err...

UG = Utricularia Graminifolia

also known as chendol plant. heh.. no worries. i also dunno what is it actually last time. just asked because normally people expecially person like me, lazy to type the actual scientific name. just use short form. to be honest, i always have a hard time to pronounce them. LOL~!!!!

This post has been edited by usermode: Apr 21 2009, 05:46 PM

wah its nice...is it for btm ground?how much u wanna sell it let me know i want sell it cheap cheap plsss

Hi all, i need some advice from sifoos to the below.
1. Is power sand a must for the setup?
2. If Bacter 100, Clear Super, Tourmaline BC, Penac P&W, how long does the ADA soil able to free from fertilizing?

yeah zangetsu bro, it's for foreground plant AND also it can be attached to woods like moss. they can grow both way too. how much im gonna sell it....not really sure yet... LOL~! i will tell later. but sure will cheaper than you can get from LFS (well, it's kinda hard to get also from LFS).

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Added on April 21, 2009, 10:56 pm@ariesto

1) nope. it's NOT a must. but it's always better to have it. it DOES gives a visible effects. i got 2 tanks without power sand and without those 5 trace elements. so far, everything grows well also but there's always different when u have and dont have it tho.

2) dun quite understand...what do you mean "free" from fertilizing? u mean the fertilizer gone from the soil? well.. IME, i'll just put again those elements on my next major rescape after i teared down the scape as long the scape is there, dont need to dig back your soil just to put back those trace.

p/s : i just help u answer based on my experience only and since im online atm right after u post ...u better dont rely much on my answer. huhuhu...wait for those sifoo like yu jin, drew, or nezumitaro comes in to clarify on that.

This post has been edited by usermode: Apr 21 2009, 11:00 PM

As promised here is the draft scape i had in mind...
comment & criticize are welcome


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Added on April 21, 2009, 10:56 pm@ariesto

1) nope. it's NOT a must. but it's always better to have it. it DOES gives a visible effects. i got 2 tanks without power sand and without those 5 trace elements. so far, everything grows well also but there's always different when u have and dont have it tho.

2) dun quite understand...what do you mean "free" from fertilizing? u mean the fertilizer gone from the soil? well.. IME, i'll just put again those elements on my next major rescape after i teared down the scape as long the scape is there, dont need to dig back your soil just to put back those trace.

p/s : i just help u answer based on my experience only and since im online atm right after u post ...u better dont rely much on my answer. huhuhu...wait for those sifoo like yu jin, drew, or nezumitaro comes in to clarify on that.

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Thank you very much 'usermode' for your quick replied.
To question no.2, some user told me that spreading that 5 items(i dont know what to call them) under the ADA soil can free you from fertilizing your plant for approx. up to 9 years,
is that a true?
Another question is, if i use that 5 items w/o using Power Sand, is it kinda waste?

Sorry for the poor explanation.

LOL~!... that's what u meant huh... hehehe.. no la, actually that's a myth. 9 years no need to fertilize anything, mosses or anubias or perhaps some ferns might do it... but all these 3 dont need the base fert anyway.

but yes, it does helps you when like ...erm... you forgot to fertilize on that day, or perhaps you were out station, or you dun want to be binded with the dicipline to squirt the fert every morning...

take it like this, when the plant cant find the traces in the water column, at least they got another alternate source of "food" in your tank already. some plant (like the 3 above i mentioned earlier) dont have roots in the soil. but unlike those 3 above, some plants do still need fert... so their only source of food is in the water column which will be come from your liquid fert.

but on the other hand, those plant that have roots inside the soil, they will still looking for fert in the base with their roots. haiz....now so pusin pusing already...bleh~!

to make it simple, those 5 trace elements as your base fert is in the soil. the liquid fert is in your water column. if you;re a plant, you'll be more happier rite when u can get food from anywhere in the environment around you. from bottom, from above...when you;re happy, you sure will be good ma...in the plant case, they'll thrive better

psht.... im starting to BSing already.... ignore any part that arent contains any info...

Thank you very much bro, i understood more now.
Actually i have 5 of those elements, in dilemma want to use it or sell it, haha.
But after you explained it to me, i had made my decision.
WHO WANTS TO BUY THE 5 ELEMENTS, RM45 only, contents for 2 feet tanks, COD Subang area.

LOL~!!!!!!....

ok... i never thought that will be your end actions. hahaha...i thought you already use it and just didnt see any difference (yet) and you thought you've bought useless stuff. huhuhu...~!!

but as i mentioned, those really DOES gives a visible end result effects. anyway, good luck bro with your sales

This is my setup..

1. 3ft x 1.5ft x 1.5ft curved front corner tank with cabinet

2. ADA Amazonia 9L x 3 pack

3. ADA Power Sand M 6L

4. ADA 5 element at bottom of power sand

5. Eheim 2215 (open 24hours non stop, off during feeding)

6. Cooler Fan x 1 (on 1.5hour stop half hour during light, on 1.5hour stop 1 hour during offlight #wanna upgrade chiller liao sien with evaporating and the heat too much at my apartment here)

7. Lighting brand KATANA T5HO 4x39w (on 6hour between stop 1 hour because just starting)

8. 4.5kg CO2 tank + selenoid regulator (1bubble/Sec during LIGHT ON)

9. Airpump (On pump after light and co2 offmode)

10. ADA Green brighty Step 1 @1push & Brighty K @3push daily when light on.. when Change water 50%(still in new tank setup) 8push Brighty K & 2push step 1

11. Plant, forget all name, Glosso, 2 drift wood, 1 rock, design with no experiece at all, at lfs see wut like then buy back tanam that lolzzzz... like glosso only.. and recently saw one type like smaller than glosso, also ground plant.. dunno what name... maybe setup that time for my next tank..

12. Fish and shrimp... Shrimp are easy to die when new setup tank.. not so recommended unless the tank more stable, for example more than 1 month.... due to new setup tank... need to change 50% of water few time between 4day.. that day i change 50% water and replant & add plant.. the shrimp is die few... now stable back... tomolo gonna change 50%, wont wont die so fast... ready ICECUBE liao

How much is your setup altogether?Around RM2K?

@ ariesto, use the 5 elements, you would not regret..

The bacter 100 provides bacteria to flourish in the soil..

The Penac W improves overall water quality.

Penac P helps in terms of plant roots etc.

Clear Super improves water clarity

TOurmaline helps maintain bacteria population by 'shocking' them..

They have helped me have less headaches in the hobby over the years.. I wouldn't build a planted set-up without them..

I also dose them in my tank (direct into waterline every 3~5 months... fish and plants seems happier and more tahan compared to one of my holding tanks which doesnt use all that and only has ADA soil..

About the PowerSand, If you're like me , always changing a scape every half year or so.. rescaping like mad type. Get it. It helps stabilize your overall tank condition after every rescape.. compared to those that don't have powersand that is.. (rescaping as in, pull roots out etc. etc. empty tank water bla bla Full revamp la.) Not to say it can't be done without it but it makes life easier.. I wouldn't want to stress over my aquatics hobby.. It's a hobby!!! No stress please.

But then again, it's your choice.. good luck with your sales...

Regards
Drew

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Added on April 22, 2009, 12:45 amnot to sound arrogant but, DOn't pamper them LOL
We all went trough the stage, its also a necessity for many upcoming aquarists to go trough it too. They have to use it to believe it, and yes many would use it, and think they wasted money initially.. ADA goods to me are more of a long term investment..

Also not to lan C, some of us buy it in bottles lol.

I am soo... gonna get flamed by pinchy tomorrow LOL!!! peace

Drew

Didn't realize you're here too usermode, I thought your nick is familiar LOL.

This post has been edited by chuppy2: Apr 22 2009, 12:45 AM

From every single thing like tester, hose, timer plug, adapter those. it cost RM3100(total 3200 but include some magazine, spanar and screwdriver) like that.. i do count every single payment me and my bro made then jott down to the excel sheet kekeke..

Summore the co2 tank selenoid i bought it 2nd hand rm400

3.1k for a 3feet set-up? Not bad. LOL!!!

A picture would be great!

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Added on April 22, 2009, 1:16 amThough I'd get a bigger canister or another canister.. but that's just me 2217 would be perfect!

This post has been edited by chuppy2: Apr 22 2009, 01:16 AM

yeah its good for all stuff, but creativity for my noob mind wont do well in landscaping, the tank look weirdo, and i didnt follow any reference in book.. just see which plant nice then add then add, end up look funny hahahaha... not sure after 2 or 3 month will how.. front ground with glosso. i snap pics already but not so clear.. i upload it later

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Added on April 22, 2009, 1:22 amI also finding 2nd hand 2217 then i can use the output flow to Chiller, chiller output to tank... or maybe i add another faulty canister, then i use external pump rated around 1000L/H not sure this DIY will succed or not, or maybe buy one more another 2215 canister

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Added on April 22, 2009, 1:48 amHere is the latest pics.. look funny... the plant i bought got extra, i put it back to the holder cup and drop in to tank 1st.. see how next..



this the RCS with some egg inside...



This post has been edited by pioneer411: Apr 22 2009, 01:58 AM

Chuppy2, thank you very much to your advised.
Too bad i'm not really ready to jump into this hobby,
and maybe this is the reason why i'm not so willing to spend much money to make a complete setup.
Anyway, thank you again.

i google it, it really look like cendol lolz summore got soil look like gula melaka.. add up is cendol ice liao
ehhehehe

nice tank... when ur RCS beranak??... i'm interested...

u still can setup a low tech nano tank with a reasonable budget of 500 and below... i got mine started at approx rm150...

yea....i spent around rm150 for my 1.5ft tank...heheheheh.......but using holland sand with fert ball inside only.....planting cheap and strong plants....my shrimps are happy inside....now headache is algea only.....snails outbreak is pretty much controled...i sit down and catch snails everyday for few weeks...lol!!!

1) FYI, i nvr put those things/stuffs in my planted tank, as i dun have enough "M" power...
from ACT (malaysia ADA agent) website
meaning, if you put those power sand, it will create a better enviroment for bacteria growth...

2)From ACT website
Bacter 100
More than 100 different kinds of bacteria are inside Bacter 100 in a dormant state. Those bacteria form microorganism layer inside the substrate. To be applied at the bottom of the substrate at initial setup, or for restraining the growth of blue-green algae, sprinkle directly on the algae.
according to the statement, this product contain 100 different knd of bacterias, which improve the bacteria growth.
somehow they also mentioned can used for counter the BGA, i might try this...


Tourmaline BC
Tourmaline BC contains fine bamboo charcoal, absorbing organic pollutant substances, and mineral of tourmaline which improves the aquarium environment. It helps to improve the substrate environment by sprinkling at initial setup.
this product contain bamboo charcoal, which serve as asorbbing the pollutant substances only..

Clear Super
Clear Super contains highly refined activated carbon powder mixed with several nutrients promoting the growth of beneficial bacteria. When setting the aquarium, the work of bacteria is activated by spreading Clear Super at bottom of substrate layer with Bacter 100, and it helps to stabilize the substrate environment quickly.
again, contain carbon powder and several others nutrients promoting the growth of bacteria.

Penac W for Aquarium
Penac W helps to improve the substrate environment. Sprinkle powder of Penac W at very bottom of the substrate layer. Recommendable for advanced planted aquarium hobbyists.
the W is for water, so this product is mainly to provide stable water condition inside tank

Penac P for Plants
Penac P improves resisting power plant naturally have, and promotes healthy growth. It can also be used for horticulture or agriculture purpose.
P is for plant, which this product is to improve mostly the roots of the plants, and help it to grow more strong


So, based on my understanding on the info from ACT, i can say that the 5 element main purpose is to enhance the growth of bacteria, the stable the water, create better water condition for plants, and lastly to strengthen the resistibility of plants....


When u mentioned free from fertilizing, what do you understand of fertilizing?
those power sand and 5 elements will improve the things i mentioned above, yet introduction of fertilizer also need to depends on the type of plants, which some of them required high nutrient while some not...


Hopefully this can help u....
Try at ur own risk