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post Mar 8 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 8 2019, 04:27 PM)
In Exodus 20:3-6 God forbids making graven images for the purpose of idolatry but does not forbid the making of graven images per se. Elsewhere he commands that statues and other graven images be carved for religious purposes. The Catholic Church permits statues because they remind us of unseen things, but it condemns the idolatry of statue worship. Simple as that.
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It is the Catholic view that can look at both the commandment to have no other God besides him, and not ascribe divinity to graven images, but also shows that skillful adornment of images can also be put to use to bring more honour and glory to God with such statuary. This is why only the Catholic view does not have contradiction as most Protestants would have when it comes to this issue.

One thing to note that in Ezekiel 41:18-19 there is a mention of making statuaries of men:

18And it was made with cherubim and palm trees, a palm tree between cherub and cherub. Each cherub had two faces, 19so that the face of a man was toward a palm tree on one side, and the face of a young lion toward a palm tree on the other side; thus it was made throughout the temple all around.

There could be no pictures of Jesus in the Old Testament because Jesus had not yet revealed himself to his people. The Word did not become flesh until the New Covenant. In fact, the Word, Jesus, did become flesh (Jn 1:14). Even though Jesus existed from the beginning (Jn 1:1, 8:58), God’s people did not know Him as of yet. When He became flesh, the incarnation changed the whole world around in this area. Christ deigned to become man for our salvation. No image could be made of someone who is pure Spirit, but in the incarnation, Jesus became man, enabling us to have an image of Him. Hebrews 1:3 says: 'Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person'. Statues help us to bring to mind, and meditate on Jesus (and brings to our minds the reality of the incarnation) precisely because He became flesh for us. It also it brings to mind that Jesus intercedes now for us in heaven (Heb. 7:25). It is permissible for His followers to make images of Him to bring Him Glory. Catholics know that statues that reflect Christ's image, is not a god.

"We use all our senses to produce worthy images of Him, and we sanctify the noblest of the senses, which is that of sight. For just as words edify the ear, so also the image stimulates the eye. What the book is to the literate, the image is to the illiterate. Just as words speak to the ear, so the image speaks to the sight; it brings us understanding. For this reason God ordered the ark to be constructed of wood which would not decay, and to be gilded outside and in, and for the tablets to be placed inside, with Aaron’s staff and the golden urn containing the manna, in order to provide a remembrance of the past, and an image of the future. Who can say that these were not images, heralds sounding from far off? They were not placed aside in the meeting-tent, but were brought forth in the sight of all the people, who gazed upon them and used them to offer praise and worship to God. Obviously they were not adored for their own sake, but through them the people were led to remember the wonders of old and to worship God, the worker of wonders. They were images serving as memorials; they were not divine, but led to the remembrance of divine power." -- St John Damascene

The Manicheans, who battled St. Augustine on some issues, taught that matter was bad, and that grace and good could not come out of material things. As the Word became Flesh, he took upon matter. And it was good. The Protestant too often sees material things as bad, and that is why they refer to the Catholic way of using material means to reflect God as idolatrous. That in part explains the rejection of many Protestants of things such as water being a means of grace through baptism, and the rejection of the Eucharist as the true presence of Christ. This view of material as ‘bad’ and ‘Spiritual’ as good unfortunately gives a stilted view of how God works in the world.
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something to remember, in light of recent events ... Ad majoram Dei gloriam!



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post Apr 2 2019, 06:51 PM

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Any Chinese Catholic here? I'm a banana, would like to learn about Chinese Catholic prayers such as Grace before and after Meals. I tried searching online, it's not as simple as searching rosary prayers in Chinese language. Any help will be appreciated.
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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Apr 2 2019, 06:51 PM)
Any Chinese Catholic here? I'm a banana, would like to learn about Chinese Catholic prayers such as Grace before and after Meals. I tried searching online, it's not as simple as searching rosary prayers in Chinese language. Any help will be appreciated.
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Some URL Links:-

www.catholicworld.info : General Information

Catholic Prayers : Chinese to English and English to Chinese

Mandarin Chinese Rosary Prayers

Traditional Catholic Prayers: Chinese to English and English to Chinese



... The Lord's Prayer, also have other prayers available under this channel



... 'Glory Be' Prayer, other prayers also available under this channel plus info about faith

Google has lots of resources ... Cheers and God Bless!

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post Apr 9 2019, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(thomasthai @ Apr 6 2019, 05:52 AM)
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So many heresies typical to classical Protestantism and its spawns. Just a reminder, Catholic Christianity does not teach that you can earn your salvation through your own works, but you can only do so with the grace of God.
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post Apr 10 2019, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(khool @ Apr 3 2019, 08:06 AM)
Some URL Links:-

www.catholicworld.info : General Information

Catholic Prayers : Chinese to English and English to Chinese

Mandarin Chinese Rosary Prayers

Traditional Catholic Prayers: Chinese to English and English to Chinese


... The Lord's Prayer, also have other prayers available under this channel

... 'Glory Be' Prayer, other prayers also available under this channel plus info about faith

Google has lots of resources ... Cheers and God Bless!
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Amazing stuff.. banana here too... might attend a Mandarin Mass and see how it goes!

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QUOTE(smallbug @ Apr 10 2019, 09:52 PM)
Amazing stuff.. banana here too... might attend a Mandarin Mass and see how it goes!

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Eeekkk!!! ... all banana Catholics here arrrr?!

I attended Mandarin Mass before, can follow because of universal nature of Catholic Church Order of Mass established. Lucky don't look like so blurr case ... but still needed the wife to translate the homily ... Wahahahaha!!!

God bless and have blessed Holy Week ahead you all! biggrin.gif
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post Apr 15 2019, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(khool @ Apr 12 2019, 12:19 PM)
Eeekkk!!! ... all banana Catholics here arrrr?! 

I attended Mandarin Mass before, can follow because of universal nature of Catholic Church Order of Mass established. Lucky don't look like so blurr case ... but still needed the wife to translate the homily ... Wahahahaha!!!

God bless and have blessed Holy Week ahead you all! biggrin.gif
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So true brother. Went to attend mass at the vatican once. All in Italian. I had my own mass in English ( whisper to my self ).


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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Apr 15 2019, 10:03 AM)
So true brother. Went to attend mass at the vatican once. All in Italian. I had my own mass in English ( whisper to my self ).
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St Peter's or Sistine Chapel? I was there once too, waay back in the 80s when I was a child, hope to go again once more.

Was the mass really conducted in Italian or Latin? This would be interesting as I always wondered what languages are considered vernacular in Vatican city(?)

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QUOTE(khool @ Apr 15 2019, 10:23 AM)
St Peter's or Sistine Chapel? I was there once too, waay back in the 80s when I was a child, hope to go again once more.

Was the mass really conducted in Italian or Latin? This would be interesting as I always wondered what languages are considered vernacular in Vatican city(?)
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Went to St. Peter's. It was definately Italian. Some of the words I can understand. Went and took the host as well. It was an uplifting experience.
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QUOTE(Hades76 @ Apr 15 2019, 10:27 AM)
Went to St. Peter's. It was definately Italian. Some of the words I can understand. Went and took the host as well. It was an uplifting experience.
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Amen! I find that every Mass we participate in is always an uplifting experience, as the Eucharist is the source and summit of our Christian Life (CCC 1324) GBU! biggrin.gif

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post Apr 18 2019, 04:13 PM

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WHAT A SAINT IS

GOD wanted from all eternity to make us one with Himself. That is why He created us. He wanted not merely to be our Creator, but our Father, giving us the title and the right to say to Him, “Our Father, who art in Heaven.”

Jesus, the Eternal Son of God, who became man, prays for us — after we receive sanctifying grace which divinizes our souls, and after we receive the Holy Eucharist which makes us concorporeal with Jesus — that we “may be one, as Thou Father in Me and I in Thee.” (John 17:21) Holy Communion makes us concorporeal with God-made-man. After receiving It we are one body, one life, one breath, one heartbeat with Jesus.

No one who reads the Bible, God’s book, can fail to see that the whole purpose of creation by God was the divinization of those whom He had created. Our time is to be eternity. Our life is to be everlasting. Our happiness is to be that which God has in being God. In all the prayers of the Catholic Church, one of the most constant utterances is per omnia saecula saeculorum, which means forever and ever.

A saint is a created being who has corresponded completely with God’s intention of divinizing him and making him holy. The word saint comes from the word sanctus in Latin, which means holy. The term sanctifying grace means the divine favor by which God elevates a created being to His own state of holiness, and shares with him the everlasting glory of being God’s own by adoption.

The Communion of Saints is the greatest brotherhood or sisterhood that there ever could be in creation. It is the union of all those who have been sanctified by God. The word saint , used in its highest sense, means someone already in the Beatific Vision whose heroism and holiness, achieved on this earth, have been acknowledged and approved by the Roman Catholic Church. But in a simple and initial sense, anyone can be called a saint who is in the state of sanctifying grace. Saint Paul in his epistles refers to all early Christians living on earth as “the saints.” He does this over thirty times.

Our Lord’s beautiful way of letting everyone know that the early Christians were truly saints was when He said to Saint Paul, who was then called Saul, not “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou My followers?” but “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?”

The greatest of all expressions of Christian belief is the Apostles’ Creed. In the Apostles’ Creed there are twelve articles, each one of which was written by one of the Twelve Apostles. The ninth article of the Apostles’ Creed is the expression of belief that those who are in the state of sanctifying grace are saints, “the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints.” Those who die in the state of sanctifying grace, even when they go to Purgatory, are saints. Those who have been purged in Purgatory of all their offenses, and have gone to Heaven, are saints forever. Those who have been outstandingly holy in achieving this goal while on earth are saints in the highest sense.

There are, therefore, three states of sanctity applied to the saints by the Catholic Church. They are: the Church Militant (those who are or can be put in the state of sanctifying grace and are fighting to keep it as living members of the one, true Church); the Church Suffering (those who have died in the state of sanctifying grace and are being purged of their defects in Purgatory); and the Church Triumphant (those who have gone forever to see God and know God as God knows Himself, and are united to God in His eternity, in His infinity, in His glory and in His happiness, forever and ever.)

The word Communion when used in the term Holy Communion means that in our flesh and blood we are made participators of the Body and Blood of Jesus. So intense is this unity in what is called Holy Communion that, after having received it, any Catholic is entitled to say along with Saint Paul, “And I live, now not I; but Christ liveth in me.” (Gal. 2:20)

God wanted from all eternity to make us one with Himself. That is why He created us. He wanted to be not merely our Creator, but our Father. He wanted to give us the title and right to say with the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, God the Son, when we speak to God the Father, “Our Father, who are in Heaven.” God the Creator becomes God our Father.

Every little Christian child who has been baptized and who has died before reaching the age of reason — before the age where he can commit any willful mortal sin, or fail to confess the one, true Faith to which by Baptism he belongs — goes immediately to the Beatific Vision. He, or she, is a little saint by sheer grace. There are millions of such baptized infants in Heaven, and they can be prayed to, and they pray for us.

Anyone who wants to be a saint can become one. Our Lord’s challenge in this invitation is most beautiful and clear and definite. “Ask, and it shall be given you: seek, and you shall find: knock, and it shall be opened to you.” (Matt. 7:7)

Those who are meek, who are mourning for holiness, who are hungry and thirsty for what God wants to give them, who are admittedly poor in spirit — shall possess the land, and shall be comforted, and shall have their fill, and theirs shall be the kingdom of Heaven. Those who want to be saints shall receive God’s mercy. They shall see God, shall be called the children of God and shall possess the kingdom of Heaven, if their own sanctification is their first goal and if they want to be saints. They are the salt of the earth. They are the light of the world.

Everyone in the world is called to be a saint. Those who are not Catholics are called to become Catholics. “Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” (Mark 16:15, 16) Everyone who is in the Catholic Church is called to be a good Catholic, or to come back to the state of sanctifying grace through the Sacrament of Penance if he has lost it by sin. Every Catholic in the state of sanctifying grace is called to be holier and holier, so holy that the Church can declare him, or her, a saint.

Anyone who wants to be a saint can become one. Our Lord’s challenge in this invitation is most beautiful and clear and definite. Ours shall be the kingdom of Heaven. We shall possess the land. We shall be comforted. We shall have our fill. All we need to be is meek, and longing with tears for what is to come, and hungry and thirsty for what God has to give us. We are called to be the salt of the earth. God wants us, and will make us the light of the world. That is, if our aim is to be a saint.


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