the Lord wants us to be absolute but we shrink back. You cannot say I am a back-slidded cold believers who no longer meeting with church ... but you are still there in the church ... who lost his first, burning love and lived a routine old church life, thinking of your past glories and attainments.

Need to revived by being fanning our spirit into flame and be hotly in love with the Lord




This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 8 2018, 09:13 AM

BTW Pehkay

The hot and cold and this lukewarm was in reference to the water irrigation system of that place.

Because if one were to think about it, how can being cold is acceptable....

that sounds fair enough. as what described in parable of vineyard workers and penitent thief. all saved will receive eternal life but reward varies

Yes. Yes. This understanding solved the parables of the 10 virgins, talents, narrow way etc.

Like I mentioned before, Hebrews become a new book if you have this understanding.

XD

I think Stanley Porter (American academic specializing in New Testament studies) made some comments on it

I think his conclusion was:



It could be the Lord sovereignly prepared a church that in a city that is suffering from the same condition and also provide a spiritual "imagery" ...

Food for thought

btw lodiceans is a pretty well off church because of textile industry in that city if I am not mistaken









well

Thank you and hello there.

By faith we are saved. The process is sanctification then justification.

1Corinthians6:10

Is there for a reason.

They are ... I think. Hemer speculates that the parellel conditions are like these:

poverty/gold to Laodicea as a banking centre;

blindness/salve to Laodicea as a medical centre;

nakedness/clothing to a centre of the woollen industry;

The text do show somewhat ... they think they are rich


Also, it was speculated that the Laodiceans had no natural springs for fresh water or at least not enough for their growing population, they likely were forced to pipe in whatever water they could. And this
water was probably transported to them lukewarm from the two near regions Hierapolis (hot water) and Colossae (cold water) ...

This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 8 2018, 10:02 AM

Hello, .... no really I was trying to raise a point which I did with desmond.

You are right about the sanctification ....

On the one hand, the Bible speaks of justification before sanctification (Rom. 6:19). But on the other hand, there is a sense in which sanctification comes first and justification follows (1 Cor. 6:11). In this sense, God's justification must go according to the standard of sanctification. If we are not sanctified, then we cannot be justified.

But if to be really strict about it ..... there are 3 aspects:

The Spirit's sanctification in seeking the God-chosen people before their repentance (1 Pet. 1:2).
The sanctification by the blood of Christ at the time of the believers' believing (Heb. 13:12; 9:13-14; 10:29).
The Spirit's dispositional / inward sanctification in the believers' full course of their Christian life (Rom. 15:16b; 6:19, 22).

I like what you said about defeated saved believer in reference to our Lord mentioning spitting the person out of his mouth as on the surface reading tend to interpret that as losing salvation.

From what I understand...Our God is not in the habit of trying to get people condemned or lose their salvation.

There is another reference of this similar incident where our Lord Jesus told Peter that if he didn't allowed Him to wash his feet, he will have no part with him. (John 13:8)

That I believe is in reference to having no part in the ministry. It is no part "with" Him vs "In" Him, that makes the context a huge difference.

https://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah

Just sharing a great article that shows the accuracy of the account of genesis.

Would be good if all of us can share some great books to encourage each other. (but no joseph prince please :

In every generation, almost every preacher has been criticized one way or another.

From Billy Graham, John McArthur, John Piper...even if there's one preacher which is generally well accepted by some people, he/she will have someone in his/her church to criticize.

It's a never ending cycle and I see that as the problem of being human in the flesh. What you deemed as heretic may not be to someone else.

You may not agree with me but I think the right Christian trait for this matter is not to judge anyone, let God be the rightful Judge.

Because the moment you do that, you've just step into the problem of having a critical spirit which will lead to other problems....being hard on people, demeaning, insulting, doing so much sarcastic remark on people.

For me that is hypocritical in a way when one fight so much propagating works but never put the practise on ownself. Whenever someone post a long winded post on condemning some preacher (whoever it is) I just ignore it, throw it in the rubbish bin.

Wouldn't want any dirt...it's not edifying.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Feb 8 2018, 11:11 AM

How do you propose we deal with people who preach a different gospel and a different christ?

I've seen a couple of his sermons before, he might think he's preaching christ, but I believe every preacher of God's word must be measured against the bible.

Call the false teachers out and let all believers measure them against the bible.

Sorry if ive offended you buddy.

Not only that .... usually I don't read matter of salvation to the foot washing ... but the Lord's word to Peter after he nonsensically went to one extreme ... XD

Verse 10 says, "Jesus said to him, He who is bathed has no need except to wash his feet, but is wholly clean."

Those who are bathed refers to the baptism (Acts 22:16).

Although we Christians are bathed once only (We are eternally saved), the Bible shows us that foot-washing happens many times.

We are bathed only once, and all our sins are washed. But it takes many foot-washings to wash away all the dirt while living on earth and coming into contact with the world every day (1 John).

This post has been edited by pehkay: Feb 8 2018, 01:19 PM

wow


finally see a Christian version of jangan persoal


well


now Matthew 7:1 is perhaps the most abuse or butchered bible verse. some people will just read that one verse out of that chapter while ignoring the inconvenient Matthew 7:15-20




This post has been edited by desmond2020: Feb 8 2018, 02:01 PM

The major problem with u other than prosperity burger is your last few paragraphs. When was the last time you read bible or look into the mirror?

No not specifically referring to you brother.

I don't think there will ever be good solution to this.

I mean, If Billy Graham can be called Satanic/heretic by some people...how do you solved that? Now I don't really follow Billy Graham but I know many people got saved through his ministry. You might be okay with Billy Graham but there are others who don't. You might be okay with your favourite preacher but in your Church, there could be others who don't.

Well the point is, everyone has their own favourite preacher or teacher....when we start comparing one another..who is right, who is wrong....that is 1 sign we are immature.

I understand where you are coming from but for me it's should be a matter if internal discernment to judge, We can advise, hey you know the Bible says it like this, what do you think.....? Rather than to publicly incriminate anyone..that to me is un-christ like.